Is the Golden Knights' problem Jack Eichel?

[Panthaz89]

Didn’t Krueger have a rep as a coach players liked? I’m pretty sure I read that about him

He can be a good person, Hockey terrorist doesn’t need to mean more than he’s a bad coach for the NHL lol. Though I’d assume Skinner doesn’t like him. He always seemed to have it out for Skinner


Also you won’t see many players go “our coach sucks so bad” openly for obvious reasons. Paul Maurice is another guy.


I’d be curious if there’s a story Eichel made the hiring decisions but otherwise I don’t see your point

There was pretty heavy speculation that led to the GM Eichel Jokes.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

There was pretty heavy speculation that led to the GM Eichel Jokes.

These jokes was about Bylsma.

 

[tsujimoto74]

These jokes was about Bylsma.

Yeah, about Bylsma getting canned and replaced by Krueger.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

but is this dude injury prone af?

Yeah, seems to be. Never completed a full season at Buffalo. Came off LTIR in Vegas and promptly broke his thumb. Was playing very well until December and then suffered a groin injury which of course really takes 6-8 weeks to fully heal even for a well-conditioned athlete.

Hard truth is that the Eichel Experiment is still playing out in Vegas. When Eichel does play, he hustles as hard as anybody including playing some pretty tough defense. Eichel's presence is usually good for at least one point per game directly or indirectly. It is certainly easier for the VGK to win when Eichel is on the ice.

At the same time, nobody knows whether Eichel will be healthy when they really need him in the playoffs, so the team seems to be concentrating on just winning whether he is there or not. If Eichel is healthy for the playoffs, it will be a nice bonus, but because of his chronic health issues, it doesn't seem like the team is counting on Eichel carrying the team on his shoulders in the playoffs ... or even being on the bench.

 

[Dirty Dog]

On the ice, he is an awesome player when healthy.

We can all disagree and speculate as to his locker room presence. But again, when healthy, he is a great player.

 

[bossram]

Yeah, seems to be. Never completed a full season at Buffalo. Came off LTIR in Vegas and promptly broke his thumb. Was playing very well until December and then suffered a groin injury which of course really takes 6-8 weeks to fully heal even for a well-conditioned athlete.

Hard truth is that the Eichel Experiment is still playing out in Vegas. When Eichel does play, he hustles as hard as anybody including playing some pretty tough defense. Eichel's presence is usually good for at least one point per game directly or indirectly. It is certainly easier for the VGK to win when Eichel is on the ice.

At the same time, nobody knows whether Eichel will be healthy when they really need him in the playoffs, so the team seems to be concentrating on just winning whether he is there or not. If Eichel is healthy for the playoffs, it will be a nice bonus, but because of his chronic health issues, it doesn't seem like the team is counting on Eichel carrying the team on his shoulders in the playoffs ... or even being on the bench.

I don't really see these as "chronic" health issues. They're all rather unrelated injuries. A broken thumb is pretty random. Anyone could take a slapshot off the hand and have a broken thumb. That's not at all related to a groin issue.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

I don't really see these as "chronic" health issues. They're all rather unrelated injuries. A broken thumb is pretty random. Anyone could take a slapshot off the hand and have a broken thumb. That's not at all related to a groin issue.

Agree, they are all unrelated, but the original post was that Eichel is injury prone. Which he is, albeit seems to be more bad luck than anything. Eichel has been in the league for a number of years, but has never completed a full season .... even if that has been due to widely varying and wholly unrelated injuries. Some athletes just have that particular brand of bad luck over their careers, and Eichel seems to be one of them.

 

[bossram]

Agree, they are all unrelated, but the original post was that Eichel is injury prone. Which he is, albeit seems to be more bad luck than anything. Eichel has been in the league for a number of years, but has never completed a full season .... even if that has been due to widely varying and wholly unrelated injuries. Some athletes just have that particular brand of bad luck over their careers, and Eichel seems to be one of them.

I wouldn't really equate bad luck with being "injury prone". Bad luck is bad luck.

