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BertCorbeau said:
Hard to like the team when they’ve played like they have after signing such lucrative contracts
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I hate this class warfare Marxist crap. They have rarefied skill.

You pay the players for what you project them to be, and not for cups won a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

They get paid more than an eye doctor who can reattach your retina, and those doctors are the best paid in Ontario. Hockey players get paid less than NBA players, because NBA players have skills that are more in demand.

On another note- I hate this nice guy stuff. You show me a professional athlete and I will show you an arrogant jerk with a stripper girlfriend in every port of call is not 100% true 100% of the time, but it is a lot true a lot of the time.

And I hate this nice guy stuff relating to lack of selfishness! I would love it if the teammates all were bitter because they should be the MVP. "I scored the most! I led the American Association of US Ice Hockey Teams in save percentage! I set the record for blocked shots in the AAUSIHT!" etc.

Finally, I want them to win the cup, I do not want to have a drink with them.
 
Commander Clueless said:
Nah, there was a solid decade in there where my hope levels were bottomed out....and for good reason!

Ironically enough, I enjoyed watching the games during the garbage-but-hardworking era. No expectations is a wonderful thing in hockey.
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Neilson's, Burns' and Quinn's teams were good to watch. Babs' team in year 2 gave me hope but they have slowly declined. Dubas needs to make a move to restore the faith of Leaf nation.
 
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Hide N Seek Champion said:
They are boring again this year. With there are this many games going on at once I pretty much just check the score.
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If you're just checking the score and not watching the game, then you can't give an informed opinion of the game and know how they're doing. You can see the score and the standings and listen to the media, but is that really following the Leafs?
 
I lean on not liking them. Though I do blame Dubas for giving in and paying out all this money. I see a situation of a group of players (who are payed too much, not including Tarvares here) and the rest of the team that may cause tension and obviously causes imbalance from the first 2 lines and the rest of the team. . IMO Marner should have been traded, that 10m could have been used elsewhere to make this team tougher and better defensively and I doubt the offensive loss would not have been that bad compared to what could have been brought in.

I do not like Matthews, I do like his skill though. I just think he afraid to take the body (as he is a big guy) because of his previous shoulder injuries, and well not fond of people who harass women by dropping their pants.

Do not like Babcock, now I do believe this team was made to just be a soft offence only team which goes against his couching style but I really do not like his use of the goalies in back to back games.

Do not like Dubas, his team building is flawed imo and cant seem to manage contract negotiations.
 
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Love Matthews, Soupy, Timashov, Moore, Rielly, JT. Last year loved Marner, since the contract holdout, can’t stand him. Marincin has got to be in the top tier of worst players to ever wear a Leafs jersey. Never hated a Leaf coach in my life, even thou we had some bad ones, until this overrated arrogant clown that we have now.
 
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HamiltonNHL said:
I'd love to have him on my team.

He's a big part of the winning culture in Boston.

And he's hilarious
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I can’t say I like the make-up of this team. Like Tampa, they seem too free-wheeling and soft. They could use an agitator type player like Marchand. I actually miss Kadri for that reason. I don’t miss his dumb penalties and suspensions, but then Marchand had the same temper issues earlier in his career. But when Kadri was on his game he provided that grit that the Leafs seem to be missing. And he could really piss off opposing players and get them off their game and he had enough talent to contribute offensively. Could he have matured into a more consistent agitator type of player? Maybe. Moot point cause even if the Leafs had wanted to give him another chance I don’t think there was cap room.
 
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Comparing this team 90s and early 2000s where we had guys like Clarke, Gilmour, Sundin, Roberts, Domi, Tucker etc. These guys all had heart and never cheated effort even though they never won it all. I have a hard time connecting to this new crop of leaf players, and I don't necessarily blame it on the era. Look at the heart and soul guys on Boston, St.Louis, Washington etc. They all have a blend of skill and grit and are so easy to cheer for if youre already aligned with that team. I don't feel a connection yet to these guys, maybe partly because it feels like they don't play for each other.
 
