Is the Golden Knights' problem Jack Eichel?

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No...I would say they were different. With Eichel they knew what the problem was but the organization wouldn't let him execute his right as a human being to take care of his body. They moreso viewed him as chattel.

Though of course.....both came as a result of the medical staff. Which are likely not comprised of in house specialists.
From what I understood it wasn't the organization, it was the insurance. They wouldn't cover his salary if Eichel got what was an experimental procedure. So of you want to blame the Buffalo organizers for not wanting to be on the hook for sixty million if something went wrong, then go ahead. But I don't blame the Sabres organization for doing what they did.
 
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Well anyway. Three points in his first game back. No he isn't the problem. Our lack of depth from chasing superstars is the problem.
Surveillance camera footage from Vegas head office the last few years.

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No...I would say they were different. With Eichel they knew what the problem was but the organization wouldn't let him execute his right as a human being to take care of his body. They moreso viewed him as chattel.

Though of course.....both came as a result of the medical staff. Which are likely not comprised of in house specialists.

Eichel was free to do whatever the hell he wanted. He just wasn't free to BOTH go against the team doctors' advice AND still get paid another $60M by the team afterward. And why should the Sabres be pressured to take that risk when Eichel had already made it clear he was never playing another game for the Sabres even if he was healthy enough to?
 
Will be interesting to see how Vegas plays now that they are back to being hamstrung by the locker room virus Jack Eichel. Could be ruining their own Tage Thompson right now.
 
Eichel was free to do whatever the hell he wanted. He just wasn't free to BOTH go against the team doctors' advice AND still get paid another $60M by the team afterward. And why should the Sabres be pressured to take that risk when Eichel had already made it clear he was never playing another game for the Sabres even if he was healthy enough to?

Sounds like someone’s doubling down on what Eichel AND Lehner called a garbage training staff just a bit too hard.

I don’t want to denigrate the Sabres any further than that, but as slave labour isn’t an edict in the NHL, butterknives hold more water than your point. I get that the relationship soured, but that technically began with Tim Murray - the GM that should have known not to start off on the wrong foot by saying how ‘bad he felt for the fanbase’ when they didn’t get rewarded for their tank with McDavid.

Nothing ill against the Sabres fan base outside of this, but some BUF fans would chase each other to the tub of cyanide kool-aid if an apologist for that era of the front office was serving drinks. But hey, let’s expect the guy who was a teenager at the time to bear the full weight of expectations AND front office mishandling. Nothing incongruent there.
 
Sounds like someone’s doubling down on what Eichel AND Lehner called a garbage training staff just a bit too hard.

I don’t want to denigrate the Sabres any further than that, but as slave labour isn’t an edict in the NHL, butterknives hold more water than your point. I get that the relationship soured, but that technically began with Tim Murray - the GM that should have known not to start off on the wrong foot by saying how ‘bad he felt for the fanbase’ when they didn’t get rewarded for their tank with McDavid.

Nothing ill against the Sabres fan base outside of this, but some BUF fans would chase each other to the tub of cyanide kool-aid if an apologist for that era of the front office was serving drinks. But hey, let’s expect the guy who was a teenager at the time to bear the full weight of expectations AND front office mishandling. Nothing incongruent there.

Funny how Lehner only had positive things to say about the team until like 3 years later when his buddy Jack started throwing a media tantrum.

The "relationship soured" because Eichel is a jackass. I've met 7-year-olds who act more emotionally mature than he does. (Huh hmph really? Yes, really.) He's an extraordinarily gifted athlete, but good riddance.
 
Funny how Lehner only had positive things to say about the team until like 3 years later when his buddy Jack started throwing a media tantrum.

The "relationship soured" because Eichel is a jackass. I've met 7-year-olds who act more emotionally mature than he does. (Huh hmph really? Yes, really.)

Hey, if you wanna keep shovelling former players (closer to team operations than either of us, I might add) under the bus, a pitchfork may be cleaner and less biased than the words you use, maybe?

Or we can keep holding teenagers responsible for poor choices made by the team that drafted them.

Just sayin’……levelling all the culpability of the Eichel/BUF debacle at the “kid getting drafted” is incongruent. At best.

Eichel is NOT blameless. But that GM/FO combo in place at that particular time needs a little more attention from those crosshairs of yours.

Admittedly they’ve done better since - and it’s good to see. But treating them as blameless and beyond reproach ages about as well as aspects of this thread. (Pretty sure I heard they changed over the training staff as well.)
 
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Hey, if you wanna keep shovelling former players (closer to team operations than either of us, I might add) under the bus, a pitchfork may be cleaner and less biased that the words you use, maybe?

Or we can keep holding teenagers responsible for poor choices made by the team that drafted them.

Just sayin’……levelling all the culpability of the Eichel/BUF debacle at the “kid getting drafted” is incongruent. At best.
Why does Jack Eichel still have a Sabres profile picture on NHL.com and what is his problem?
“Dammit, Jack!!! Those graphics interns at NHL.com are your responsibility too, just like hiring competent medical staff!!!! You’re useless!!!”
 
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To the topic, I think the Knights are just fine with Eichel. While contract management has been between moneyball and questionable at best and…..somewhere between moneyball and abhorrent at the worst, a lineup consisting of Eichel, Stone, Stephenson, Karlsson, Smith, etc. is working well under Cassidy - and with a few players having significant absences - with a goalie tandem which looked a bit like a shrug 8 months ago.

