He was a free agent in his prime, without injury history, that just played on top lines in Toronto.
Definitely Dupuis, he had 21 points in his last 85 games.
Oh, so you’re being intellectually dishonest, and so you are surprised you are getting the same kind of replies back. Let me join the fun! Evander Kane was a top line 30g, 56p guy before being put on McDavids wing, and McDavid made him worse! McDavid sucks y’all, don’t look at anything else.
Okay, I actually have a little time on my hands now so I can finally address this:
Can you please explain the intellectual dishonesty for me?
To recap, the poster I responded to said Crosby turned Dupuis and Kunitz into the players they were, and Crosby was responsible for their development. He then said Hyman improved with McDavid but he doesn't count because he was already established.
Pascal Dupuis had already played 9 seasons by the time he joined the Pens, and playing with Crosby he put up a career high of 59 points, which bested his previous best prior to joining the Penguins of 48 by 11.
Chris Kunitz had played 6 seasons before joining the Pens and was already a Stanley Cup champion. He eventually put up 68 points playing with Crosby, which topped his pre-penguins career high of 60 by 8 points.
Hyman joined the Oilers after 6 years in the league. Last year he put up 83 points, an increase of 42 points from his pre-Oiler best of 41.
Now, I didn't bring these players up. The poster I was responding to specifically chose these players as examples of Crosby making his teammates better as opposed to McDavid.
So based on the evidence above, how is that in any way accurate? How was hyman more established? Both dupuis and kunitz had had higher point totals than hyman on their previous teams. If anything, you could argue Crosby helped these players re-establish their game, but it was pretty much a level of play that they had already achieved previous to joining the Pens. The same cannot be said for Hyman.
So please, what is intellectually dishonest about this? Remember...I didn't cherry pick these players. They were players mentioned by the poster I was responding to.
And fwiw, I feel like it's worth mentioning that I am a Canucks and a Rangers fan. I have no reason to support either of these players except when they don the red and white maple leaf. I have no agenda to make McDavid seem better. I hope Oilers never win a cup and so long as McDavid is there the same goes for him.
Edit: and if your response is 'it's not just about points, Crosby taught them the intangibles to play like winners,' I'm out. You won't get a response. Remember, Kunitz won a cup before Crosby ever did.
And please keep in mind, this is not my attempt to say McDavid elevates his teammates more than Crosby does. My whole point is that 'the argument that Crosby elevates his teammates more than McDavid, especially in reference to the players specified, is a stupid argument.'
