Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) LXXXI

[cgf]

Why not put talbot as 4th line center and put cliche in the press box?

After reading your point it is clear that this is more of an injury/depth and prospect talent problem than a Roy problem though. Having McGinn and Winchester out for the entire season really took away forward depth. Rendulic came in and was decent but then even he got hurt, and I know bords gets a lot of flack but I like him and he is a great 12/13 forward because his effort level is there and the team really seems to like him. Assuming no trades or FA signings the roster next year could look something like

tanguay - duchene - iginla
lando - ror - mack
everberg - mitchell - mcginn
mcleod - winchester - rendulic (although I hate putting him on the fourth line)
(Cliche/Bords)

*you could change tanguay/everberg/mcginn around as well. And role mcginn - duchene - iginla then tanguay - mitchell - everberg

And maybe even the year after that pencil in bleackley to the number 3 center role would be good too. I have seen him play about a dozen times in Red Deer and although he is not an elite talent by any means, he has enough skill and finish to fit in for spot duty in the top 6 and should easily be a reliable 3rd line center.

Man I wish this season was over.....

I'd rather let Rendulic focus on his offense in the AHL than playing him on the 4th line. Although depending on how much they are played I could be down for a Highlander - Winchester - Everbeast 4th line with Rendo on the third next to Malkin and McGinn/Tanguay. My ideal lines for next year, assuming no big trades or signings:

McGinn/Tangs - Duchene - Iginla
Landeskog - O'Reilly* - Mackinnon
McGinn/Tangs - Malkin - EVB/Rendo
Highlander - Winchester - EVB/Bordy

*if ROR is traded we'll need to make something happen to fill his shoes until MacK is ready to play C unsupervised.

 

[RockLobster]

If people want to continue breaking the Site Rules, I'm more than happy to continue handing out Infractions...I don't really want to do that though.

Get your acts together.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

They give full scholarships (well .. I guess it depends on what full means to you). They should cover tuition, food, and place to stay. I think even non-top schools pay for one or two flights home for the player.

Thanks. Sounds the same as football and basketball. Basically enough to pay for school, housing, food and enough to get by on. Was just curious because I don't like the idea of these kids getting paid to play. They are already getting a free education, etc, which is very expensive. However, athletes that are not in full scholarships should be allowed to get paid for their talents. I don't see how these guys do it. They have to go to school and study full time, they have to put in many hours for athletics, and on top of that they have to work to pay for their schooling unless they hot rich mommies and daddies. I would be all for making a rule where these kids could sign contracts right away and still be allowed to play for their college.

Hm this is a good question actually. For me it changes based on the night. Stuart and Guenin seem to crash harder when they are bad it's REALLY bad. Redmond is better when he's not asked to do too much and the fancy stats people seem to believe he's decent. Holden seems to have longer peaks and valleys. Considering the money Stuart is the worst. The guy with the least amount of talent is Guenin.

Great post.

 

[agentblack]

Doesnt look like Mike Reilly will have to worry about suitors this summer

although im pretty sure his dads association with the Wild should at the very least put us right there with CLB

 

[AvsFan2123]

So what has everyone thought of the newcomers so far? If I had to pick who I liked more, it's Caron. Hamilton has impressed me some, but I personally think these two are in over their heads right now. They've been playing top 6 in the AHL for a portion this year, then jump straight to playing top 6 in the NHL. They shouldn't be there, but I have seen aspects of their game that prove them to be capable NHLers. I think they would both make very effective 4th liners. Caron has been battling down low, winning battles, playing a good simple cycle game, and being sound defensively. Hamilton has been pretty similar, and has done well on faceoffs. People might think negatively of them because they're dragging down the offense, which they probably are, but I believe its because there's higher expectations with them being in top 6.

Overall, I like the acquisitions, but I hope their roles get adjusted to something more managable for them.

 

[tigervixxxen]

So what has everyone thought of the newcomers so far? If I had to pick who I liked more, it's Caron. Hamilton has impressed me some, but I personally think these two are in over their heads right now. They've been playing top 6 in the AHL for a portion this year, then jump straight to playing top 6 in the NHL. They shouldn't be there, but I have seen aspects of their game that prove them to be capable NHLers. I think they would both make very effective 4th liners. Caron has been battling down low, winning battles, playing a good simple cycle game, and being sound defensively. Hamilton has been pretty similar, and has done well on faceoffs. People might think negatively of them because they're dragging down the offense, which they probably are, but I believe its because there's higher expectations with them being in top 6.

