Post-Game Talk: Islanders at Rangers 12/20/2013

[Raspewtin]

Hank does not look like himself, but how is that shot a given with one Ranger in the slot and an Islander just on top of him as the puck gets there? And he still almost had it, I thought it was harder than what was being made of it. That Islander was unchecked right infront of the net.

He saw the shot the whole way.....he even tried to glove it. Matt Martin was right on top of him but that's still no excuse, he should've had that.

 

[Bluenote13]

He saw the shot the whole way.....he even tried to glove it. Matt Martin was right on top of him but that's still no excuse, he should've had that.

He should have had it cause he's Hank, but NHL goalies give up these kind of goals all the time. Having a guy coming down on you while your guy in the slot is trying to block as a low point man BLASTS away is not as easy as you think. It happens, just in this instance it happened at the worst possible time, in a game that fans take too much to heart.

Like I said, he's not playing like we know he can, I feel like its being over magnified.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Lundqvist can sit the next two to be honest. We can't deal with any more of his subpar play at this point.

This team isn't a cup contender. Let your franchised player play and lose and get a high pick or let him figure it out on the ice.

We suck this year, it happens we need to come to terms and think about the future not the present bc this is a lost season. unfortunately none of us are involved in decision making and the guy who is involved in the decisions is one of the worst GM's in the league

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

30 games, 300 games, 300,000,000 games. It doesn't matter. A goaltender is not worth 8.5 a year. I don't care if it's Jesus H. Christ. It's the nature of the position.

Explain more. Explain within the frame of this team too. Really it doesn't even matter. So many teams are well below the cap when they win it all. So who cares? We gave an extra what 2 mil per year than we should have. 2 mil should never be the difference bt a cup or not.

Can some1 pull up a record of how much cap room each of the cup winners in the cap era have had? Point is I seriously doubt every cup winner has to be within 1 or 2 million of the cap limit so it doesn't matter if we gave Hank this contract.

http://www.silveroakcasino.com/blog...anley-cup-champion-in-the-salary-cap-era.html

first chicago 53,377,827
56,800,000 cap

Not sure if this site works. it seems to have the pens at 59 when the cap was 56. maybe it doesnt properly look at trade impacts on hits and whatnot

 

[aufheben]

Explain more. Explain within the frame of this team too. Really it doesn't even matter. So many teams are well below the cap when they win it all. So who cares? We gave an extra what 2 mil per year than we should have. 2 mil should never be the difference bt a cup or not.

Can some1 pull up a record of how much cap room each of the cup winners in the cap era have had? Point is I seriously doubt every cup winner has to be within 1 or 2 million of the cap limit so it doesn't matter if we gave Hank this contract.

Chicago had $2.8M I think. LA had spare change, Boston was up there but they had Savard on LTIR. 2010 Hawks had like $1M.

I think the larger issue is that the Rangers are paying guys to fill in roles that should already be covered by kids on ELC's. Powe, Asham, Pyatt, Pouliot, D. Moore. Half of LA's forwards were under $1M when they won the Cup. The Rangers right now have 2 forwards making under $1M, and not by much: Kreider and Miller both make like $800k; Miller is in and out of the lineup. Pyatt's contract alone could pay for an entire 4th line of homegrown grinders.

 

[sickboy35]

Totally off subject, but watching The Winter Classic and damn do i miss that team! Actually proud to be a Ranger fan now just hang my head.

 

[ugrimugri*]

Chicago had $2.8M I think. LA had spare change, Boston was up there but they had Savard on LTIR. 2010 Hawks had like $1M.

I think the larger issue is that the Rangers are paying guys to fill in roles that should already be covered by kids on ELC's. Powe, Asham, Pyatt, Pouliot, D. Moore. Half of LA's forwards were under $1M when they won the Cup. The Rangers right now have 2 forwards making under $1M, and not by much: Kreider and Miller both make like $800k; Miller is in and out of the lineup. Pyatt's contract alone could pay for an entire 4th line of homegrown grinders.

Chicago has had success recruiting undrafted European goalies for about 1/10 of hank's contract and they pretty much dominate the league.

Niemi, now Raanta, ...you can pretty much find a no-name, but good enough and hot european goalie for less than 1 million every year - and since NYR throws that 59,5/7 at hank while he really playes like ****, NYR deservedly will be struggling for the next 7 years as well...

