Post-Game Talk: Islanders at Rangers 12/20/2013

[NCRanger]

Lundqvist has been a top goaltender in this league for 8 seasons. 30 crappy games and all of a sudden we should trade him/buy him out? That is beyond ridiculous.

The rest of the team sucks just as much, if not more, but nah it's all on Hank.

Had Hank been Hank, this is a win tonight that looks a lot better than it really is.

Probably about 4 or 5 games this year that you could say that about too.

That's conservatively 5 more wins.

Rangers are comfortably in 2nd place and we're not having these discussions about Hank.

Yes, we're still concerned with scoring, but it's not as dire as it is now.

 

[Dalagaze]

So let's trade him so we can get the most value..who would want our stiffs?

This isn't ESPN fantasy hockey. You don't trade your franchise player for a rough 30 games.

 

[McD27]

Had Hank been Hank, this is a win tonight that looks a lot better than it really is.

Probably about 4 or 5 games this year that you could say that about too.

That's conservatively 5 more wins.

Rangers are comfortably in 2nd place and we're not having these discussions about Hank.

Yes, we're still concerned with scoring, but it's not as dire as it is now.

Question is can hank be the old hank under AV's system? Maybe there's some truth to old hank was product of torts 6 goalie system

 

[Wolfy*]

Some whistle happy refs in this game, 14 penalties

Remember what AV said, Rangers players are not his style. I think AV will be replaced soon. Just can't understand why he signed here in the first place.

 

[Raspewtin]

Question is can hank be the old hank under AV's system? Maybe there's some truth to old hank was product of torts 6 goalie system

Multiple vez nominations under Renney.

Not a Torts product.

 

[NCRanger]

The team in front of him is absolute ****, I'm not denying that. It's just the whole idea that we're now tied up with a very expensive player when we should be blowing this thing up. Lundqvist would have made a great trade chip.

The extension is also indicative of Sather's insane delusion that we're a contending team. There's alot of disappointing factors here aside from his play. His play only piles on to a move I didn't like to begin with.

I'm no fan of the tank and blow it all up strategy, but if that was going to be the plan, not signing Hank and trading him at the deadline for pieces and picks would have been the play.

He's really the only blue-chip asset this team has that they could have lost and gotten something in return that wouldn't hurt them 5 to 6 years from now.

 

[Dalagaze]

Had Hank been Hank, this is a win tonight that looks a lot better than it really is.

Probably about 4 or 5 games this year that you could say that about too.

That's conservatively 5 more wins.

Rangers are comfortably in 2nd place and we're not having these discussions about Hank.

Yes, we're still concerned with scoring, but it's not as dire as it is now.

All of our defensemen played like crap. So did all of our forwards. That's a loss whether or not Hank is playing like Hasek.

 

[McD27]

This isn't ESPN fantasy hockey. You don't trade your franchise player for a rough 30 games.

True but I'm really starting to think that Hank was only a franchise player because of torts 6 goalie system and Renney's conservative system

 

[wingnutks]

Some whistle happy refs in this game, 14 penalties

Remember what AV said, Rangers players are not his style. I think AV will be replaced soon. Just can't understand why he signed here in the first place.

I think the refs ruined this game.

 

[Crazed Beaver]

It's a real eye opener when you consider how many of our players aren't playing up to their potential. Granted, there is much debate to the ceilings of many of our guys but former strengths are current weaknesses and that's on the coach IMO.

It's hard to get upset because this team lacks character and they aren't worth it.

 

[theFiGS]

True but I'm really starting to think that Hank was only a franchise player because of torts 6 goalie system and Renney's conservative system

With better offensive players infront of hank under a torts like system they can win the cup. I'm not a believer in trade hank or let him walk because he's having a bad year but they need to blow up the team infront of him and do a 2 year take job

 

[TheDave1022]

Why was nash playing in front of the net on the PP? I'm pretty sure he has a better shot vs him screening and trying to deflect. Push Krieder in front of the net on the first PP again.

