Kings Article: Is Andrej Sekera worth It?

Regehr was the worst possession defenseman for the Kings. Every person he played with saw an extreme dip in possession stats. Doughty and Sekera both suffered.

Doughty when apart: 61.46 CF60, 47.32 CA60.
Doughty when w/regehr: 56.82 CF60, 51.26 CA60


Sekera when apart: 62.98 CF60, 52.46 CA60.
Sekera when w/Regehr: 52.57 CF60, 45.40 CA60.

It had to do with deployment, but it also had to do with Regehr not being able to execute out of his zone at the same level of Muzzin/McNabb. Those two saw great partnerships with Doughty and Sekera because they worked extremely well at zone exits and breakouts. Regehr gets a lot of praise as a shutdown guy, but Sutter completely overdid it. He shackled good quality offensive players to Regehr and ended up limiting their ability to breakout of the zone, thus leading to scoring plays or offensive zone possession. He was a boat anchor to our most creative and offensively gifted players.

Also, for the praise he gets, Regehr had the highest number of relative high-danger scoring chances against him. Yes he received difficult minutes generally, but it is not like he was excelling at limiting those chances. All in all, the Kings were a better shot suppression team without him on the ice. If you were an opposing team you probably loved seeing Regehr strapped to Doughty/Sekera. It meant that they were going to get awful deployment, not as many offensive opportunities, and the other team was likely going to get some solid scoring chances.

As far as the distribution goes, that's ridiculous to say that McNabb and Greene would take 20 minutes each. You would probably have McNabb take an extra bit mainly, something he showed capable of doing last year alongside Sekera. Replacing Regehr's minutes with the existing D corps won't be a problem. He played too much as is.

Oh yes, the 'possession stats.' How do your weak possession stats explain Regehr playing the third most ice time on the 4th best D team all season last year and him not getting killed out there then? They don't.

Regehr isn't an offensive D-man. Never has been. He's there for one purpose, to keep the puck out of his net. Possession numbers don't benefit guys like him. End result indicates he did his job well. You simply do not play 67 games, playing the types of minutes he did, and walk away with a positive result in terms of goals against if he was so awful. You don't. If your numbers say he's so bad, yet he was a huge factor in the 4th best defense in the league, then perhaps that's a good indicator a guy like Regehr doesn't deserve to be measured by possession numbers isn't it?

As for ice time allotment, I'm simply reply to your absurd suggestion Greene and Mcnabb would eat up Regehr's minutes. Sekera right now isn't an option unless he's resigned.
 
Not in your opinion they aren't. Do we all forget Muzzin in his rookie year and then how he looked in year two? McNabb looks a lot like Muzzin to me, expect him to make a step next year. Forbort I wager will be steady. As a #6 he'll only see 15 minutes a game anyways, likely paired with Greene who'll see that same as well. The big question marks are will A-Mart step up his play and will Voynov comeback. If even one of those is a yes, we should be more than fine.



I agree. $4.15 million is very tolerable. $5.5 million or more isn't.



And explain how you give him $5.5 million and also sign Toffoli, Jones, etc. What's the line up look like Ron?

Brown / Kopitar / Gaborik
Toffoli / Carter / Pearson
King / Shore / Lewis
Clifford / Weal / Nolan

Muzzin / Doughty
Sekera / Voynov
Martinez / Greene

Quick
Jones

What's the problem? We aren't going to resign Williams, Stoll is gone, Andreoff gets sent down, Weal gets his chance. What's the problem?
 
I'm 100% behind you, Jason. I'm thankful for the effort and heart that RR displayed while a member of the Kings, but they had a hard time getting out of the zone when he was in there. I'll miss his physicality and leadership by example of being a warrior, but not much else.

Yea, for sure, good guy. Not meaning to destroy him or anything. It was just time for him to move on from a purely hockey perspective.
 
A deal that's one year shorter to a player one year younger at $1.6 mill less than what Sekera (reportedly) wants. All important factors.

Sekera is also a second pairing defenseman, a #3 guy, something Martinez isn't. Martinez being a 2nd/3rd pairing tweener at 4 million dollars is a luxury this team can't afford. He's either gotta play on the second pairing (where he doesn't belong IMO), or he's gotta go.
 
Oh yes, the 'possession stats.' How do your weak possession stats explain Regehr playing the third most ice time on the 4th best D team all season last year and him not getting killed out there then? They don't.

Ask Sutter that. He is notoriously reliant on veteran experience and "grit".

