Is Mcdavid the greatest Athlete in the big 4 Sports since Lebron James?

[PromisedLand]

Sewag, Laxman, Dravid and even Dhoni take exception to this.
That mid-late 00's Indian lineup could bat!

oh yea that was later though. Sachin as 16 yr old making his debut until he was in his early to mid 20s I think he was the only guy. I could be wrong though as I've gotten old. Steve Waugh Era and Aussie dominance of that sport had left me shaken during that period

Dhoni era later on was awesome to watch though. I had never seen someone like Dhoni to finish the innings the way he did at least in my life time lol may be Beaven but even he wasn't as good I guess

 

[Empoleon8771]

not really Brady has a lot of success but doesn't necessarily have that great of a per game stats compared to a lot of other top QBs every other top player in other sports are usually the ones leading in just about every stat possible while guys like Brees were carrying their team harder than Brady most of the time.

Brady holds like every single NFL QB cumulative record imaginable. Trying to diminish him because "other guys threw for more yards per game!" is lunacy.

I'm a Steelers fan saying that. Brady is the undisputed GOAT, period.

 

[PromisedLand]

What are you talking about? McDavid has been demolishing his peers at ES scoring since he broke into the league.

Hes 56 points ahead of second place since his rookie season. He's 100 points ahead of Crosby in this time period.

He has like double the ES points of the guys at 30ish over this time period.

He's lapping the field.

no he doesnt. Even if you look at this season alone he is about the same as his peers, especially if you look at even strength points per 60 mins.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Manning > Brady and I went to Michigan

Manning always had the offense Brady rarely did. Mahomes and Manning are both behind Brady as annoying as his brand focus is these days.

 

[tabness]

Manning always had the offense Brady rarely did. Mahomes and Manning are both behind Brady as annoying as his brand focus is these days.

That's fair and I'm not super into football to be firm on the opinion lol

Just whenever I saw Manning play it seemed more impressive individually than Brady, Brady certainly kept the "comeback kid" thing we knew him at Michigan going well into his career though.

 

[Panthaz89]

no he doesnt. Even if you look at this season alone he is about the same as his peers, especially if you look at even strength points per 60 mins.

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ah yes per 60 when the guy plays 25 mins a game any other player would be dead tired by game 15 worn out from that much time lmao.

 

[DearDiary]

and declining more day by day.

if McD can continue this into his 30s he's definitely gonna surpass Crosby, the only argument will be cups.

The argument made wasn't that McDavid > Crosby which I agree with. What was said was McDavid is a tier above Crosby, when McDavid paces 5 points per 82 games higher in 517 games played

 

[Empoleon8771]

Also, if we're talking greatest of all time, how would you throw someone like Tyson Fury relative to McDavid when it comes to heavyweight boxing? Fury is 33-0-1 in his heavyweight career. Granted it seems like boxing has become weaker relative to the other major sports, but what Fury is doing is super impressive.

 

[Bank Shot]

no he doesnt. Even if you look at this season alone he is about the same as his peers, especially if you look at even strength points per 60 mins.

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The problem is that you are ONLY looking at this season ......

Its less than 30 games sample size.

If you look at McDavid over his career he is first with a bullet since he came into the league in both raw even strength points scored and ALSO ES points per 60.

So yeah I guess Mcdavid hasn't been the leading ES scorer in every 30ish game segment of his career, but that's just a ridiculous hill to die on.

 

[PromisedLand]

I don’t really watch soccer but this had me hooked. That looks to me like the best athlete ever.

Messi is just on another level. His skill level is beyond anything I've ever seen in any sport. This includes Federer's dominance on grass btw in his prime. plus it is even harder to compete in soccer compared to other sports.

There may be other athletes who could have been way better than mcdavid but never got to play the sport b/c hockey is freakin' expensive. To play soccer it isn't as expensive so competition is tremendous. you gotta be the best of the best of the best among hundreds of thousands not just in your own country but pretty globally.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

Might as well toss Magnus Carlsen's name into this thread.

 

[PromisedLand]

The problem is that you are ONLY looking at this season ......

Its less than 30 games sample size.

If you look at McDavid over his career he is first with a bullet since he came into the league in both raw even strength points scored and ALSO ES points per 60.

So yeah I guess Mcdavid hasn't been the leading ES scorer in every 30ish game segment of his career, but that's just a ridiculous hill to die on.

whats the sepration though? is it sizable? I haven't look at that

 

[Future GOAT]

McDavid is the Messi of Hockey.

 

[PromisedLand]

Also, if we're talking greatest of all time, how would you throw someone like Tyson Fury relative to McDavid when it comes to heavyweight boxing? Fury is 33-0-1 in his heavyweight career. Granted it seems like boxing has become weaker relative to the other major sports, but what Fury is doing is super impressive.

holy thats freakin' impressive. Not a huge boxing guy but thats an impressive record

 

[Future GOAT]

holy thats freakin' impressive. Not a huge boxing guy but thats an impressive record

And he hasn't been crushing cans either.

Usyk is also super impressive.

 

[Samsquanch]

I have no issue saying McDavid is the best player I’ve ever seen by quite a margin.

I never saw Gretzky dominate the 80s (I'm 85 born). But Lemieux was my idol growing up. And the 2nd best player to ever lace up the skates.

