Waived: Ilya Samsonov - Recalled by the Leafs 1/10/24

[Darcy Tucker]

Is Samsonov going to be back next season ? Probably not. So why not give Hildeby some playing time? See what he can do. Can't be any worse than what Samsonov has provided.

 

[Jmo89]

Didn't want Hildeby getting cold.

Hopefully this is it. If it's more about getting Hildeby some games rather than Samsonov some games I'm fine with that. Based on his play this season Sammy should be the distant back up to Jones.

 

[Cams]

So a week to 10 days and he is “cured”? I don’t know.

Let's leave it to those in the organization to determine that. The Leafs have probably the best of the best in all aspects of the game off ice.

Otherwise having the Leafs board making that call would be comical. Don't forget all the "doctors" on here diagnosing the likes of Liljegren and Woll with their injuries by watching replays on TV or YouTube.

 

[ACC1224]

Hopefully this is it. If it's more about getting Hildeby some games rather than Samsonov some games I'm fine with that. Based on his play this season Sammy should be the distant back up to Jones.

I'm sure they are thinking about all players but I would doubt they are prioritizing Hildeby over Samsonov at this point.

 

[Ciao]

I don't feel bad about Hildeby not yet getting a start. His day will come.

In the meantime, he's had a week or more of big-league pay on a two-way contract. He's had a nice, pleasant trip to California in January, and the chance to eat, sleep and travel with the team he'll be joining soon enough.

Even without his NHL debut, it's been kind of a nice, gentle precursor to his eventual promotion to the NHL. It could make his dreams of joining the Leafs sometime soon a bit more concrete. Maybe it helps his professional development, even without a big-league start.

 

[Gallagbi]

Let's leave it to those in the organization to determine that. The Leafs have probably the best of the best in all aspects of the game off ice.

Otherwise having the Leafs board making that call would be comical. Don't forget all the "doctors" on here diagnosing the likes of Liljegren and Woll with their injuries by watching replays on TV or YouTube.

In fairness the whole point of this place is to discuss our personal takes rather than deferring to what the team has chosen.

For me, I'm surprised. This feels short and I definitely expected a start or two with the Marlies. I assume they're concerned how that could impact his confidence

 

[Ciao]

Let's leave it to those in the organization to determine that. The Leafs have probably the best of the best in all aspects of the game off ice.

Otherwise having the Leafs board making that call would be comical. Don't forget all the "doctors" on here diagnosing the likes of Liljegren and Woll with their injuries by watching replays on TV or YouTube.

I agree.

I don't think the Leafs are going to share Samsonov's clinical notes outside of his circle of care.

Here I'm assuming that a significant portion of his off-ice work should have included psychological counseling, and we really can't make assumptions about how that's been going or about his plan of care.

 

[Niagara Bill]

So who do the Leafs move to let Samsonov see if he can play?
Since when us the NHL a test case. Hildeby doesn’t get to try?
Samsonov had more failures than success. If he wasn't being paid 3.5 he would not be in the city.
Shake his hand, send him to the doctors, come see me in June

 

[tmlms13]

This feels almost exactly like Alek Manoah with the Jays.

You cant fix anything in two weeks.

 

[ICBM]

This feels almost exactly like Alek Manoah with the Jays.

You cant fix anything in two weeks.

No. Samsonov just got himself together enough to be able to sit on the bench. And Hildenby is needed to play for the Marlies.

 

[Fogelhund]

Oh no... Leafs fans jumping to conclusions, without any facts, and having a Meltdown at lunch... Nothing new really.

We don't know anything about this... is it cap gymnastics? Is it to get Hildeby the game on the 12th with the Marlies?

Is Samsonov actually going to play, or just sit on the bench?

We could see Jones play the 11th and 13th, and Hildeby the 14th... using the 12th to get him game ready again... as he's sat for a bit. Hildeby hasn't played since December 30th.... he needs games.

