Is Pettersson a top 5 C in the league?

[Love]

I'm weird but I like my top 5 centres to actually play the centre position consistently. Kooky I know.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Matthews is not ahead of Drai. Has he ever even led his team in points?

Matthews has been better this season and was better in two of the previous 3 season as well (2nd in Hart and Lindsay 20/21, 1st for Hart and Lindsay 21/22) and yes, more often than Draisaitl has actually.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Matthews has been better this season and was better in two of the previous 3 season as well (2nd in Hart and Lindsay 20/21, 1st for Hart and Lindsay 21/22) and yes, more often than Draisaitl has actually.

Careful, facts have no place on HF boards.

 

[nbwingsfan]

7 goals, 12 points, +9 in 4 games and 4 game winners in a row after reuniting with the LOTTO line (after playing with mediocre line mates most of the season), following a 102 point season and Selke level defensively. Is Elias Pettersson now a top 5 centre in the NHL?

I only clearly take McDrai and Mackinnon before him and then you can make an argument for him and a few others after that so I’d say yes-ish?

 

[dirtydanglez]

mcdavid, mackinnon, drai, matthews,

pettersson/hughes/barkov/miller?

 

[Donuts]

oh yeah

 

[nbwingsfan]

Matthews is better defensively and obviously the best goal scorer in the world. Matthews is way better than Draisaitl, who has been average at best this season.

And when Matthews was average at best last season?

 

[Mez]

I think you could make the argument this season. He seems to have carried over last seasons improvement.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Anywhere from 5 to 8 is probably realistic.

 

[Xirik]

Pretty close.

71 Yes
78 No

gap widening

83 Yes
102 No

 

[MNRube]

Leafs fans: Matthews is clearly #3 because trust us.

Ignore the fact he’s only been able to lead his team in scoring a few times and his team is notorious for being soft and a non-factor in big games

 

[Ben White]

mcdavid, mackinnon, drai, matthews,

pettersson/hughes/barkov/miller?

Matthews is the better goal scorer, Pettersson the better playmaker and defensively, add to that EP is a far better goal scorer than AM34 is playmaker. I get that many people value goal scoring the most by forwards in general, however for a centreman I think the playmaking skills and 2-way play and to make the players around you better is more important.

 

[Bankerguy]

McDavid
Mathews
Drai
Mackinon
Petey

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Leafs fans: Matthews is clearly #3 because trust us.

Ignore the fact he’s only been able to lead his team in scoring a few times and his team is notorious for being soft and a non-factor in big games

Matthews over the last four seasons (including this one):

-two rockets in the bag, on his way to a third
-one hart trophy
-one hart trophy runner up
-one Lindsay
-selke votes every year

Pettersson:

 

[wetcoast]

Matthews has been better this season and was better in two of the previous 3 season as well (2nd in Hart and Lindsay 20/21, 1st for Hart and Lindsay 21/22) and yes, more often than Draisaitl has actually.

Funny that Drai has 44 more points in 13 more games though eh?

And before you get on the "he plays with McDavid wagon" let's look at playoffs last 2 years.

Leon is second in scoring and AM is tied for 31st along with 4 others.

I have no problem putting AM in the top 5 but the Oilers duo and Mack at the top 3 for sure.

gap widening

83 Yes
102 No

The other guy was 100% right.

I mean almost every post about "in the neighborhood" could be described as leaning more yes than no but here you go doubling down.

 

[Phrasing]

Matthews over the last four seasons (including this one):

-two rockets in the bag, on his way to a third
-one hart trophy
-one hart trophy runner up
-one Lindsay
-selke votes every year

Pettersson:

EP over the last two seasons:

Scored more than Matthews
More Selke votes

Matthews may have been better 4 and 3 years ago. Not really the case now.

it’s a dumb way to argue who’s better NOW, unless you think you can use the same argument to say he’s better than Mackinnon…

 

[keglu]

Matthews has been better this season and was better in two of the previous 3 season as well (2nd in Hart and Lindsay 20/21, 1st for Hart and Lindsay 21/22) and yes, more often than Draisaitl has actually.

Wierd criteria to use againts Draisailt considering he is basically disqualified from a least Hart because of McDavid. In 4 seasons you used Draisaitl had 1,44ppg, Matthews 1,28ppg. PO it is 1,72 to 1.00

 

[lipstickjunkie]

EP over the last two seasons:

Scored more than Matthews
More Selke votes

Matthews may have been better 4 and 3 years ago. Not really the case now.

it’s a dumb way to argue who’s better NOW, unless you think you can use the same argument to say he’s better than Mackinnon…

Matthews' Hart season was two years ago. Not three, not four.

This year, Matthews has 45 primary points in 39 games and Pettersson has 41 primary points in 43 games. Matthews is also on pace to flirt with 70 goals. No big deal.

