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giving the captaincy to players who had no idea what it takes to win in the nhl because of last names and marketing was the cop out.
Is Brady Tkachuk currently overrated?
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giving the captaincy to players who had no idea what it takes to win in the nhl because of last names and marketing was the cop out.
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
I'm quite confused... I was talking about "the last 3 years" in post #37 but you came back with "2017-2024" in post #38 and now you're telling me this "history lesson" thing
Not sure which direction I'm supposed to go here lol
Which "comparative ranking"? If you include the rookie season where a player played in the AHL and 2 seasons there was a pandemic, it's going to largely skew the results.
For example, for Erik Karlsson, if you look at these 3 particular seasons, he has averaged 29 pts per 56 games despite his 11.5 AAV, which doesn't reflect that he is one the best offensive D-men of all-time.
Did we?
The disagreement seemed to be when I said that Chabot was in the 2nd tier among Sens players with guys like Tkachuk, Batherson and Norris (Stutzle and Sanderson in a clear 1st tier) and you replied "is he though?"
Sorry but I'm not following, this conversation has lost the "logic plot". As I said, I was talking about the last 3 seasons and you went back to 2017-2024 as a counter fact
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This is an interesting question. I often wonder how he would compare to someone like Mitch Marner of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
I suppose will never know what people think about the comparison, but it's an interesting thought point.
I suppose will never know what people think about the comparison, but it's an interesting thought point.
Strangle
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Obviously he is overrated based on the Marner poll results
He’s a career average 65pts per 82 games, and has never made the playoffs in his career.
I mean, he’s just average. There is nothing that stands out about this guy
He’s a career average 65pts per 82 games, and has never made the playoffs in his career.
I mean, he’s just average. There is nothing that stands out about this guy
The Gr8 Dane
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I think Marner is better but saying Brady is just average and nothing stands out is a bit extreme and just as bad/biased as the people taking him over marner
It is your opinions he is overrated. He has also played on a pretty bad team his entire career. I would take him over Marner. I have no bias, I don't like Ottawa or the Leafs, actually I am not even a fan of the Tkachuk's in general. He is a unique and rare player that can add a lot of elements to a line and to a team. He adds a dimension that is difficult to find in today's NHL. I guess it really depends what you want or need in a player, they play a completely different style.
Strangle
Leafs Smol PP
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Can’t agree with that. You think tkachuk is a ‘rare’ talent?
How many players are there in the league like Marner? 90+ points per 82 games I his career, and plays all situations and is super star level at everything from 5 on 5, to quarterbacking a powerplay to being your top penalty killer?
A player that a coach can even play as a defenseman and is on the ice at the end of the game whether you’re winning or losing?
Plus/minus isn’t the greatest stat (by far), but we are talking a career +110 and a career -58. Sometimes plus/minus does tell a story, and this one is a pretty obvious one.
You think tkachuk is rare, and that’s why you’d take him but that is hand waving away how much Marner is MUCH MORE RARE of a player.
You can just say it, you value physical play over everything else that Marner brings to the table that tkachuk isn’t even in the same area code with.
Which is every single other aspect of the game of hockey
He is pretty average. He has had 1 decent season and has had a good start this year. The rest of his career has been very pedestrian
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
You understand that Brady Tkachuk was 24 y/o last season?
22 y/o : 0.85 PPG (30 goals)
23 y/o : 1.01 PPG (35 goals)
24 y/o : 0.91 PPG (37 goals)
Yes his 19, 20 and 21 y/o seasons were more "modest". Marner broke out at 21 but his 19 and 20 y/o seasons were more modest too
Stop being ridiculous, you might fool a couple of dummies with this kind of crap but you look more ridiculous than anything.
We can agree to disagree. Comparing the +/- of one player that has played on a team that has been much better offensively and defensively then the other for a number of years is silly.
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Strangle
Leafs Smol PP
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You’re making my point for me. 19 and 20 ‘modest’ for tkachuk is 40-ish points
But for Marner it’s 60-ish?
If 60 is modest 40 is shit, wouldn’t you agree?
This brings up another point. Senators players are compared head to head against Toronto players in the poll section a lot
Not once has a Toronto player won any of those polls.
I mean, hfboards would rather have Stutzle than Matthews and tkachuk than marner
I’m sure they’d also rather Suzuki to Tavares and Hudson to knies
How does Toronto have a better team, in your opinion, if every player comparison poll on hfboards picks the sens player?
NyQuil
Big F$&*in Q
If you guys could read instead of constantly crying and complaining you would notice that the Leafs win plenty of polls.
These are just Brady Tkachuk vs. Mitch Marner:
Marner vs Tkachuk
Have a lot of Tkachuk vs Nylander threads, but this one hasn't come up in quite a while. Anyway, which player would you prefer to have now and in the future? I'll homer vote Tkachuk, but its pretty much dead even for me for now.