Overall, I like the acquisitions, but I hope their roles get adjusted to something more managable for them.

Can't really disagree, I agree that both have been fine but are playing in roles over their heads. I'd still like to see what Caron could do with the puck for more than two seconds but people have said it still won't be anything and that's fine. I like how he forechecks, he's good in the corners. Maybe see what he can do with Landy and Hamilton with Duchene just to mix it up.

 

[Iceberg]

So what has everyone thought of the newcomers so far? If I had to pick who I liked more, it's Caron. Hamilton has impressed me some, but I personally think these two are in over their heads right now. They've been playing top 6 in the AHL for a portion this year, then jump straight to playing top 6 in the NHL. They shouldn't be there, but I have seen aspects of their game that prove them to be capable NHLers. I think they would both make very effective 4th liners. Caron has been battling down low, winning battles, playing a good simple cycle game, and being sound defensively. Hamilton has been pretty similar, and has done well on faceoffs. People might think negatively of them because they're dragging down the offense, which they probably are, but I believe its because there's higher expectations with them being in top 6.

Overall, I like the acquisitions, but I hope their roles get adjusted to something more managable for them.

Caron hasn't been impressive at all, IMO. It was very telling that McLeod looked MUCH better than him when he took Caron's spot last game.

Duchene's line had been invisible since Caron arrived, until last game, and he ended up watching from the bench in the 3rd.

Hamilton looks like a serviceable 4th liner and that's fine.

All in all, they are just fine considering what we gave up to get them, but ideally they will be in the AHL to start next season.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

I think Caron and Hamilton have been okay, but, yeah they're definitely in over their heads. Next season I could see the team looking something like:

Landy-ROR-MacK
McGinn-Dutchy-Iggy
Tangs-FreeAgent-Everberg
McLeod-Mitchell-Caron

With either Cliche or Bordy as the 13th F and Hamilton going back to playing tough minutes in the AHL. If Winchester makes a full recovery then he'll either be battling for that 12th forward spot with Caron or they won't add that big, defensive 3C Roy covets and just keep Malkin there.

And if ROR is traded then that throws a wrench into the whole thing.

 

[Iceberg]

I think Caron and Hamilton have been okay, but, yeah they're definitely in over their heads. Next season I could see the team looking something like:

Landy-ROR-MacK
McGinn-Dutchy-Iggy
Tangs-FreeAgent-Everberg
McLeod-Mitchell-Caron

With either Cliche or Bordy as the 13th F and Hamilton going back to playing tough minutes in the AHL. If Winchester makes a full recovery then he'll either be battling for that 12th forward spot with Caron or they won't add that big, defensive 3C Roy covets and just keep Malkin there.

And if ROR is traded then that throws a wrench into the whole thing.

I would rather have Hamilton in that 4th line role than Caron.

If we keep ROR i could see McGinn traded and Everberg getting his spot and maybe Rendulic as the 3 RW.

 

[tucker3434]

I would rather have Hamilton in that 4th line role than Caron.

If we keep ROR i could see McGinn traded and Everberg getting his spot and maybe Rendulic as the 3 RW.

I hope we don't trade McGinn. He's pretty much our only legit 3rd liner. I hope we can add a UFA center and finally roll a respectable 3rd line with:

McGinn-UFA-Everberg

Then a bottom line of

McLeod-Mitchell-Plug

It should take too much to turn our bottom six from one of the worst to one of he better ones.

 

[Avs71]

If Bordeleau is healthy, he will play. May as well pencil him in on the fourth line.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

If Bordeleau is healthy, he will play. May as well pencil him in on the fourth line.

I think we've missed him more than people realize too.

A 4th line of McLeod - Winchester - Bordeleau would have changed so many things this year in my opinion. It's a subtle change, but far more profound than people might realize being able to trust your 4th line.

 

[tucker3434]

If Bordeleau is healthy, he will play. May as well pencil him in on the fourth line.