And yet I'm not going to completely disagree with you either. It's just wild what he's doing in an age of the game that it shouldn't be possible to dominate like he does.

I don't doubt that someday we could see a freak of nature athlete emerge some day that's 6'7 and 250lbs of lean muscle that can skate faster than everyone, hit harder and be impossible to stop or take the puck away from - and have the superstar talent and IQ to back it up. And that player could dominate in a way that other superstars can't, and would be the clear cut best player of his generation.

But that's not McDavid at all....you could pass him in the mall and not even notice him if he was wearing a mask. Just a regular well built but normal looking lanky dude. Like that carpenter you contracted to do your kitchen last year or something....

Yes his skating is a God given athletic ability, but otherwise he's not a supreme athletic specimen. He's in top shape no doubt, but he's a lot closer to being shaped like Gretzky than he is like Lemieux. But alas, the dude is a freak on the ice with the puck on his stick.

So yes there is no other top player in any of the other 4 major sports that is just so clearly far ahead in a tier of his own. We don't even know who's 2nd best in hockey, is up for debate. But no matter who you pick that player has a canyon to cross before he gets to McDavids level.

 

[authentic]

There may be other athletes who could have been way better than mcdavid but never got to play the sport b/c hockey is freakin' expensive. To play soccer it isn't as expensive so competition is tremendous. you gotta be the best of the best of the best among hundreds of thousands not just in your own country but pretty globally.

Yeah that’s the craziest part about it but also watching this I’m thinking how much harder it is to go across a giant field on foot than up and down a much smaller ice rink on skates and manage to deke around all those players that consistently. It just seems like it takes so much more physically and mentally to do what he’s doing there. Imagine the possibilities if as many people were able to play hockey lol

 

[Empoleon8771]

holy thats freakin' impressive. Not a huge boxing guy but thats an impressive record

And his only tie came against Deontay Wilder, who is 43-2-1 in his heavyweight career. His 2 losses? To Fury.

When they're not fighting each other, Wilder and Fury have won every single fight they've been in. Wilder is 43-0 and Fury is 31-0.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

McDavid at 29 could just join a super team and win a couple of cups if he wants

He's not going to fall off until he calls it quits.

His regular season dominance by then will be so strong that him leaving to win a cup or two won't hurt his legacy

This is assuming the Oilers can't figure out how to win

Messi is further ahead since he's at the tail end of his career

McDavid is on a very similar track.

5 rosses + 4 lindsays + 3 harts by 26 is absurd

Messi was neck and neck with CR7 until 2019 or 2020. He pulled ahead now but it was very close

McDavid when he's 35 likely is challenging Gretzky for all time GOAT like Messi is now to Pele

Messi already established himself as the GOAT when he was McDavids age now .


But post-Messi I would say McDavid has a good case

 

[David Suzuki]

Of the sports I watch I'd say Messi and Aaron Donald are better.

 

[T REX]

Jordan
Brady
Ruth
Gretz
Tiger
Pele
Ali

In hockey...McDavid will never ever be equal to Gretz....ever

 

[Samsquanch]

I think McDavid is better but I have a tough time saying he’s a tier above considering he is basically what I expected Crosby to be if his peak years didn’t get ruined by injury.

It's sad to me that people still try to deny Crosby and his greatness.

Lmao the dude has f*** all left to prove. It's done. He did it. He's an all time great probably in the 5-7 range. He won everything and has bonkers stats to back it up despite having devastating injuries in his prime. He's a legend and Canadian icon now and in the history books. Everything else he's done aside, the Golden Goal at home in OT against the USA while hosting the Olympics with the world watching along with all of the entire Canadian population - that was as big as it will ever get. If you can't grasp how big a moment that was for Canadian hockey pride, you need to think on it more.

Having said that, McDavid is somehow an even better offensive player. And much more dangerous with the puck. But it's yet TBD if Crosby was a better overall player imo.

He doesn't need to win the same amount of championships or medals as Crosby - because that's just unfair and unrealistic for anyone. But if he finished his career and has legacy of always falling short in the big moments, his stats will have to be even better than they are now to justify ranking him above.

 

[sansabri]

Judge was a half dozen points away from getting the triple crown and then there's Ohtani

 

[jaywills1020]

and declining more day by day.

if McD can continue this into his 30s he's definitely gonna surpass Crosby, the only argument will be cups.

Mcdavid relies on his speed. Do you think he’ll have that speed when he’s Crosby age? Doubt it. Then he’ll be declining more day by day.

 

[Daximus]

Messi is probably by far the most dominant athlete of this generation.

A record 7 Ballon d'Or's voted as the best player in the world, 5-2nd place finishes and a 3rd place finish.
A record 6 Golden Shoes as the Euro football leading scorer,
A record 6 La Liga MVP's
A record 8 times leading La Liga in goals.
A record 80 Champions league goals, a record 474 Liga career goals, the record for most goals in a Liga season with 50.

His dominance over the modern football world is unmatched and he went up against some pretty stiff competition during that time frame.

He's won basically everything outside of a WC and is going to play in a final soon so he might win that as well.

Given the talent pool for football is essentially world wide, which is bigger than any other sport. The fact that one guy has had this much dominance over that talent pool is pretty crazy.

You could take any NHLer and put them on a pitch with Messi and he'd run circles around them.