Also, it was not long ago that Robyn Regehr was a healthy scratch in the 2013-14 playoffs. Conveniently forgetting that? He played a lot because he felt the Kings had no other options. He did not trust McNabb enough yet, not because of ability but because of familiarity. He did the same thing to Martinez when he first came over as coach, likewise with Muzzin. Regehr was playing 20 minutes a night not because of contribution but because Sutter felt he had no other options.

Regehr isn't an offensive D-man. Never has been. He's there for one purpose, to keep the puck out of his net. Possession numbers don't benefit guys like him.

Then why do guys like Barret Jackman, Anton Stralman, or Nic Hjlamarsson have good possession stats while playing equally as difficult if not more difficult minutes than Regehr? Possession stats are not catered to one group or another.

End result indicates he did his job well. You simply do not play 67 games, playing the types of minutes he did, and walk away with a positive result in terms of goals against if he was so awful. You don't. If your numbers say he's so bad, yet he was a huge factor in the 4th best defense in the league, then perhaps that's a good indicator a guy like Regehr doesn't deserve to be measured by possession numbers isn't it?

Again, you are attributing and evaluating TEAM DEFENSIVE NUMBERS to one player. Saying he is a member of the 4th best defensive team is like saying Andrew Desjardins was part of the best offense in hockey, or that Dustin Tokarski was part of the best goals against goaltending tandem in the league.

If you isolate Regehr's numbers they aren't impressive. They are average at best. He was a decent defensive option, but should not have played more than 14-15 minutes on the third pair in an ideal world.

As for ice time allotment, I'm simply reply to your absurd suggestion Greene and Mcnabb would eat up Regehr's minutes. Sekera right now isn't an option unless he's resigned.


It is not absurd. McNabb played very well this year and Muzzin/Doughty/Martinez/McNabb are more than capable of taking an equal share of load on his deployment. Those four are incredibly capable defensemen. If you sign Sekera that's one more.

Regehr wasn't a "huge factor" as you put it. He was probably, at best, a 5-6 defenseman on this team this season that was forced into playing 20 minutes a night for various reasons. The Kings did suffer because of it. Not all because of him obviously, that's ridiculous. But forcing him to play those minutes because of injury/suspension/unfamiliarity with/of other players is part of why the Kings were not as effective possessing the puck, breaking out of the zone, or suppressing shots this year.
 
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Regehr filled his role well. He handles the puck like a hand grenade, but his defense was fine, amongst the top players on the team (and the 2nd top d-man to McNabb) in GA/60 and +/- / 60, suggesting he was doing that job better than most given his big minutes. By my eye I thought he had stretches of fantastic play and stretches of horrible, possibly due to injury/recovery. Big shoes to fill from the veteran, leader, defense standpoint, and while we can replace him in other ways, that's not something we TRULY have within (yet). McNabb may be a suped-up version of him as soon as next year. But none of these guys can fill Sekera's role except Voynov and MAYBE Martinez in limited minutes (which still doesn't really help the BIGGER problem of Doughty sucking down minutes).

We DO have to get younger, more mobile, and can't bring on MORE guys who can't handle the puck. Schultz is not a viable option to me. Efhank mentioned Forbort and I agree, but not in that role yet.
 
the thing is, you can't pencil in Forbort as a reliable option - we don't even know if the guy can play at an NHL level without being a liability.

We have Muzzin/Doughty and then there's a sharp dropoff to McNabb and Martinez. There's a real need for a stud #2-3 guy on that 2nd pairing to anchor us and eat up minutes, and unless we get Sekera or Voynov back then that's a real hole for us. I love A-Mart but he's just not that guy, at least not for 20+ minutes a game.
 
Brown / Kopitar / Gaborik
Toffoli / Carter / Pearson
King / Shore / Lewis
Clifford / Weal / Nolan

Muzzin / Doughty
Sekera / Voynov
Martinez / Greene

Quick
Jones

What's the problem? We aren't going to resign Williams, Stoll is gone, Andreoff gets sent down, Weal gets his chance. What's the problem?

that's a wet dream on paper, I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we went into next year icing that roster. Having Sekera/Voynov on 2nd pairing would be just disgusting.

I just get the bad feeling that there's too many moving parts and unknowns right now to reasonably think that will happen.
 
that's a wet dream on paper, I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we went into next year icing that roster. Having Sekera/Voynov on 2nd pairing would be just disgusting.

I just get the bad feeling that there's too many moving parts and unknowns right now to reasonably think that will happen.