Yes, the schadenfreude will be at high tide when their window’s shut. But it isn’t right now. They’d have to chain their pants on like Houdini and munch Exlax like M&M’s in order to slip from the top 8 in the WC. They have LTIR from Weber/Patrick/Lehner+ they can use to add a piece at the Deadline, and if they can keep the right players healthy, WCF’s aren’t unreasonable.

As for Eichel specifically, he looks like the Knights’ bloated leadership influence may be the best thing for him. Stone & Pietrangelo shoulder that weight; Eichel just has to perform. Plus, his contract will hurt less with a higher cap - and that’s in the post.

Some players flourish when they don’t have the onus of being a franchise’s expected saviour thrown at them; even more when it started when they were a teenager. Such players find their success less attached to team that drafted them than the other way around. Thompson fits the growth window for Buffalo far better not because of his age (similar to Eichel) but because they LEARNED a few things about development and Thompson has a supporting cast more ready to step up than the cast Eichel had.
 
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From what I understood it wasn't the organization, it was the insurance. They wouldn't cover his salary if Eichel got what was an experimental procedure. So of you want to blame the Buffalo organizers for not wanting to be on the hook for sixty million if something went wrong, then go ahead. But I don't blame the Sabres organization for doing what they did.

Perhaps... Doesn't take away from what isad either. He's a human. It's his life. Money trumps that?

Eichel was free to do whatever the hell he wanted. He just wasn't free to BOTH go against the team doctors' advice AND still get paid another $60M by the team afterward. And why should the Sabres be pressured to take that risk when Eichel had already made it clear he was never playing another game for the Sabres even if he was healthy enough to?

I think I just addressed that
 
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From what I understood it wasn't the organization, it was the insurance. They wouldn't cover his salary if Eichel got what was an experimental procedure. So of you want to blame the Buffalo organizers for not wanting to be on the hook for sixty million if something went wrong, then go ahead. But I don't blame the Sabres organization for doing what they did.

• The Sabres organization hired Tim Murray as GM.

• Murray vacillated back and forth from immediately salting the earth within minutes of losing the lottery to having to balance out that crap reaction with management promising planets to Eichel - who was, at the time, a teenager.

= leverage some blame at that FO’s questionable decision making. They could have researched - they have Google, just like Bill Foley does. The public-facing look of it was like they stuck their fingers in their ears. Could have been down to insurance, but the fact that Vegas was willing means that a portion of the refusal was up to FO choice- pretty sure the parameters of the contract don’t change that drastically when a player is traded.


There’s one thing BUF could have done that would have absolved blame, and they didn’t have the guts to do it then: they should have just traded down.

Sure, less fanfare and hype, but imagine if they’d done something similar to Boston and lined up a few consecutive picks in the middle of the 1st round…..say, right after Barzal. Suddenly, that war chest has Kyle Connor, Evgeniy Svechnikov and Thomas Chabot…..sounds exponentially better for the team effort, having three horses to pull the weight from several positions rather than one. Put Tage Thompson in THAT and the rebuild looks to be accelerated by 2-4 years.

I’m not going to say that Eichel was blameless, but the FO is there to run a business and manage a team - roles not taken up by the teens they draft. They remind me of the South Park trope in that way, “it’s alien vampire werewolves; f*** you!!!” - blaming whatever assumed outside influence. In that step, they ignore the over-promising, under-delivering, and demonizing someone who was still respected by Erie County hospitals for his contributions when he came back to town with the Knights.

Kinda like a syntactical ambiguous sentence: “Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.” Management’s convinced Buffalo fans that the guy they brought in to be a Buffalo Sabre was to be buffaloed after they wouldn’t/couldn’t buffalo the guy into an undesirable surgery; now a number of Buffalo fans buffalo anyone with the nerve to state that as Buffalo buffaloed that particular rebuild effort into the toilet themselves because they over-promised to a teenager (at the time), it may be because it isn’t the teenager’s job to get buffaloed into running the team *and* correcting inept management.

Given that Eichel produced at about a PPG clip until injuries and rudderless management got in the way, had his surgery and has looked 90% back to form with Vegas since and his name isn’t Nail or Alexandre, this isn’t a player letting attitude kill his career…..despite the Pegulas/Tim Murray likely being quite amenable to that narrative, since it means they didn’t squander anything.

Doesn’t change the fact that they did.
 
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Eichel isn't a problem in himself. Maybe a better question is....is he the answer? And that depends on what question you are asking.
If you are asking: Is he a player that can put up points at a top 25 level and look good doing it? The answer is yes.
If you are asking: Is he a dominant player that can carry a team on his back to 'the next level'? Then the answer to that, he has shown, is no.

-Eichel misses games, he is not an 'ironman'. That is true for a lot of players. But since his Debut in the NHL, he has missed well over 100 possible games played due to injury. Many because of his neck, but he's had a couple other stints with various other injuries.
-Since he has been with Vegas, he is tied for 62nd in the league in points per game.
-This year he tied for 23rd in the league in points per game.
-Since his rookie year debut, he is 26th in the league in points per game.
-Never broke the 90 point mark in any one season, never broke 40 goals.
-His BEST season ever, where early some Buffalo Fans wanted him considered for MVP, Was 2019-2020. He finished 12th in points per game, with a total of 78 points.
-His NEXT best season ever, he finished 23rd in points per game with 82 points (6 players had over 100 that year).

Eichel is a VERY skilled player, and those skills translate to him being a 20th-25th best forward in the league year after year....who you HOPE gives you a full season but usually you have to assume he will miss a few games.
That type of player is not a problem....they are ONLY a problem if you put expectations on him to be a top 5 scorer, not a top 25 scorer that he actually is.
 
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