I guess how long it is till we see Askarov might hinge some on how well Ingram rebounds this year. Would be nice to see Ingram beat Rittich out of the backup roll by the end of the season.
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The KHL seems to have been an absolutely fantastic development league for goalies in recent years. You can't really extrapolate one player's success to another's, they all have their own individual circumstances. But certainly Russia in general seems to be churning out a lot of top goalie prospects lately. Letting Askarov continue to develop there for a couple more years seems like as good a bet as any.
I think that's possible if given the chance, but I think the best thing for Ingram is to get volume this year. He needs to play basically all of the Milwaukee games this year.
That is 76 games against 8 teams, 14 games against Chicago, 12 against GR and Rockford.
Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Ingram played 31 and 14 games in the last 2 seasons. I think 45-50 games is his limit.
I think we are about on the same page. I sounded over the top with my wording. I just think he needs a heavy majority of starts.
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Agreed. I mean, if he isn't playing well and/or Vomacka/Cooley play great, who knows, that could change based on actual performance. But if he's at his own standards and the others aren't at his level, I'd still shoot for 60 games for him, anyway. Yes, 60 games. He hasn't had that in the past. But could benefit from it.
Of course, if he keeps doing so well in camp, we flip to the other worry... whether Buffalo or Arizona think of claiming him on waivers. :S
Ingram looks back to form at camp. My worry is if you look at Buffalos goalie situation I can’t see Ingram passing through waivers
I hadn't thought of waiver concerns. Do you cut Rittich at this stage if you are that concerned with losing Ingram?
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I mean, Buffalo's goalies are: Craig Anderson, Ukka-Pekka Laukkonen (waiver exempt) and Aaron Dell. There isn't a clear NHL candidate there at all, aside from they think/hope they can try Laukkonen.
Arizona's goales are: Carter Hutton and Josef Korenar (waiver exempt).
All these goalies are on league-minimum contracts and it's not clear any of them can handle the NHL. Now that may be exactly what Buffalo and Arizona are banking on as they go all-out on Tanking this year. But stealing another team's prospect on waivers like Ingram might not be a bad call for them, it costs them nothing whatsoever, no actual NHL asset would be displaced.
It was kind of a mild concern when it was suggested in the offseason, since Ingram was coming off such a disastrous year and nobody knew how or if he might rebound. But if he keeps showing far better in camp, well, it may change things.
Teams would almost certainly pilfer Rittich if we exposed him instead, though. And we have a bit of an overload on skater candidates as it is too, so carrying 3 goalies isn't attractive. So I think this elevates from a "pfft, who cares" item to something to keep a bit of an eye on.
Arizona's goales are: Carter Hutton and Josef Korenar (waiver exempt).
All these goalies are on league-minimum contracts and it's not clear any of them can handle the NHL. Now that may be exactly what Buffalo and Arizona are banking on as they go all-out on Tanking this year. But stealing another team's prospect on waivers like Ingram might not be a bad call for them, it costs them nothing whatsoever, no actual NHL asset would be displaced.
It was kind of a mild concern when it was suggested in the offseason, since Ingram was coming off such a disastrous year and nobody knew how or if he might rebound. But if he keeps showing far better in camp, well, it may change things.
Teams would almost certainly pilfer Rittich if we exposed him instead, though. And we have a bit of an overload on skater candidates as it is too, so carrying 3 goalies isn't attractive. So I think this elevates from a "pfft, who cares" item to something to keep a bit of an eye on.
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We could send all waiver exempt down and field play both cousins and Grimaldi. On defense wed have to decide if we want to keep harpur, benning, and Boro in the nhl or try to sneak one down. We could carry 3 goalies but it almost certainly means keeping a player or two in the ahl that should probably be in the nhl
If losing Ingram to waivers is truly an issue then keep 3 goalies for the time being and get rid of Rocco. That "little" experiment has run it's course.
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I mean, Buffalo's goalies are: Craig Anderson, Ukka-Pekka Laukkonen (waiver exempt) and Aaron Dell. There isn't a clear NHL candidate there at all, aside from they think/hope they can try Laukkonen.
Arizona's goales are: Carter Hutton and Josef Korenar (waiver exempt).
All these goalies are on league-minimum contracts and it's not clear any of them can handle the NHL. Now that may be exactly what Buffalo and Arizona are banking on as they go all-out on Tanking this year. But stealing another team's prospect on waivers like Ingram might not be a bad call for them, it costs them nothing whatsoever, no actual NHL asset would be displaced.
It was kind of a mild concern when it was suggested in the offseason, since Ingram was coming off such a disastrous year and nobody knew how or if he might rebound. But if he keeps showing far better in camp, well, it may change things.
Teams would almost certainly pilfer Rittich if we exposed him instead, though. And we have a bit of an overload on skater candidates as it is too, so carrying 3 goalies isn't attractive. So I think this elevates from a "pfft, who cares" item to something to keep a bit of an eye on.
I think that Hutton could play if he was on a good NHL team.