 

[jniklast]

Chicago has had success recruiting undrafted European goalies for about 1/10 of hank's contract and they pretty much dominate the league.
Niemi, now Raanta, ...you can pretty much find a no-name, but good enough and hot european goalie for less than 1 million every year - and if you use that money to throw at hank while he was really playing like ****, you will deservedly be struggling for the next 7 years as well

Question: who do you want to give the ~7M we'd save to?

 

[ugrimugri*]

Question: who do you want to give the ~7M we'd save to?

You mean 7 million every year 2014/2015 - 2020/2021: I can't tell you any names and contracts since we are still living in 2013 and many of those beneficiaries are still about 14-16 years old, so it's too hard to tell

 

[mike14]

Question: who do you want to give the ~7M we'd save to?

Answer (even though the question wasn't posed to me): right now, no-one. There is no need to spend to the cap every year (even though the Rangers always will for some reason), keep the cap space and grow a team, then use it either to sign the correct, complimentary FA who can push you over the top or to acquire that player in a trade.

If the Rangers spending for the year was $60m instead of $64m (basically take our Brassard and replace him with a league minimum guy) how much worse could the really be?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Some players looked okay, most players looked like garbage. Fin.

You're welcome.

This.

Like RangersHank said, I think the only guys were Boyle, Dorsett, and maybe Kreider. There rest were so bad.

 

[jniklast]

Answer (even though the question wasn't posed to me): right now, no-one. There is no need to spend to the cap every year (even though the Rangers always will for some reason), keep the cap space and grow a team, then use it either to sign the correct, complimentary FA who can push you over the top or to acquire that player in a trade.

If the Rangers spending for the year was $60m instead of $64m (basically take our Brassard and replace him with a league minimum guy) how much worse could the really be?

And how high are the chances that said "complementary FA" (because high profile signings have worked so well in the past) or acquired player (like the great 7.8 million Nash) even remotely offsets the difference between a world class goalie like Lundqvist and some arbitrary European signing?

Just because the Hawks, who have a complete team, can get away with it for the most time doesn't mean it doesn't matter who's in goal. Two of the last three Conn Smythe winners were goaltenders, do you really think some random goalie has a better chance of putting in a Thomas or Quick performance than Lundqvist? There isn't just one way to build a team. And as long as there is no one we really need a few extra millions of cap space for, there is absolutely no reason to let your best player of the past 7 years go because of that.

Oh and by the way for all Hawks lovers: they spent 6M of cap space on their goalies in 2010 and could still win the cup.

 

[jniklast]

You mean 7 million every year 2014/2015 - 2020/2021: I can't tell you any names and contracts since we are still living in 2013 and many of those beneficiaries are still about 14-16 years old, so it's too hard to tell

So you say that in 2020 we won't be able to give our 21 year old superstar his 7M payrise because of Lundqvist?

 

[Bardof425*]

I agree that Hank has been sub-par this season, but the sensationalism going on is insane. I begin to wonder if elite play for 7 seasons is actually outweighed by half a season of medicore play.

Also, I don't think his next contract kicks in until next season, does it?

Was at the game. It appeared that the Isles had six great scoring chances. 4 went in, Grabner hit the post and Hank stone Tavares after the Girardi giveaway. Not even close to good enough at any price.

 

[Bardof425*]

I wasnt able to join the guys and gals for tonight's game, but i watched the replay. The constant thing that ive been noticing over several games is the Turnovers and lack of defense. When i am here for a game ill constantly point out that there are way to many TURNOVERS.....2 breakways tonight killed us. You take those 2 away we win 3-2 or 4-2 if we get an empty netter...the defense is getting burned like burnt toast...which is leading to goals and or penalties committed. Now we want our goalie to make saves but its unreasonable to think that he is gonna make every save especially like tonight where you give up two breakaways...Defense is horrid. And is killing us....for the reasons stated above.

Most penalty shots are stopped by the goalie. Why is it unreasonable? Clutterbuck? Stop. Puck was bouncing and it hurt us on the PP.

 

[Bardof425*]

Company holiday party last night, so I only saw the highlights. Well, "highlights" but to me those goals were.... penalty shot, breakaway, and two deflections right from the top of the crease.

Will the real New York Rangers defense please stand up?