If a guy kept having a recurring injury that is the same or similar as before, then yeah, I think there are legitimate injury prone concerns. That hasn't been the case with Eichel.

 

[Notsince67]

ARE the Golden Knights' problem Jack Eichel.

Technically the Golden Knights might be costrued as a team name and singular, thereby making "IS" appropriate.

That is why the Maple Leafs are not the Maple Leaves...because they were named after the Maple Leaf Regiment.

Perhaps a more clear question for the pedantic would have been...
"Is the Golden Knights team problem Jack Eichel?"

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Technically the Golden Knights might be costrued as a team name and singular, thereby making "IS" appropriate.

That is why the Maple Leafs are not the Maple Leaves...because they were named after the Maple Leaf Regiment.

Perhaps a more clear question for the pedantic would have been...
"Is the Golden Knights team problem Jack Eichel?"

Actually, Golden Knights is missing an apostrophe and is possessive. It's an adjective describing "problem." The real subject is "problem," which would make the use of "is" correct. It's actually correct in the title. I'm just trying to make a joke with my previous post.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I wouldn't really equate bad luck with being "injury prone". Bad luck is bad luck.

If a guy kept having a recurring injury that is the same or similar as before, then yeah, I think there are legitimate injury prone concerns. That hasn't been the case with Eichel.

That’s my usual thinking, but at a certain point you gotta wonder if a guy is just more susceptible to getting hurt. The thumb injury is a freak thing, but the severity and length of the others- could be random luck, but there’s certainly a Colliacovo curve forming.

I also tend to get hurt if I sneeze wrong- not an age thing, I try taking care of my body, but in the past I’d have random strains and pulled muscles. Obviously I’m far from a pro athlete, but just to give credence to the idea that some people are just more likely to get hurt- true for me, at least.

 

[dire wolf]

I wouldn't really equate bad luck with being "injury prone". Bad luck is bad luck.

If a guy kept having a recurring injury that is the same or similar as before, then yeah, I think there are legitimate injury prone concerns. That hasn't been the case with Eichel.

You can call it whatever you want. The fact is that the guy has missed a ton of time over the course of 8 seasons. To put it in perspective, Noah Hanifin was drafted the same year and has played 554 games, which is the most among 2015 draftees. Hanifin has missed a few games here and there due to injury, but has been generally healthy. Eichel has had the opportunity to play at least that many games, but has only played 436 games. In other words, he has missed at least 118 games compared to a healthy player, or roughly 1.5 full seasons so far. Or, if you prefer, he has missed 21.3% of games compared to Hanifin. Maybe it's bad luck, but it definitely impacts his value to his team.

 

[bossram]

That’s my usual thinking, but at a certain point you gotta wonder if a guy is just more susceptible to getting hurt. The thumb injury is a freak thing, but the severity and length of the others- could be random luck, but there’s certainly a Colliacovo curve forming.

I also tend to get hurt if I sneeze wrong- not an age thing, I try taking care of my body, but in the past I’d have random strains and pulled muscles. Obviously I’m far from a pro athlete, but just to give credence to the idea that some people are just more likely to get hurt- true for me, at least.

I mean, Eichel is a pro athlete. He's not getting hurt by sneezing. I think we can assume there is a baseline of care and prehab he does with his body.

I think some people are more "fragile", for lack of a better term. I don't think that's going on with Eichel. His first 5 seasons he played 89% of his possible games, which is reasonably healthy.

You can call it whatever you want. The fact is that the guy has missed a ton of time over the course of 8 seasons. To put it in perspective, Noah Hanifin was drafted the same year and has played 554 games, which is the most among 2015 draftees. Hanifin has missed a few games here and there due to injury, but has been generally healthy. Eichel has had the opportunity to play at least that many games, but has only played 436 games. In other words, he has missed at least 118 games compared to a healthy player, or roughly 1.5 full seasons so far. Or, if you prefer, he has missed 21.3% of games compared to Hanifin. Maybe it's bad luck, but it definitely impacts his value to his team.

Yeah, I'm not arguing that poor health has affected his value.