Honestly, I don't see how it won't happen, assuming Voynov is found not guilty in his trial.
 
Honestly, I don't see how it won't happen, assuming Voynov is found not guilty in his trial.

well that's my main worry, that's a real big question mark right now which affects basically every other major move Dean would make.

otherwise yea, the rest of that isn't a stretch.
 
A world in which we somehow ice a 2nd pairing of Sekera-Voynov would be one in which the league craps itself. We'd have to move salary to make it happen, but that's an absolutely elite top 4.
 
Brown / Kopitar / Gaborik
Toffoli / Carter / Pearson
King / Shore / Lewis
Clifford / Weal / Nolan

Muzzin / Doughty
Sekera / Voynov
Martinez / Greene

Quick
Jones

What's the problem? We aren't going to resign Williams, Stoll is gone, Andreoff gets sent down, Weal gets his chance. What's the problem?

Assumptions
Richards 2M retained
Sekera at 5
Toffoli at 2.5

Puts that roster right at 72M... if the cap is 71.5 you could replace Clifford with a cheaper version and sneak under... if the cap is lower then more salary will need to come out.... swapping Greene for McNabb could be free up enough cash... then the only problem is Shore/Weal as the 3/4C

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If you move Brown (with no salary retained)
Brown Replacement 2.5 (or Lewis at 1.4! :laugh:)
Toffoli 2.5
Sekera 5
replace Greene with McNabb (Martinez plays offside)
puts you at around 70M.
 
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Brown / Kopitar / Gaborik
Toffoli / Carter / Pearson
King / Shore / Lewis
Clifford / Weal / Nolan

Muzzin / Doughty
Sekera / Voynov
Martinez / Greene

Quick
Jones

What's the problem? We aren't going to resign Williams, Stoll is gone, Andreoff gets sent down, Weal gets his chance. What's the problem?

That line up, if you assume Sekera gets $5.5 million comes to a cap hit of $63.215 million, and you still need to resign Toffoli, Shore, Weal, and Jones. That's the issue. If you assume Toffoli gets $3 million, which is not unreasonable, that leaves under $3 million for Shore, Weal and Jones, and if they just sign their qualifiers they will be pretty much exactly at $69 million.

Which then leaves you no room for injury recalls. not to mention when was the last time any NHL team went the full season carrying just 20 skaters? Normally the Kings carry 14 forwards and seven D and if you assume those extra three bodies each get paid about $700,000 each, which is likely going low, that's another $2.1 million to factor in.

So, using your line up, if we assume Sekera gets $5.5 million and Toffoli gets $3 million, and then Weal, Shore and Jones only take their qualifiers, and then the Kings go cheap on the healthy stratch/depth guys they will be carrying, they'd still be about $2 million over the cap.

And then we get to look at Richards who you didn't mention in here, so I assume you think someone is taking him off our hands. If that doesn't happen and we choose to go to a buy out, we'd be looking at a cap hit of I think $1.4 million next year for that.

So we'd be about $3.5 million give or take over the cap using that line up quite possibly and realistically. That's the problem.

Ask Sutter that. He is notoriously reliant on veteran experience and "grit".

Also, it was not long ago that Robyn Regehr was a healthy scratch in the 2013-14 playoffs. Conveniently forgetting that?

I love the spin. You must be a writer. Regehr was hurt and when he got healthy the team was doing well so Sutter didn't alter the lines. He did the same thing when Schultz went in the previous year and some guys got healthy. He didn't change anything until the team started to collapse against Chicago. he rolled with the hot team, not to mention IIRC Regehr aftr the playoffs said he wasn't ever back to 100%, he was just able to play with pain. Hardly a healthy scratch.

He played a lot because he felt the Kings had no other options.

And the fact he was playing well also.

He did not trust McNabb enough yet, not because of ability but because of familiarity. He did the same thing to Martinez when he first came over as coach, likewise with Muzzin. Regehr was playing 20 minutes a night not because of contribution but because Sutter felt he had no other options.

And each time the Kings D ended up being one of if not the best in the league. He went with the option that produced results. You are infurring what Sutter was doing, you are a journalist, back it up. Show me where Sutter said or even implied he played Regehr because he had no other options. It's all your opinion, nothing more, and as I said, the end result, regardless of your stats, show that the Kings routinely were among the league leaders with GAA and did so routinely with Regehr logging 20 minutes a night in situations where there is a higher risk of giving up a goal, like on the penalty kill.