As a general hockey fan I think you need a new coach, it's clear the Babcock isn't the right fit for this team with the offensive talent, he's old school. You guys also went to all in with your forwards, 4 guys at $40 million is insane. Dubas needs to be re-evaluated as well, definitely need some toughness. He might be as bad as our idiot Bergevin in Montreal.
 
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I’m just gonna say it. I don’t like Matthews. I hate his friggin attention getting moustache and the stunt he pulled in Phoenix with the security guard was idiotic for a guy who had aspirations to wear the C. How can you not tell management that you are facing charges? Can you seriously imagine McDavid or Tavares doing that kind of sh-t?
Marner and Nylander may be soft and selfish but Matthews is supposed to be the franchise player and team leader and he is acting like a complete ass-clown.
 
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people loved the 2013 team, really? I get it, it was fun that leafs actually made the playoffs after a very long Time( I really enjoyed as fan too) , but that team sucked ass. They got outshot and outplayed mostly every game and only reason they made playoffs wasn't because the "toughness" it was because of goaltending. Reimer and scrivens saved that team from a potential lottery team. The team probably wouldn't have made in a 82 game season.

The expectations were also very low for that team, so it felt like a good underdog team story but at the end, the team wasn't that great.
 
TheBigFour said:
people loved the 2013 team, really? I get it, it was fun that leafs actually made the playoffs after a very long Time( I really enjoyed as fan too) , but that team sucked ass. They got outshot and outplayed mostly every game and only reason they made playoffs wasn't because the "toughness" it was because of goaltending. Reimer and scrivens saved that team from a potential lottery team. The team probably wouldn't have made in a 82 game season.

The expectations were also very low for that team, so it felt like a good underdog team story but at the end, the team wasn't that great.
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What? Lol. They were flying KGM line, 3 point per game players and tending. They were hot and getting it done. Outshot Corsi is all BS stats anyways. You lead early, you get outshot. They beat the snot out of Boston, it was game 7 it all went wrong somehow.
 
AreBe said:
I hate this class warfare Marxist crap. They have rarefied skill.

You pay the players for what you project them to be, and not for cups won a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

They get paid more than an eye doctor who can reattach your retina, and those doctors are the best paid in Ontario. Hockey players get paid less than NBA players, because NBA players have skills that are more in demand.

On another note- I hate this nice guy stuff. You show me a professional athlete and I will show you an arrogant jerk with a stripper girlfriend in every port of call is not 100% true 100% of the time, but it is a lot true a lot of the time.

And I hate this nice guy stuff relating to lack of selfishness! I would love it if the teammates all were bitter because they should be the MVP. "I scored the most! I led the American Association of US Ice Hockey Teams in save percentage! I set the record for blocked shots in the AAUSIHT!" etc.

Finally, I want them to win the cup, I do not want to have a drink with them.
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All complete nonsense. Nobody cares how much money they make. They care how much salary cap the occupy.

“Class warfare Marxist crap”....it’s called the salary cap and unfortunately we have to put up with it.
 
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AreBe said:
I hate this class warfare Marxist crap. They have rarefied skill.
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Actually comrade, Marxism is more apt description of successful hockey team than laissez faire capitalism. Team that forego individual selfishness in favour of collective (ie. team) system win far more often in hockey than team with bunch of selfish shitheadniks doing what they want. I’m afraid Wealth Of Nations not really apply here.
And is skill “rarified”, meaning high moral character? I don’t think so. It is rare. And given male compulsion to fork out silly sums of money to watch highly skilled hockey players, it is a valuable marketable commodity. But that commodity, regardless of its market value still need to work collectively and unselfishly to win cup. Just ask comrade Ovechkin!
 
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It's all about winning, you can still be a loyal fan even when team is not winning, but that does not mean that you like that team and keep on hoping for them to be better. You are never content unless you see them succeed

Am I fan of this team - absolutely but I do not like it when they keep on losing
 
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