 

[McD27]

Maybe team just needs time to adapt to AV. Torts seem to do fine in Vancouver.

I have to say I was one who hated torts system but now we can't seem to hold any leads.

 

[NCRanger]

Question is can hank be the old hank under AV's system? Maybe there's some truth to old hank was product of torts 6 goalie system

Except he's actually seeing far fewer shots than he has in years past. Statistically, the Rangers aren't all that terrible defensively. That's not saying they're really good either. And, as someone else said, Hank was very good playing under Renney's coaching.

There are more breakdowns than there were under Torts, but there's a lot less in the way of 5 on 5 power plays in the defensive end.

 

[Cassano]

True but I'm really starting to think that Hank was only a franchise player because of torts 6 goalie system and Renney's conservative system

You would think after proving to be elite under multiple coaches in the NHL, in Sweden and with the International team, that this stretch with Alain Vigneault is anomalous.

Sather had to give Lundqvist this contract because he knows that it's the only thing that'll save his behind from missing the playoffs. How else would he use that cap hit? Getting another Gomez/Nash type?

Sather is a smart man in essence that he's set for life. He'll get paid big money for minimal work put in. A dream job for many.

 

[RangerBoy]

As the great Michael Ray Richardson once said

"The ship be sinking"

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

Question is can hank be the old hank under AV's system? Maybe there's some truth to old hank was product of torts 6 goalie system

He was pretty damn good in Renney's system, too.

You've been bashing Lundqvist since you joined this forum. Kudos for making your agenda crystal clear to everyone.

 

[McD27]

With better offensive players infront of hank under a torts like system they can win the cup. I'm not a believer in trade hank or let him walk because he's having a bad year but they need to blow up the team infront of him and do a 2 year take job

That's the thing that bugs me..why's he untouchable and everyone else is? If we the blow the team up, wouldn't he be the best trade piece if he is as good as you think.

 

[CDiablo]

Beating the Hank horse more. He HAS to stop that 3rd goal. He could have made a highlight save on the other 3 but I dont think most fault him for those but the 3rd goal has to be stopped by an NHL goalie who wants to stay in the NHL.

 

[RangersHank*]

It has everything to do with an 8.5 caphit that my team has to shoulder and absolutely nothing to do with his wealth.

I guess we were all jealous of Gomez and Redden's wealth too...

All you keep doing is talking about salary, its insane.

 

[sark76]

Except he's actually seeing far fewer shots than he has in years past. Statistically, the Rangers aren't all that terrible defensively. That's not saying they're really good either. And, as someone else said, Hank was very good playing under Renney's coaching.

There are more breakdowns than there were under Torts, but there's a lot less in the way of 5 on 5 power plays in the defensive end.

agreed

 

[NCRanger]

All of our defensemen played like crap. So did all of our forwards. That's a loss whether or not Hank is playing like Hasek.

Well, yeah. BUT, Clutterbuck doesn't score if:
1. the Garden ice is professional quality (puck doesn't bounce over McDonagh's stick - McD didn't misplay it, it just bounced.)
2. the refs realize McDonagh made a helluva play.
3. Hank stops a 4th line scrub on a weak penalty shot.

Grabner scores.

Rangers score how many? That's right 3. THREE. Score 3-1.

If Hank is Hank, he doesn't become Mr. Softee on Strait's shot.

Even if he lets Vanek's deflection in, it's a 3-2 game.

Ranger win, even if everyone had a bad game. Enough of those wins give a team a bit of confidence and they start playing better.

 

[McD27]

He was pretty damn good in Renney's system, too.

You've been bashing Lundqvist since you joined this forum. Kudos for making your agenda crystal clear to everyone.

Sorry, I thought it was a team forum..didn't know I stepped into the Hank fan club..

 

[Machinehead]

All you keep doing is talking about salary, its insane.

It's important. There's kind of this thing called a salary cap.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

The way this season is going watch Richards get injured in April.

Then we can buy out Nash.