mattihp
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Generational player needs the hardware to back it up. Needs to be consensus more than best at the position and clearly so.Was Hedman considered the best d man in the league at 22? Not even close
Generational player needs the hardware to back it up. Needs to be consensus more than best at the position and clearly so.Was Hedman considered the best d man in the league at 22? Not even close
So actual defending is not part of a DEFENSEman´s job anymore?Yes, without a doubt.
However there are too many trolls from HP* Boards here, so it will take a decade or two before it gets generally acknowledged.
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Generational Dman? Yeah, I think so. When we look back in 20 years from now I think it will.be clear he was the best Dman the league has seen since at least Lidstrom, maybe even further back.
So actual defending is not part of a DEFENSEman´s job anymore?
See above for my thoughts on generational players. That’s McDavid.
Just seems weird to dismiss Makar’s chances at being the top defender of his generation. Not saying it’s going to happen, but it’s certainly possible with the way he’s started his career.
I have a strong opinion that for a player to be considered
1) best of generation
2) best of NHL
3) best of his team
is that the given player should at the very least be the #1 in ice-time in his position in his own team. Like at the very minimum.
Stop letting your ass speak instead of your mouth
Lidstrom or Bourque have been the best d man since but I don't see either as a generational talent, especially Lidstrom, the guy just kept getting better and better. I remember Forsberg undressing lidstrom for a huge goal in the playoffs in 96, 15 years later that wouldn't have happened.Lidström was closest to being generational since Orr. But I agree.
Erik Karlsson’s peak wasn’t that long ago.
If the bar is set that high, I guess there hasn't been a generational talent on forward since Gretzky either.
Makar has been more impressive to begin his career then Karlsson was. While Karlsson was absolutely elite it ended early due to injuries unfortunately
Makar won the Calder in a close vote.
He lost the the Norris the following year in a close vote. He's not an all situations d-man.
He's not head shoulders scoring wise over the competition. How is that generational? If he wins a Norris you can say he's the best d-man in the league. Over time he may even prove to be the best d-man of his era but that still has to be proven.
Almost certainly. Sure. Its not like Makar was the frontrunner and then got hurt and Fox snuck past him. Fox was the the fav pretty much all season, dominant from start to finish and actually is elite defensively and plays all situations. People complain that the Norris has become the D-man Art Ross but then complain that Makar should have won because he had the highest P/PG?
I can say Fox would almost certainly won the Calder too if he got to man the PP his rookie year.