Post-Game Talk: Islanders at Rangers 12/20/2013

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It's important. There's kind of this thing called a salary cap.


Its insane. Every post is salary salary salary. Enough already. What player on this piece or **** team IS earning their salary? Stop *****ing about Hank, this team has been destroyed and everything that Torts built here went down the drain. If you think Hank is a top 5 problem on this team then you are disturbed
 
Its insane. Every post is salary salary salary. Enough already. What player on this piece or **** team IS earning their salary? Stop *****ing about Hank, this team has been destroyed and everything that Torts built here went down the drain. If you think Hank is a top 5 problem on this team then you are disturbed

He's become the main the impetus of the problems. As long as Hank is here making alot of money, Sather will be Sathering. By committing so much to Lundqvist, we've committed to the model that produced this mess.

Building goalie-first doesn't work. It's produced the team we see now.
 
He's become the main the impetus of the problems. As long as Hank is here making alot of money, Sather will be Sathering. By committing so much to Lundqvist, we've committed to the model that produced this mess.

Building goalie-first doesn't work. It's produced the team we see now.


This team will never ever ever tank. Youre wrong
 
It's important. There's kind of this thing called a salary cap.

Did you have the same qualms with his current deal? Because his current contract was 12% of the cap when it kicked in, and his new deal is 12% of what the cap is projected to be next season.

Term I can understand, but they basically gave him the same deal he got before.
 
They don't need to tank to build a foundation based on forward and defense, which is the model for success in today's league. It's not Hank's fault, but building around a goalie is futile.

But its too late. You keep talking about his salary as if its the main reason the team is like this. Why do you keep doing it? Its crazy dude and it makes no sense. This team is just bad
 
Did you have the same qualms with his current deal? Because his current contract was 12% of the cap when it kicked in, and his new deal is 12% of what the cap is projected to be next season.

Term I can understand, but they basically gave him the same deal he got before.

The salary is annoying right now because he's not playing well, but he can turn it around and that hasn't even kicked in yet so it isn't the worst part by any means.

The term of the contract and whole philosophy of building around Lundqvist is the problem long-term. It hasn't worked, it's not going to work.
 
He's become the main the impetus of the problems. As long as Hank is here making alot of money, Sather will be Sathering. By committing so much to Lundqvist, we've committed to the model that produced this mess.

Building goalie-first doesn't work. It's produced the team we see now.

The hank fan club can't see your point. I and some others here do. Look at the Blackhawks and the Bs. That's how you build a winning TEAM. The hank fan club here only wants to see hank do well not the team. They think the vezzz is everything whereas we think the Cup is everything.
 
They don't need to tank to build a foundation based on forward and defense, which is the model for success in today's league. It's not Hank's fault, but building around a goalie is futile.

I don't understand why this concept is so difficult for people to understand. Look at the standings this season. Are any of the top teams in the league built around a superstar goalie?
 
The hank fan club can't see your point. I and some others here do. Look at the Blackhawks and the Bs. That's how you build a winning TEAM. The hank fan club here only wants to see hank do well not the team. They think the vezzz is everything whereas we think the Cup is everything.


Do we have our own Toews and Kane? Hossa and Sharp?
 
The hank fan club can't see your point. I and some others here do. Look at the Blackhawks and the Bs. That's how you build a winning TEAM. The hank fan club here only wants to see hank do well not the team. They think the vezzz is everything whereas we think the Cup is everything.

Funny thing about the Bruins is that people use them as an example of building from the net out and conveniently forget that they went to the finals with two different starters :laugh:
 
He's become the main the impetus of the problems. As long as Hank is here making alot of money, Sather will be Sathering. By committing so much to Lundqvist, we've committed to the model that produced this mess.

Building goalie-first doesn't work. It's produced the team we see now.

Should have ditched Cashqvist five years ago, when he signed the contract he was on now. His cap hit as percentage of the team's salary cap was just as hight then as it will be next year, and the Rangers could have started a true rebuild.

Re-signing Hank then, and keeping Jagr and signing a bunch of Euro free agents after the lockout instead of tanking were just as bad for the franchise in the long run as signing Redden, Gomez, Drury, etc.
 
Do we have our own Toews and Kane? Hossa and Sharp?

Nobody has that and that's why the Hawks will be IMO an all-time great dynasty when all is said and done.

But like a poster above me mentioned, look at the top of the standings and count the teams with elite goalies.
 
Well, yeah. BUT, Clutterbuck doesn't score if:
1. the Garden ice is professional quality (puck doesn't bounce over McDonagh's stick - McD didn't misplay it, it just bounced.)
2. the refs realize McDonagh made a helluva play.
3. Hank stops a 4th line scrub on a weak penalty shot.

Grabner scores.

Rangers score how many? That's right 3. THREE. Score 3-1.

If Hank is Hank, he doesn't become Mr. Softee on Strait's shot.

Even if he lets Vanek's deflection in, it's a 3-2 game.

Ranger win, even if everyone had a bad game. Enough of those wins give a team a bit of confidence and they start playing better.

Not to be a too critical, but it seems a little asinine to believe the game would've played the same way if Lundqvist made that save. You could take a save he made and apply the same logic to say he kept us in it. Firstly, not every clean shot the beats a goalie is a soft goal. That's a ridiculous expectation that guys who work on shooting a puck for their living will not score cleanly unless the goalie misplays it. Secondly, if everyone else has a bad game, we don't score three, and Lundqvist doesn't win it for us, because he's not scoring. I don't want to jump into the Lundqvist good or bad debate because I don't see it getting anywhere, but I do feel a need to deter people from blaming losses on Lundqvist, when he is not the player to ***** about. The guy should play better, but he can certainly be worse. We all talk about the Strait goal, does anybody remember Girardi's giveaway to Tavares in the slot. Ya know, when Lundqvist bailed the team out and robbed Tavares pointblank twice? What's the storyline if Hank doesn't stop that?
 
In fact, you can argue that the Rangers would have been better off long-term if Lundqvist had never played a game for them, as Sather would have been fired by now without King Henrik saving his posterior for the past eight years.
 
Nobody has that and that's why the Hawks will be IMO an all-time great dynasty when all is said and done.

But like a poster above me mentioned, look at the top of the standings and count the teams with elite goalies.

It's also another example of how badly the game has passed Sather by.
 
That's the thing that bugs me..why's he untouchable and everyone else is? If we the blow the team up, wouldn't he be the best trade piece if he is as good as you think.

And I agree but that ship has sailed. I would of thought about trading him atleast entertain offers
 
I don't understand why this concept is so difficult for people to understand. Look at the standings this season. Are any of the top teams in the league built around a superstar goalie?

Off the top of my head, LA-Quick, BOS-Rask, arguably SJ-Niemi; Montreal built around Price, they're 4th in the East, Vancouver built around Luongo.

Not every team can be Chicago, they're a ******* powerhouse.
 

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