Tkachuk or Marner
Brady Tkachuk or Mitch Marner. I'm arguing with a friend over who would make the leafs better right now. I say Brady.
Brady Tkachuk vs Mitch Marner
I remember this being a poll/thread sometime last year and turned into a multi page debate, but it got deleted/locked or something, I can't find it anywhere. Who do you take on your team today? For context, this season: Marner : 25GP, 8G, 21A, 29PTS Tkachuk : 23GP, 11G, 17A, 28PTS
Mitchell Marner or Braeden Tkachuk; no contracts, who do you take going forward?
Mitchell Marner or Braeden Tkachuk; no contracts, who are you taking?
Others:
Matthews,Marner,Woll vs Stutzle,Tkachuk,Ullmark
Who has the better trio Toronto or Ottawa?and why?
Who's the better goal scorer, Drake Batherson or Mitch Marner?
Speak your mind HF
Josh Norris vs William Nylander
After each of their 1st 3 seasons in the league(2 & a bit each really)...... Josh Norris: 52G/90P - signs 7.95M deal for 8 years William Nylander: 48G/135P - signs 6.9M deal for 6 years(& he has 89G/208P in the 4 years since then...) I take Nylander. Much better offensive performance and...
Extended Matthews vs Stutzle going forward?
Matthews has a year left at $11.6M, then let’s assume he signs for 7-8 years in the area of $12M to $13M Stutzle has 8 years left at $8.35M
Matthews more Goals or Stutzle more Points?
Auston Matthews has 48 goals so far this season, Tim Stuzle has 49 points. Who finishes with the higher total?
Tim Stutzle (OTT) vs Auston Matthews (TOR) Who is better defensively?
Which of these two forwards is better defensively?
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I don't base my opinion on what others say and I am not a troll on this message board like a number of people are, I can hate a team and still be objective about their players. The Leafs have been a far stronger team then Ottawa for a number of years, so that is not even worth discussing. That impacts things like point production and plus/minus. I don't like the Leafs, the Senators, nor am I a big fan of the Tkachuk brothers in general so I am completely unbiased. If I had a choice right now to have Marner or Tkachuk on my team, I would pick Brady Tkachuk and that is no slight to Mitch Marner, he is an excellent player, I just like the elements Tkachuk brings to a team. I just have a preference for physical, 35 goal, near point per game 6'4, 225 pound players over a smaller player that scores 90 points.
Golden_Jet
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Ya reading is hard, and hyperbole is posters trait.If you guys could read instead of constantly crying and complaining you would notice that the Leafs win plenty of polls.
These are just Brady Tkachuk vs. Mitch Marner:
Marner vs Tkachuk
Have a lot of Tkachuk vs Nylander threads, but this one hasn't come up in quite a while. Anyway, which player would you prefer to have now and in the future? I'll homer vote Tkachuk, but its pretty much dead even for me for now.forums.hfboards.com
Tkachuk or Marner
Brady Tkachuk or Mitch Marner. I'm arguing with a friend over who would make the leafs better right now. I say Brady.
Brady Tkachuk vs Mitch Marner
I remember this being a poll/thread sometime last year and turned into a multi page debate, but it got deleted/locked or something, I can't find it anywhere. Who do you take on your team today? For context, this season: Marner : 25GP, 8G, 21A, 29PTS Tkachuk : 23GP, 11G, 17A, 28PTS
Mitchell Marner or Braeden Tkachuk; no contracts, who do you take going forward?
Mitchell Marner or Braeden Tkachuk; no contracts, who are you taking?
Others:
Matthews,Marner,Woll vs Stutzle,Tkachuk,Ullmark
Who has the better trio Toronto or Ottawa?and why?
Who's the better goal scorer, Drake Batherson or Mitch Marner?
Speak your mind HF
Josh Norris vs William Nylander
After each of their 1st 3 seasons in the league(2 & a bit each really)...... Josh Norris: 52G/90P - signs 7.95M deal for 8 years William Nylander: 48G/135P - signs 6.9M deal for 6 years(& he has 89G/208P in the 4 years since then...) I take Nylander. Much better offensive performance and...
Extended Matthews vs Stutzle going forward?
Matthews has a year left at $11.6M, then let’s assume he signs for 7-8 years in the area of $12M to $13M Stutzle has 8 years left at $8.35M
Matthews more Goals or Stutzle more Points?
Auston Matthews has 48 goals so far this season, Tim Stuzle has 49 points. Who finishes with the higher total?
Tim Stutzle (OTT) vs Auston Matthews (TOR) Who is better defensively?
Which of these two forwards is better defensively?
Strangle
Leafs Smol PP
- May 4, 2009
- 9,758
- 7,004
If you guys could read instead of constantly crying and complaining you would notice that the Leafs win plenty of polls.