Last season, Buffalo won 15 games and lost 34 (7). The best Sabre goalie (Ullmark) was 9-6-3 with .917 save%. The other five were not good. Hutton was third best. Even with a 1-10-1 record, he is still a winning NHL goalie at 35 years old.
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My daughter texted me at lunch about the Preds losing Pitlick on waivers to the retirement home for Nashville players also called the Minnesota Wild.
I thought that the Preds are trying to have more scoring and a physically larger team?
Nashville should have kept Rem & traded Grimaldi. Rocco is worth more to other teams and is 5'6".
More proof that Poile has no idea of how to choose or retain forwards.
Why keep a scoring midget (I actually like Rocco) who is 4 years older and 5 or 6 inches shorter than Pitlick?
Doesn't that go against the above in bold?
Rocco does have NHL experience way beyond Pitlick. Rem could score 7-10 goals this year vs Rocco's 20.
In 2 or 3 seasons, I would expect those numbers to reverse. Even after 3 seasons, Rem would still be a year younger than Grimaldi is right now. That is my long term thinking.
Is Poile going for a "win now" season to keep his job? Hasn't he mortgaged the Preds future enough?
What about Cousins? Why is he coming back? My math says he scores 23 points this season.
Can anybody explain what is going on?
I understood the Ellis move for an oft injured small Dman. I am not getting this at all.
My daughter texted me at lunch about the Preds losing Pitlick on waivers to the retirement home for Nashville players also called the Minnesota Wild.
I thought that the Preds are trying to have more scoring and a physically larger team?
Nashville should have kept Rem & traded Grimaldi. Rocco is worth more to other teams and is 5'6".
More proof that Poile has no idea of how to choose or retain forwards.
Why keep a scoring midget (I actually like Rocco) who is 4 years older and 5 or 6 inches shorter than Pitlick?
Doesn't that go against the above in bold?
Rocco does have NHL experience way beyond Pitlick. Rem could score 7-10 goals this year vs Rocco's 20.
In 2 or 3 seasons, I would expect those numbers to reverse. Even after 3 seasons, Rem would still be a year younger than Grimaldi is right now. That is my long term thinking.
Is Poile going for a "win now" season to keep his job? Hasn't he mortgaged the Preds future enough?
What about Cousins? Why is he coming back? My math says he scores 23 points this season.
Can anybody explain what is going on?
I understood the Ellis move for an oft injured small Dman. I am not getting this at all.
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I agree in general on the Pitlick/Grimaldi side of things.
I disagree on the Cousins side of things. I think he played pretty darn well for us, up to and including playoffs. Some stretches the coach put him out where he didn't quite belong, but that doesn't really change the fact that he's a very valid bottom-6 NHL player.
I don't think Poile has to worry about keeping his job in any traditional sense. He has the job no matter what he does, as long as he wants it. Just at 70+ we start to wonder if maybe one day soon he won't want it anymore?
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It would have made no sense to keep Pitlick as the 13th or 14th forward, which is what he would have been. He needed to be in the AHL playing 1st line every night. Poile probably thought he would make it through waivers and is probably pissed but also knows that if the Wild dont keep Rem for 30 days on their NHL roster we can get him back and then send him down. Grimaldi will be press box fodder most of the season.
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I honestly don't think they thought Pitlick would be claimed. But Minny is addicted to Preds players...
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Blows my mind that Poile didn't think he would get picked up but I called it as soon as I heard about it. 
Preds decisions are hard. They didn’t have room for Pitlick; he didn’t make the team in camp. He is eligible for waivers per the NHLPA Agreement. So what does Poile do? He could try for a trade but who gives up a player or pick for Pitlick during camp? What other alternatives does Poile have? Preds had invested a lot of money in his development and it didn’t happen for him. I’m sure the Preds were disappointed but waivers was all they could try. Good luck to him and don’t blame Poile.
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The Preds had lots of time to watch him last year. He was with the team most of the season on the Taxi Squad. I doubt they were playing any spy games thinking they could "slip him through" the waiver process on a quiet day or anything. He didn't even make it to the final cuts. Milwaukee is going to be more disappointed about this than anybody.
Plus, Minnesota was like 23rd or 24th on waiver priority. So Pitlick wasn't a hot commodity that teams were fawning over.
And we don't know if Poile tried to work out any deals, a lot of teams might be happy to give Pitlick a chance but don't want to give up a pick for him, or at least not whatever Poile was asking. So Poile knows there's always the chance the player is claimed, but also knows nobody bit on a trade so the chances of sneaking through at better. And the way it played out, 75% of the league did pass on him and others beyond Minnesota might have as well. It only takes one GM with a "wild" plan to disrupt expectations.
And we don't know if Poile tried to work out any deals, a lot of teams might be happy to give Pitlick a chance but don't want to give up a pick for him, or at least not whatever Poile was asking. So Poile knows there's always the chance the player is claimed, but also knows nobody bit on a trade so the chances of sneaking through at better. And the way it played out, 75% of the league did pass on him and others beyond Minnesota might have as well. It only takes one GM with a "wild" plan to disrupt expectations.
Meant to ask this before. Is that 30 days from the beginning of the season or do preseason days count toward that?
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