Then why do guys like Barret Jackman, Anton Stralman, or Nic Hjlamarsson have good possession stats while playing equally as difficult if not more difficult minutes than Regehr? Possession stats are not catered to one group or another.

You can hand pick examples that buck the trend any time. Stralman btw is also far more of an offensive defenseman than any of Jackman, Hjalmarsson or Regehr combined. The guy had 39 points this year. He should have better possession stats, his game is far different than Regehr's.

Again, you are attributing and evaluating TEAM DEFENSIVE NUMBERS to one player. Saying he is a member of the 4th best defensive team is like saying Andrew Desjardins was part of the best offense in hockey, or that Dustin Tokarski was part of the best goals against goaltending tandem in the league.

No, I'm saying a guy that was third in ice time and basically tied for tops in PK time should get far more credit for the overall team success than you are giving him. If he was so bad while playing so many minutes, how did the team do so well defensively? His sheering 'awful' play should have cost the team more over a 67 game run.

Btw, once again, terrible examples. Desjardins was on Chicago for all of 13 games this season and Tokarski is a backup. Why not use examples of guys getting top six/top 4/or starter minutes?

Regehr wasn't a "huge factor" as you put it. He was probably, at best, a 5-6 defenseman on this team this season that was forced into playing 20 minutes a night for various reasons. The Kings did suffer because of it. Not all because of him obviously, that's ridiculous. But forcing him to play those minutes because of injury/suspension/unfamiliarity with/of other players is part of why the Kings were not as effective possessing the puck, breaking out of the zone, or suppressing shots this year.

How did the Kings suffer?

Not to mention, don't all teams suffer through injuries, etc? Regehr played by your accounting roughly five minutes a game more than he should have and we didn't fall apart. We did far better than other teams in fact. Having a 5-6 D-man in your top four 4 for roughly 60-65 games should kill most teams. It didn't kill us. Our offense killed us and that's on the team as a whole, namely forwards like Richards and Brown. LA's defense, including Regehr, had us worthly of home ice in the first round. We are golfing because of the offense.
 
A world in which we somehow ice a 2nd pairing of Sekera-Voynov would be one in which the league craps itself. We'd have to move salary to make it happen, but that's an absolutely elite top 4.

that's EASILY the best top 4 in the league in my opinion, and not even close

that's more or less why I think it won't happen lol
 
Not in your opinion they aren't. Do we all forget Muzzin in his rookie year and then how he looked in year two? McNabb looks a lot like Muzzin to me, expect him to make a step next year. Forbort I wager will be steady. As a #6 he'll only see 15 minutes a game anyways, likely paired with Greene who'll see that same as well. The big question marks are will A-Mart step up his play and will Voynov comeback. If even one of those is a yes, we should be more than fine.

I have already said multiple times that I am fine with McNabb in the top 4.

Muzzin - Doughty
McNabb - Sekera

Roll with this and let the rest sort itself out. Voynov likely will not be with the Kings next season. Martinez isn't suddenly going to become something he has never been on a consistent basis. He is a tweener 4-5 defenseman, and probably a luxury the Kings can no longer afford.
 
I have already said multiple times that I am fine with McNabb in the top 4.

Muzzin - Doughty
McNabb - Sekera

Roll with this and let the rest sort itself out. Voynov likely will not be with the Kings next season. Martinez isn't suddenly going to become something he has never been on a consistent basis. He is a tweener 4-5 defenseman, and probably a luxury the Kings can no longer afford.

well that's the thing, if we don't get Sekera or Voynov then you're looking at 2 of McNabb/Martinez/Forbort in the top 4 and I'm not really comfortable with any of those guys playing 20+ minutes a night yet tbh.
 
well that's the thing, if we don't get Sekera or Voynov then you're looking at 2 of McNabb/Martinez/Forbort in the top 4 and I'm not really comfortable with any of those guys playing 20+ minutes a night yet tbh.

Yeah, and we can't count on Voynov coming back. If the Kings want to contend for a cup next season, signing Sekera is a top priority.

Watching the Blackhawks play in the playoffs, just imagine what they would look like had they been able to swing a deal and get Sekera.
 
