Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) LIV

[Avs44]

I wouldn't write off any goaltender with that size and athleticism. With the right enviroment, the right coach etc..

He couldn't succeed behind a defense with MDZ, Josi, Weber, and Jones.

 

[henchman21]

Lots on twitter now.

Pagnotta and Dreger says Sens are exploring the idea of trading Spezza. Moulson is missing from Sabres morning skate. Detroit is interested in Ehrhoff and Islanders offers on MacDonald suggests he is a 3rd pairing defenseman on a top 10 team.

So the offers are a late 2nd or a 3rd + 4th/5th...

 

[Freudian]

I wouldn't write off any goaltender with that size and athleticism. With the right enviroment, the right coach etc..

He's not really athletic though. He is just big. He always struggled with shots from the blue line because he can't react or make saves. If he's not in position, he's screwed.

He's not a Rinne or Bishop. Those guys can make saves.

 

[henchman21]

He couldn't succeed behind a defense with MDZ, Josi, Weber, and Jones.

MDZ is bad is his own end, Jones is a rookie... they are actually pretty poor this season defensively.

He's not really athletic though. He is just big. He always struggled with shots from the blue line because he can't react or make saves. If he's not in position, he's screwed.

Positioning is what Allaire excels at teaching. As a backup, Dubnyk would be a solid option. Trotz (?) said he was a mess from the coaching he was getting in Edmonton. With proper coaching I can see him as a solid backup.

Saw this on twitter:

 

[hockeyfish]

He couldn't succeed behind a defense with MDZ, Josi, Weber, and Jones.

Kind of hard to draw that conclusion from 2 games.

 

[hockeyfish]

Something big is about to happen. I can feel it in my bones.

 

[AvsRobin]

Moulson has not been dealt. Supposed to play tonight next to Hodgson and Stewart.

 

[hockeyfish]

Someone asked Dater which players Calgary was scouting at the Avs and Monsters game. Thats the 1st I've heard of someone scouting the Monsters.

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Moulson has not been dealt. Supposed to play tonight next to Hodgson and Stewart.

Supposed to, we'll see if it happens

 

[EdAVSfan]

Is it funny how one season changes expectations of players?

I made a Stostny for Gardiner thread in the summer and I got ripped to shreads by Leaf fans for it, now they would easily make that trade.

Then I remember that even Sens fans were effin crazy about Cowen; wanted massive overpayment in all threads, now they would easily take Parenteau or Stostny for him straight up or in a package.

I would take Cowen much more than Myers, Tyler has better potential and probably will be the better player no doubt. But Cowen could be grown into the new Hejda.

As fans, we care way too much about the "what have you done for me lately" angle.

Its natural to be done on players when they dont meet expectations, or to be really high on guys when theyre having great years.

But Ive said this numerous times, and ill say it again. The time to trade for players is when theyre down. We need to be buying low on players.

Our problem, like all other fans, is we dont want the guys struggling, we only want the guys playing well, or showing promise. You cant go after guys after theyve rebounded, or when theyre having good years. We have to continue to buy low and sell high like we've done in the past.

Taking chances on those buy low players is your best chance of getting the best team for the future.

 

[henchman21]

As fans, we care way too much about the "what have you done for me lately" angle.

Its natural to be done on players when they dont meet expectations, or to be really high on guys when theyre having great years.

But Ive said this numerous times, and ill say it again. The time to trade for players is when theyre down. We need to be buying low on players.

Our problem, like all other fans, is we dont want the guys struggling, we only want the guys playing well, or showing promise. You cant go after guys after theyve rebounded, or when theyre having good years. We have to continue to buy low and sell high like we've done in the past.

Taking chances on those buy low players is your best chance of getting the best team for the future.

Management has a much different view of players than fans do. Rarely do players that are playing well have as much value as fans thing, and players playing poorly have more value than people think. On top of that, prospects that are unproven and not high picks, have very little value.

On top of that, reclamation projects only work a small amount of the time.

 

[Foppa2118]

I really think all this Stastny talk is just Dater returning favors to Roy for giving him info in the past. They probably saw it work in New York with Girardi, and want to put a little pressure on Staz to soften a bit in his demands and sign for $5.9M or something.

Unless they get blown out of the water with a trade offer, I don't see them trading Staz. He's such a popular player, and they're about to make the playoffs for the first time in a while, and maybe even be a bit dangerous. Even if they lose him for free, it just makes too much sense to keep him. They instantly become a worse team, and I don't see a return that will replace him for the run this year.