You're probably right. I would definitely prefer if he rotated with McLeod and we got someone with a bit more skill to play the right side, but I doubt hat happens.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

I hope we don't trade McGinn. He's pretty much our only legit 3rd liner. I hope we can add a UFA center and finally roll a respectable 3rd line with:

Agreed about McGinn.

If he had been healthy this year and had a decent season, I could have seen him as a part of a deal this summer to get a D man, but his trade value is not going to be equal to his actual potential value to the Avs roster as a tweener 2nd/3rd line winger to the Avs roster because was out all season.

 

[Foppa2118]

Hejda's mistakes in the D zone are becoming more frequent and he has zero puck skill. Time to move on. They already messed up by not moving him for a pick, don't make it even worse by extending him now.

You think maybe that might be due to having to shut down opposing teams top players essentially by himself without EJ?

Hejda making mistakes on the top pairing does not mean he's not better than Holden, Guenin, Redmond, and even Stuart in a lesser role. Anyone asking for Hejda to be cut loose can't complain about any of those guys next year.

 

[Avs_19]

You think maybe that might be due to having to shut down opposing teams top players essentially by himself without EJ?

Hejda making mistakes on the top pairing does not mean he's not better than Holden, Guenin, Redmond, and even Stuart in a lesser role. Anyone asking for Hejda to be cut loose can't complain about any of those guys next year.

Hejda is much better than those guys you listed there. I've said that many times. Problem is they're already signed and no one is touching that Stuart contract. Hejda is a bottom pairing defenseman at this point but we have enough of those already. Playing him with Stuart would be a disaster since neither one can really skate or move the puck.

Since when did Hejda become the only other option out there? Why is it "we bring back Hejda or it's Holden, Guenin, Redmond, and Stuart"?

Do the smart thing for once and cut bait before he completely falls off a cliff. Don't wait for that to happen and then start scrambling for a replacement midseason.

 

[Foppa2118]

Hejda is much better than those guys you listed there. I've said that many times. Problem is they're already signed and no one is touching that Stuart contract. Hejda is a bottom pairing defenseman at this point but we have enough of those already. Playing him with Stuart would be a disaster since neither one can really skate or move the puck.

Since when did Hejda become the only other option out there? Why is it "we bring back Hejda or it's Holden, Guenin, Redmond, and Stuart"?

Them being signed isn't a factor. Without Hejda, someone like Guenin is going to be in the lineup likely playing next to Barrie. With Hejda on the 2nd or 3rd pairing, he'll be eating nachos.

 

[Avs_19]

Isles trade for and then re-sign good defensemen, even though they may have overpaid a bit in both cases. Still, good job by them.

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Fairish deal I feel like. Defensemen are expensive so the deal isn't a surprise. Isles just better hope he doesn't fall off of a cliff anytime soon.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

EJ is going to get paid. I wouldn't pay Boychuk that much, personally.

 

[AvsRobin]

Oh boy that's gonna hurt in a few years I think. Gotta get him signed though.

 

[Iceberg]

Isles trade for and then re-sign good defensemen, even though they may have overpaid a bit in both cases. Still, good job by them.

Hopefully we can get Johnson to sign a similar deal.

 

[Avs_19]

Them being signed isn't a factor. Without Hejda, someone like Guenin is going to be in the lineup likely playing next to Barrie. With Hejda on the 2nd or 3rd pairing, he'll be eating nachos.

Again, why is Hejda the only option and the only guy who will prevent this from happening?

I've said many times that I'd love Hejda back on the bottom pairing but not with Stuart already on the team.

 

[Foppa2118]

Isles trade for and then re-sign good defensemen, even though they may have overpaid a bit in both cases. Still, good job by them.

I think he's a tad overpaid, but I thought he'd be overpaid by more.

 

[Foppa2118]

Again, why is Hejda the only option and the only guy who will prevent this from happening?

I've said many times that I'd love Hejda back on the bottom pairing but not with Stuart already on the team.

He's not the "only" option, but among the options, he's the only one that's currently on the team, and wants to stay, very likely for a reasonable price.

Stuart and Hejda play different sides, and both are fine on the team IMO especially if Bigras is ready. Stuart would make the perfect partner for him, the way he did with Vlassic who told Roy lots of good things about how he helped him break into the league.

XX - EJ
Hejda - Barrie
Bigras/Holden - Stuart