For the Leafs yeah. I honestly thought he was done with this team.
Waived: Ilya Samsonov - Recalled by the Leafs 1/10/24
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You could have talked me into giving Samsonov another chance after a longer reset.
Like Campbell his problems are all in his head and maybe more time away would give him a chance to clear his head and get back to a good point. I’m definitely not convinced it would have worked but with more time it was worth a try.
But they are so scared of giving Hildeby a game they didn’t even give it time for that strategy to work.
Like Campbell his problems are all in his head and maybe more time away would give him a chance to clear his head and get back to a good point. I’m definitely not convinced it would have worked but with more time it was worth a try.
But they are so scared of giving Hildeby a game they didn’t even give it time for that strategy to work.
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I know Samsonov has been bad this year and that people are very knee-jerky on the internet but does everyone forget that he put up .919 and 2.33 just last season? It's not like it's obvious he's officially done as an NHL goalie, he just hasn't been good this year. I wouldn't have minded for him to get some actual games in the AHL but don't see why people thought we'd be burying one of the best goalies from last season in the A on an ongoing basis.
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Yea, sure, everything that was ailing him was fixed within a week to 10 days. This is such a horseshit move.
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I probably would have waited until he got a game or 2 in the AHL, where he can play without being terrified if it goes wrong. And I would have given Hildeby an NHL game while he was here. He earned a call up, let him hit the ice.
But this was probably going to happen sooner or later. So no reason to complain.
But this was probably going to happen sooner or later. So no reason to complain.
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It was probably discussed when he was sent down that he wouldn't be playing for the Marlies.
If his issue is between the ears I'm sure they had lots of advice on the best way to help him get past it.
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I'm sure they did have lots of advice. I'm sure many, many talented, qualified, and well paid people thought long and hard about how best to handle it.
I'm still allowed to think differently.
He was clearly struggling in his last few NHL starts. And his last start especially seemed like he was terrified to fail, knowing just one bad goal could be disastrous for his career. He'll probably still feel the same for his first game back up. I think it would have been a good call to let him play a no-pressure game to get the feeling back.
I'm okay with this. Jones has taken the reigns for the time being and shown he is capable of giving the team a chance to win, so it's his crease now. Hildeby wasn't going to be given a look, rightly or wrongly. And over the next two and a half weeks before the All Star Game weekend, of the 9 games they have, only two are back-to-backs (each of the next two Saturday/Sundays). So theoretically, Jones could be starting 7, and Samsonov only 2.
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Of course you are, not sure what gave you the impression you couldn't.
None of us have any idea of course, just trying to make reasonable assumptions on what's happening.
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It will be interesting how it shakes out when Woll is back. No way they can send Jones down
The Leafs might be trying to salvage something -- anything -- from the Samsonov contract.
At best he benefits from a time out and becomes a useful player again. Faint hope there.
If he has recovered, I assume they send down a defenceman -- Lagesson -- and carry three goaltenders when Woll comes back, if they haven't traded Samsonov before then.
If Samsonov is at all useful, even as a backup, then maybe they trade him for a bag of pucks before the TDL. Stranger things have happened. Apparently Petr Mrazek is a positive trade candidate this season, even.
If Samsonov is still not up to it they can send him down without waivers again, and without exposing another player like Lagesson to waivers either.
I like this move. Treliving might have decided it's time to shit or get off the post.
At best he benefits from a time out and becomes a useful player again. Faint hope there.
If he has recovered, I assume they send down a defenceman -- Lagesson -- and carry three goaltenders when Woll comes back, if they haven't traded Samsonov before then.
If Samsonov is at all useful, even as a backup, then maybe they trade him for a bag of pucks before the TDL. Stranger things have happened. Apparently Petr Mrazek is a positive trade candidate this season, even.
If Samsonov is still not up to it they can send him down without waivers again, and without exposing another player like Lagesson to waivers either.
I like this move. Treliving might have decided it's time to shit or get off the post.
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Keefe arguably had the chance to do so (back-to-back scenario, two games in a row against the same opponent-SJ) and ultimately decided against it. The writing was essentially on the wall once that happened. FTR, I do agree that Hildeby should have been granted a start (even though I can't argue against a 4-0 record).
I would be very surprised if the Leafs haven't engaged the most qualified sports psychologist there is to work with Samsonov one-on-one during his time away from the Leafs.
I don't see the point of any AHL starts for him. His problems are not physical or skills-related that some practice in the AHL would cure. It's the yips and loss of self-confidence that undermines his performance and the ability of the whole team to have any confidence playing in front of him. If those psychological problems were to carry over to the AHL it would do more harm than good.
If the Leafs have arranged some professional help and the opinion is that he's psychologically fit to play, then let's see him play. Then they can go from there, and make any other decisions that might follow.
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I think it's premature to state that he's finished at this stage of his career.
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So they gave him a 10 day vacation, watched him in a single practice, then decided it was time to put him back into NHL games...
IMO the main argument for playing Sammy with the Marlies:
- He needs to rediscover his confidence
- Hard to do this under intense media scrutiny, and against NHL shooters
- Maybe easier to start playing well and rebuild his confidence away from intense NHL pressure, and against AHL shooters?
Of course, he could get lit up against AHLers too … which would be bad for Sammy, borderline career ending, but better for the team than having him get lit up in more meaningful NHL games.
With all that being said, I’m not a sports psychologist, hopefully the Leafs know what they’re doing.
It beats me, but it looks like the Leafs have decided to find out. Fish or cut bait, before Woll returns and other roster decisions would need to be made.
I like that.
Suntouchable13
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If he is not, I don’t want to piss away points against a divisional opponent on Sunday.