These are just Brady Tkachuk vs. Mitch Marner:
Marner vs Tkachuk
Have a lot of Tkachuk vs Nylander threads, but this one hasn't come up in quite a while. Anyway, which player would you prefer to have now and in the future? I'll homer vote Tkachuk, but its pretty much dead even for me for now.
Tkachuk or Marner
Brady Tkachuk or Mitch Marner. I'm arguing with a friend over who would make the leafs better right now. I say Brady.
Brady Tkachuk vs Mitch Marner
I remember this being a poll/thread sometime last year and turned into a multi page debate, but it got deleted/locked or something, I can't find it anywhere. Who do you take on your team today? For context, this season: Marner : 25GP, 8G, 21A, 29PTS Tkachuk : 23GP, 11G, 17A, 28PTS
Mitchell Marner or Braeden Tkachuk; no contracts, who do you take going forward?
Mitchell Marner or Braeden Tkachuk; no contracts, who are you taking?
Others:
Matthews,Marner,Woll vs Stutzle,Tkachuk,Ullmark
Who has the better trio Toronto or Ottawa?and why?
Who's the better goal scorer, Drake Batherson or Mitch Marner?
Speak your mind HF
Josh Norris vs William Nylander
After each of their 1st 3 seasons in the league(2 & a bit each really)...... Josh Norris: 52G/90P - signs 7.95M deal for 8 years William Nylander: 48G/135P - signs 6.9M deal for 6 years(& he has 89G/208P in the 4 years since then...) I take Nylander. Much better offensive performance and...
Extended Matthews vs Stutzle going forward?
Matthews has a year left at $11.6M, then let’s assume he signs for 7-8 years in the area of $12M to $13M Stutzle has 8 years left at $8.35M
Matthews more Goals or Stutzle more Points?
Auston Matthews has 48 goals so far this season, Tim Stuzle has 49 points. Who finishes with the higher total?
Tim Stutzle (OTT) vs Auston Matthews (TOR) Who is better defensively?
Which of these two forwards is better defensively?
Appreciate the work put into this post
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
I'm not making any point for you, it's just you doing some self-conviction lol. Your idea is already made so of course any argument is going to be twisted into your narrative.
But I'm here to rectify the facts, as usual.
1) First, it is a bit stupid and newbish to look at 19-20 y/o seasons to evaluate a player, everyone and their dog know that players are far from finished products at that age.
2) Second, everyone and their dog also know that power forwards take more time to come into their own than soft skilled PP playmakers
3) Marner paced for 65 then 69 pts in his first 2 seasons. Tkachuk paced for 52 and 51 pts, so not really the numbers you are throwing out there.
4) Tkachuk was the Sens leading scorer in his 2nd season, Ottawa was starting a REBUILD and had SOLD all of their established talent (Karlsson, Hoffman, Brassard then Duchene, Stone, etc). Marner played on a playoffs team starting from his rookie season. A lot of his assists are on goals from one of the best goals scorer ever, which helps.
But who would have guess you'd be twisting facts like that considering the kind of poster you are? lol everyone and their dog who has a little bif of intelligence. When you studied psychology, people like you become extremely predictable and easy to read.
Like Nyquil demonstrated, this is factually wrong
This never ever happened, except when contracts are included but you have shown the incapacity to understand this very simple parameter, like if it was rocket science or something
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Golden_Jet
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Good post, always posting incorrect things as facts lol, then gets called out for it, and shown what it is actual fact.
Golden_Jet
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We know the OP’s take on this lol
@SquidNasty
Sounds a bit like trolling, but to each their own.
He might just be the most overrated player in the league. Boomer media loves him because he's a throwback style player but he's complete garbage defensively and the leadership is also questionable. He's immature and just wants guys to get paid.
@SquidNasty
Sounds a bit like trolling, but to each their own.
He might just be the most overrated player in the league. Boomer media loves him because he's a throwback style player but he's complete garbage defensively and the leadership is also questionable. He's immature and just wants guys to get paid.
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A little bit, so he should go the Florida Panthers where he will become a little bit underrated.
HockeyVirus
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At this point pretty clearly yes. So many people project his brother on him (like all NHL brother pairs. Alex Nylander gets compared to Willy and they are nothing alike) but he is not his brother.
What we have evidence of he is a questionable leader on an NHL team and plays far too much empty calories hockey. Getting in fights in last5 minutes of games to look like he did something type of thing.
He hasn't shown he will consistently do the things needed to win which is a large reason why the Sens never take steps forward no matter who they rotate around him.
Someday Ottawa will trade him and return a massive haul and clearly win the trade. They will be a better team after that deal.
What we have evidence of he is a questionable leader on an NHL team and plays far too much empty calories hockey. Getting in fights in last5 minutes of games to look like he did something type of thing.
He hasn't shown he will consistently do the things needed to win which is a large reason why the Sens never take steps forward no matter who they rotate around him.
Someday Ottawa will trade him and return a massive haul and clearly win the trade. They will be a better team after that deal.
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