Maybe put a pause on the meltdown, until we actually have some accurate info as to what is going on here.

 

[Ciao]

So who do the Leafs move to let Samsonov see if he can play? They sent Hildeby down to make room. If Samsonov sticks with the Leafs -- which is not very likely -- then they might keep three goalies and waive a defenceman -- most likely Lagesson

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Since when us the NHL a test case. Hildeby doesn’t get to try? The Leafs need to make a decision on Samsonov, and need to see him play if they think he's ready. Hildeby will get his chance, probably sooner than later.

Samsonov had more failures than success. Debateable. He might still be an NHL-calibre goalie. They don't grow on trees.

If he wasn't being paid 3.5 he would not be in the city. True.

Shake his hand, send him to the doctors, come see me in June ???? The playoffs are over, and his contact expires then. The Leafs are probably trying to figure out the best path for the team between now and then.

See above comments.

 

[Ciao]

This feels almost exactly like Alek Manoah with the Jays.

You cant fix anything in two weeks.

Probably not.

Samsonov is not an angry, arrogant SOB who fights the team's management and thinks the sun shines out his ass.

He's a mentally fragile young man playing a high-pressure pro sport in a foreign country.

I don't think two weeks is likely to change all that, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that with some help he might have been able to pull himself together.

He surely has a lot of incentive to make things work.

 

[Kief Richards]

Maybe they showcase him for a game or two to allow another team to make a trade (after Woll is back)

 

[MK78]

Without reading everything said in this thread, I think this is similar to Manoah with the Jays last year. They brought him back way too early, and he crumbled further where he was just unusabel for rest of the year.

 

[Enniskillen]

Sammy stole game 6 for the Leafs last year. He was the only Leafs goalie to steal an elimination game in a recent history. So, it’s only right to give him a chance. Obviously his agent f.cked him up with the contract and arbitration thing. He wasn’t in the right place to start the year.

 

[ACC1224]

What is exactly wrong with him and what is the normal time frame for recovery?

 

[keonsbitterness]

So a week to 10 days and he is “cured”? I don’t know.

Cured is not the right word. They see him every day and think he's better. Can he go back to being a decent NHL goalie? We'll see.

Zihuatenejo?

Fort Hancock, Texas

 

[34]

NO, NO, NO! This is so bad. They are going to miss the playoffs with Samsonov.

 

[GoonieFace]

Sammy stole game 6 for the Leafs last year. He was the only Leafs goalie to steal an elimination game in a recent history. So, it’s only right to give him a chance. Obviously his agent f.cked him up with the contract and arbitration thing. He wasn’t in the right place to start the year.

If he can’t deal with the arbitration process, perhaps pro sports in the wrong line of work, seems like a real lame excuse

 

[Evilhomer]

NO, NO, NO! This is so bad. They are going to miss the playoffs with Samsonov.

For sure. Better start looking at draft prospects now.

On a seriousness, this only becomes interesting when Will comes back. At that point, unless they want to carry three goalies, someone has to go to the AHL.

 

[ACC1224]

For sure. Better start looking at draft prospects now.

On a seriousness, this only becomes interesting when Will comes back. At that point, unless they want to carry three goalies, someone has to go to the AHL.

They will carry three unless Samsonov continues to struggle.
Can't see any way that Jones gets waived again.

 

[Discoverer]

Without reading everything said in this thread, I think this is similar to Manoah with the Jays last year. They brought him back way too early, and he crumbled further where he was just unusabel for rest of the year.

Because they have someone doing a fantastic job of filling his spot (and another working his way back from injury), I think this is more like if they had called Manoah up to pitch in low-leverage situations out of the bullpen.

 

[PromisedLand]

Prepare for the vezina like numbers from Sammy lets f***ing go

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Gross. Samsonov shouldn’t play as a Leaf again. He’s already cost us the division with his piss poor play against garbage teams. Don’t need him to add to the amount of points lost because of his incompetence.