You can't compare trade returns in past years like Douglas Murray or Gaustad. It's so situational, the returns can be totally different. The interest might not even be there.

To get a top notch return, it will have to be a team in the playoff hunt that's looking for a 2nd line center next season, and has the cap space to afford $6M or so next year, and the prorated $6.6M this year. That dwindles the list of teams. Otherwise he's more of a clear cut rental. Lesser players are easier to see being re-signed because they're cheaper and easier to fit into the lineup.

Staz can net a good return but it's not as easy as some think. Given the price tag he'll command to re-sign, many teams would rather just wait to get him as a UFA, than give up a bunch of assets and then hope they can re-sign him at that high price.

Given all of that, I would be very surprised to see him traded this year.

 

[klozge]

Moulson has not been dealt. Supposed to play tonight next to Hodgson and Stewart.

I read he was sick and couldn't practice because of it.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I don't think Stastny will be re-signed by the deadline. Whether that means he will be traded or not I have no idea but based on the little interview Dater just posted it seems like there are very limited talks for negotiating a contract.

The interview asks how he feels about recent trade rumors and he says he cant help what happens but he's jsut trying to play hockey. It seems that he realizes he may be traded where if he knew he was close to a new contract he would be more confident that he wont be moved.

 

[Ivan13]

You should read Travis Yost on HockeyBuzz...he rips Cowen regularly, but he has the evidence to back it up. Even when Cowen was holding out and eventually got paid decently he thought it was a bad gamble.

I agree Ceci and Wiercioch are decent and could develop, but I wouldn't bet on Cowen. Dude just strikes me as having ZERO hockey sense. I mean, seriously, just look at him.

I doubt there's much in the way of common sense, much less hockey sense, going on in there.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll look it up.

 

[bohlmeister]

I think the Stastny stuff is just Dater trying to get some hits the next few days.

 

[Avs71]

Dater put up a video of Stastny responding to his name in trade rumours. He seemed kind of surprised and irritated by the question. Maybe this is my imagination since I really want him to stay, but that’s how I interpreted his mood. Which makes me think, can you imagine being traded off this team right before playoffs? I think Stastny is still an Avs player on Thursday. With or without a contract.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Dater put up a video of Stastny responding to his name in trade rumours. He seemed kind of surprised and irritated by the question. Maybe this is my imagination since I really want him to stay, but that’s how I interpreted his mood. Which makes me think, can you imagine being traded off this team right before playoffs? I think Stastny is still an Avs player on Thursday. With or without a contract.

The feeling I got was that he felt it was possible. If Stastny was close on a new contract I think he would have felt pretty confident in saying he's not too worried about being moved. He had more of a "that's the business side" mentality and that it's always a possibility and all he can control is his play on the ice.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Would have been nice if Dater had asked a question, you know something about negotiations. They could ask anyone outside of Duchene if they are stressed about the trade deadline. Why are the media so handcuffed or unable to ask any actual questions? Just stand there and film him giving the standard answer provides nothing.

 

[klozge]

Would have been nice if Dater had asked a question, you know something about negotiations. They could ask anyone outside of Duchene if they are stressed about the trade deadline. Why are the media so handcuffed or unable to ask any actual questions? Just stand there and film him giving the standard answer provides nothing.

I don't think Avs allow him to do that.

 

[Avs71]

#Avs Paul Stastny says again he wants to stay in Colorado & can't worry about trade rumors/speculation #ColoradoAvalanche #NHLTradeDeadline

From Rick Sadowski's twitter. Nothing new.

 

[Avs44]

From Rick Sadowski's twitter. Nothing new.

If this is actually true(Stastny wants to stay here regardless of future role, etc) and they are negotiating, I find it a bit worrying they've not agreed to anything yet.

 

[Avsboy]

If this is actually true(Stastny wants to stay here regardless of future role, etc) and they are negotiating, I find it a bit worrying they've not agreed to anything yet.

What Stastny wants, and what his agent wants, are two different things.

 

[CalderKing21]

What Stastny wants, and what his agent wants, are two different things.

Yes this is true. However, if they feeling is that they will eventually reach a new agreement then they likely won't trade him.

 

[henchman21]

If this is actually true(Stastny wants to stay here regardless of future role, etc) and they are negotiating, I find it a bit worrying they've not agreed to anything yet.

These things tend to take time, and what is being offered and what the player/agent want are frequently two different things.