If anyone wants to recap the game, tell me how some players looked, I'd be eternally grateful.

McD had an off night (must have the flu or something)
MDZ is impossible to watch; so tentative and unproductive
Nash was complete garbage; turnover after turnover; refuses to pass the puck
Hank was below mediocre. One softy and two others through him; Isles had almost no pressure except for goals
Richards dogged it; giving up on plays
Boyle Moore Dorsett was best line; honest effort
Not tough enough; Boulton, Martin and Carkner running around with no response
No "normal" goals for Isles. Two short handed breakaways, Two PP goals (one 5 on 3) and an empty netter.
Isles suck and still beat us; very sad
We basically shut Tavares down except for one giveway by Girardi and they still score 5.
Blow it up!

 

[aufheben]

Chicago has had success recruiting undrafted European goalies for about 1/10 of hank's contract and they pretty much dominate the league.

Niemi, now Raanta, ...you can pretty much find a no-name, but good enough and hot european goalie for less than 1 million every year - and since NYR throws that 59,5/7 at hank while he really playes like ****, NYR deservedly will be struggling for the next 7 years as well...

The Blackhawks are a powerhouse, they're not the rule. There's more than one blueprint to win a Cup, but what is universal is you need Bottom-6 players on ELC's who can contribute. The Rangers have zero.


The inability to produce a homegrown, cheap Bottom-6, and subsequently over spending on the bottom 2 lines, is to me more alarming than having the most expensive goalie in the league. I'd rather over spend on a franchise goalie than overpay for useless Bottom-6 forwards, which are the easiest position in the league to bring up on your own.

We're paying Pyatt $1.5M simply to fill a hole and not make mistakes. He literally is good for nothing, except he won't hurt your team. $1.5M may not seem like a lot, but it adds up when it becomes your GM's MO. This team can't find a player who's role is literally to not make mistakes for less than $1.5M?

 

[OverTheCap]

If Sather was capable of building an above average offense, perhaps the organization wouldn't have to lean so heavily on Hank and could have a Niemi/Crawford type as a goaltender instead. But the sad fact remains that Sather has yet to draft one elite forward in his tenure, and that's not Lundqvist's fault. Lundqvist has been the only consistent elite all-star player under Sather's reign so that's the way this team has to roll.

 

[mike14]

And how high are the chances that said "complementary FA" (because high profile signings have worked so well in the past) or acquired player (like the great 7.8 million Nash) even remotely offsets the difference between a world class goalie like Lundqvist and some arbitrary European signing?

Just because the Hawks, who have a complete team, can get away with it for the most time doesn't mean it doesn't matter who's in goal. Two of the last three Conn Smythe winners were goaltenders, do you really think some random goalie has a better chance of putting in a Thomas or Quick performance than Lundqvist? There isn't just one way to build a team. And as long as there is no one we really need a few extra millions of cap space for, there is absolutely no reason to let your best player of the past 7 years go because of that.

Oh and by the way for all Hawks lovers: they spent 6M of cap space on their goalies in 2010 and could still win the cup.

I have no idea what most of this has to do with my hypothetical "if we had $7m spare we don't have to spend it" post, but for the most part i agree with you

 

[augiespanoramas]

Hey guys, I'm new to this site so forgive me if this is our of place. But I went to yesterday's game at MSG and took this panorama from my seats. I wanted to share it with everyone on here. Hope you like it!

 

[aufheben]

Hey guys, I'm new to this site so forgive me if this is our of place. But I went to yesterday's game at MSG and took this panorama from my seats. I wanted to share it with everyone on here. Hope you like it!

Angle looks off by about 5 degrees.










Just kidding, very nice.

 

[Raspewtin]

Hey guys, I'm new to this site so forgive me if this is our of place. But I went to yesterday's game at MSG and took this panorama from my seats. I wanted to share it with everyone on here. Hope you like it!

That's a great picture, thanks for sharing!

Crowd sounded electric on TV, was it irl?

 

[Raspewtin]

This.

Like RangersHank said, I think the only guys were Boyle, Dorsett, and maybe Kreider. There rest were so bad.

I honestly thought Stepan + Zucc looked good, Nash seriously dragged them down. I can't believe it's come to that, Nash made his line significantly worse last night.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I liked Miller's game overall last night, and Poop has quietly had a nice stretch of effective games. Points in 4 of 5 for him.