When injuries happen, you put in one of your 3 extra. You can go with 20 (but have to waive people to get there), but when someone out of the 20 gets hurt, you need to call up a guy, and now you are at 21 guys, and could be over the cap. Riding along a long time each day with 20 would build you more cap space daily, so maybe you have room, maybe you don't. Remember , you get relief on LTIR if a guy is out for the rest of the season. But this is something the league does not let teams play around with. So, what happens in effect is that if you bring someone back off injured reserve prior to the season ending, they redo your cap hit for the entire season as if the player was not on LTIR, and then if you actually used the cap relief while the injured player was on it, now you're back to many players and are over the cap and have to move people. Even though VV was put on LTIR, the Kings never used it, and if technically they did to get Sekera, it had to have been a minimal amount of dollars. They could have went out and spent all of VV $4M right away after the league put him there (which was just after McBain was signed), and they didn't. They held tight like they didn't need a rental, which you could argue whether it would have helped them if they got Sekera a couple months earlier than they did. Rentals don't have to happen at the trade deadline. They can happen whenever. But, DL's biggest fear early on was he'd get a rental early, the VV thing would clear somehow, he'd come back for the last week of the season, and then we would have to move people (waive) just to be under the cap. He didn't want to do it. Can't say I don't blame him. We were all talking like he'd be back for the playoffs. I know I went a little off point, but there's a reason why every team in the league carries the limit of 23. It's to keep players protected from waivers, and to have a place to put someone when an injury occurs. Stratch. When a regular IR occurs, you can increase your roster to 24, but all 24 count against the cap. There's no relief! You need cap space to do it. You can't send an injured player down to the minors and then call up a healthy one to circumvent the cap, let alone exposed to waivers. Like, kopitar gets a minor injury and will miss three games? Send him to the minors and bring someone up. He'd have to clear, and I have a feeling he wouldn't. So, I really think it's important to do cap calcs with a full 23 man roster. That's how DL is approaching it.
 
i'd go max $4.5m on a 4 year max term

therefore, if i were GM

Sekera would not be a King



he's most likely going to get $5.5m to $6m on a 6-7 year term
 
Someone has to be traded off this team if Sekera gets 5.5 million.

The Kings can't afford that, with the current contracts on the books. Also if Dean hands Sekera a contract longer than Four years, he will regret that in two seasons.
 
Someone has to be traded off this team if Sekera gets 5.5 million.

The Kings can't afford that, with the current contracts on the books. Also if Dean hands Sekera a contract longer than Four years, he will regret that in two seasons.

Wait, so a 5 year contract for Sekera is regrettable, but a six year contract for Martinez who is one year younger and a lesser player isn't? Sign Sekera, trade Martinez.
 
Assumptions
Richards 2M retained
Sekera at 5
Toffoli at 2.5

Puts that roster right at 72M... if the cap is 71.5 you could replace Clifford with a cheaper version and sneak under... if the cap is lower then more salary will need to come out.... swapping Greene for McNabb could be free up enough cash... then the only problem is Shore/Weal as the 3/4C

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If you move Brown (with no salary retained)
Brown Replacement 2.5 (or Lewis at 1.4! :laugh:)
Toffoli 2.5
Sekera 5
replace Greene with McNabb (Martinez plays offside)
puts you at around 70M.

That line up, if you assume Sekera gets $5.5 million comes to a cap hit of $63.215 million, and you still need to resign Toffoli, Shore, Weal, and Jones. That's the issue. If you assume Toffoli gets $3 million, which is not unreasonable, that leaves under $3 million for Shore, Weal and Jones, and if they just sign their qualifiers they will be pretty much exactly at $69 million.

Which then leaves you no room for injury recalls. not to mention when was the last time any NHL team went the full season carrying just 20 skaters? Normally the Kings carry 14 forwards and seven D and if you assume those extra three bodies each get paid about $700,000 each, which is likely going low, that's another $2.1 million to factor in.

So, using your line up, if we assume Sekera gets $5.5 million and Toffoli gets $3 million, and then Weal, Shore and Jones only take their qualifiers, and then the Kings go cheap on the healthy stratch/depth guys they will be carrying, they'd still be about $2 million over the cap.

And then we get to look at Richards who you didn't mention in here, so I assume you think someone is taking him off our hands. If that doesn't happen and we choose to go to a buy out, we'd be looking at a cap hit of I think $1.4 million next year for that.

So we'd be about $3.5 million give or take over the cap using that line up quite possibly and realistically. That's the problem.

I'll take a look at the actual numbers over the weekend and get back to you. We should be able to swing it with that particular line-up.
 
Wait, so a 5 year contract for Sekera is regrettable, but a six year contract for Martinez who is one year younger and a lesser player isn't? Sign Sekera, trade Martinez.

I feel way more comfortable trying to get a young prospect like Forbort or whoever to be the next Martinez than I would to be the next Sekera.
 

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