The only thing Pettersson is better at is racking up secondary assists.

And he's so good at centre he's now playing the wing.

 

[Phrasing]

Matthews' Hart season was two years ago. Not three, not four.

This year, Matthews has 45 primary points in 39 games and Pettersson has 41 primary points in 43 games. Matthews is also on pace to flirt with 70 goals. No big deal.

The only thing Pettersson is better at is racking up secondary assists.

And he's so good at centre he's now playing the wing.

Nice try lol. I hope you had fun cherry picking.

AM is more of a PP merchant. EP isn’t. He’s also about to score back to back 100 point seasons. AM can’t even manage to do that. All he’s got is goals. EP scores more, defends better, and you might want to get your facts straight about center before making a fool of yourself… also all of the above is cherry picked. You can move the stats whichever way you like to fit your narrative.

Try harder. I need more than dumb arguments here.

(Also, check primary points going back to last year as well)

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Wierd criteria to use againts Draisailt considering he is basically disqualified from a least Hart because of McDavid. In 4 seasons you used Draisaitl had 1,44ppg, Matthews 1,28ppg. PO it is 1,72 to 1.00

I'm sure playing with the most talented player since Mario Lemieux wouldn't have an influence on that? Like how RNH is a 100 point player and a Hyman a PPG player now?

Craziest thing about Draisaitl's playoff production over the last 2 years is that he's somehow managed to only be a plus 3 while pilling up all those points. Really speaks volumes to his defensive play or lack there of during that time (the analytics support this as well)

 

[keglu]

I'm sure playing with the most talented player since Mario Lemieux wouldn't have an influence on that? Like how RNH is a 100 point player and a Hyman a PPG player now?

Craziest thing about Draisaitl's playoff production over the last 2 years is that he's somehow managed to only be a plus 3 while pilling up all those points. Really speaks volumes to his defensive play or lack there of during that time (the analytics support this as well)

Sure it does but Leafs generally score at similair rate in last few years and Matthews have few very talented teammates to play with.
Matthews is carrer 0+/- in PO so not sure why you bring up this argument.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Matthews' Hart season was two years ago. Not three, not four.

This year, Matthews has 45 primary points in 39 games and Pettersson has 41 primary points in 43 games. Matthews is also on pace to flirt with 70 goals. No big deal.

The only thing Pettersson is better at is racking up secondary assists.

And he's so good at centre he's now playing the wing.

Wow! Still picking cherries even in the winter. Kudos!

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Nice try lol. I hope you had fun cherry picking.

AM is more of a PP merchant. EP isn’t. He’s also about to score back to back 100 point seasons. AM can’t even manage to do that. All he’s got is goals. EP scores more, defends better, and you might want to get your facts straight about center before making a fool of yourself… also all of the above is cherry picked. You can move the stats whichever way you like to fit your narrative.

Try harder. I need more than dumb arguments here.

(Also, check primary points going back to last year as well)

Matthews is a PP merchant? LOL. You should check your facts before you post. Matthews has 14 points on the PP, Pettersson has 19. Matthews' even strength production has been incredible since the start of his career. Go look at how many even strength goals he has compared to the rest of the league over the years. You couldn't be any more wrong if you tried, LOL.

If you want to talk about power play merchants, go look at Draisaitl.

What a horrible, horrible argument. Even for a Canucks fan.

 

[McPoyle]

Craziest thing about Draisaitl's playoff production over the last 2 years is that he's somehow managed to only be a plus 3 while pilling up all those points. Really speaks volumes to his defensive play or lack there of during that time (the analytics support this as well)

Lets compare the last two years of 34 and 29.

Draisaitl: 20-30-50 in 28 GP. Led the playoffs in goals last year and in assists the year before that. OIGF/OIGA at 5v5 is 37-29, +8.

Matthews: 9-11-20 in 18 GP. OIGF/GA at 5v5 is 14-11, +3.

Very clear which is better.

 

[Phrasing]

Matthews is a PP merchant? LOL. You should check your facts before you post. Matthews has 14 points on the PP, Pettersson has 19. Matthews' even strength production has been incredible since the start of his career. Go look at how many even strength goals he has compared to the rest of the league over the years. You couldn't be any more wrong if you tried, LOL.

If you want to talk about power play merchants, go look at Draisaitl.

What a horrible, horrible argument. Even for a Canucks fan.

[mod] You can pick stats to show what ever you want if you cherry pick it. I wasn’t wrong. EP does have more 5on5 points. It’s all about how you say it. I didn’t say he had more goals, but again seems the cherry-picking point goes over your head.

If you want my real opinion on the two it’s in this thread. You’re the one that thinks it’s definite one way that AM is better and there’s no argument. I think EP has made plenty of arguments last year and this is year. Unless you’re also insane to believe AM was also better last year. Who’s better now, based on the last two seasons? I like cherries too

Back to school with you.