Whether it will continue is a different question. And you can only answer it if you think he's rather unlucky or particularly inury-prone for some reason.

 

[dire wolf]

I mean, Eichel is a pro athlete. He's not getting hurt by sneezing. I think we can assume there is a baseline of care and prehab he does with his body.

I think some people are more "fragile", for lack of a better term. I don't think that's going on with Eichel. His first 5 seasons he played 89% of his possible games, which is reasonably healthy.

Yeah, I'm not arguing that poor health has affected his value.

Whether it will continue is a different question. And you can only answer it if you think he's rather unlucky or particularly inury-prone for some reason.

Fair point. It's an interesting question. Are there many examples of players who suffered several injuries over many seasons early in their careers and then became consistently healthy later in their careers?

 

[bossram]

Fair point. It's an interesting question. Are there many examples of players who suffered several injuries over many seasons early in their careers and then became consistently healthy later in their careers?

I would say Crosby kinda fits that profile. He missed a lot of games earlier in his career, but from 13-14 to 18-19 he was really pretty healthy.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Fair point. It's an interesting question. Are there many examples of players who suffered several injuries over many seasons early in their careers and then became consistently healthy later in their careers?

Jeff Skinner? But that was just two seasons of injuries I suppose

 

[dire wolf]

Jeff Skinner?

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but Skinner has played 885 games by the age of 30, which is the most in his entire draft class. He hasn't missed that many games

 

[snag]

That’s my usual thinking, but at a certain point you gotta wonder if a guy is just more susceptible to getting hurt. The thumb injury is a freak thing, but the severity and length of the others- could be random luck, but there’s certainly a Colliacovo curve forming.

I also tend to get hurt if I sneeze wrong- not an age thing, I try taking care of my body, but in the past I’d have random strains and pulled muscles. Obviously I’m far from a pro athlete, but just to give credence to the idea that some people are just more likely to get hurt- true for me, at least.

You can keep taking your car to the mechanic, and you can really enjoy your car and it might do everything right when it works...but eventually you have to ask yourself, "did I buy a f***ing lemon?".

And yeah, some people are just not built the same as others.

 

[dire wolf]

I would say Crosby kinda fits that profile. He missed a lot of games earlier in his career, but from 13-14 to 18-19 he was really pretty healthy.

Yeah - sort of. That's a better example. He still didn't miss that many games repeatedly over 8 seasons. And even so, there don't seem to be a ton of examples.

 

[snag]

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but Skinner has played 885 games by the age of 30, which is the most in his entire draft class. He hasn't missed that many games

Taylor Hall is pounding on wood. 81 games last year and all 37 this year LOL

 

[Dirty Dog]

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but Skinner has played 885 games by the age of 30, which is the most in his entire draft class. He hasn't missed that many games

Ah, the “Jeff skinner is injury prone” narrative was strong here. It wasn’t so much the missed games, it was three separate concussions early in his career. And then he went on to have no injury issues

An example of someone who the pretty serious and repeat injury history, who became healthy.

Eichel’s injuries problems are way more reoccurring though

 

[snag]

Ah, the “Jeff skinner is injury prone” narrative was strong here. It wasn’t so much the missed games, it was three separate concussions early in his career. And then he went on to have no injury issues

Yeah, a concussion is unlike any injury out there. You can't condition against it and you can't surgery or rehab it away

 

[Seanaconda]

Yeah, a concussion is unlike any injury out there. You can't condition against it and you can't surgery or rehab it away

Wouldn't Crosby and his miss diagnosed neck thing they thought was a concussion be similar to Buffalo not letting eichel get the surgery he wanted

 

[snag]

Wouldn't Crosby and his miss diagnosed neck thing they thought was a concussion be similar to Buffalo not letting eichel get the surgery he wanted

No...I would say they were different. With Eichel they knew what the problem was but the organization wouldn't let him execute his right as a human being to take care of his body. They moreso viewed him as chattel.

Though of course.....both came as a result of the medical staff. Which are likely not comprised of in house specialists.

 

[Melrose Munch]

3 points in return. proved me wrong

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