WC: IIHF refs

[Atas2000]

those refs are acting good in this international ice circus, just pathetic.
i hope that circus dentist will resign or this tournament will cease to exist. those clowns want's to make a parody of hockey.
see the Canadian disallowed goal against Norway, and yesterdays Latvian disallowed goal against belarus. Is that a coincidence?
no further comments.

Hurt feelings aren't an ideal advisor. Who prevented Latvia from winning this time. The refs? The secret swiss plot to take over the world?

There always will be questionable calls the fans will always see in black and white. Nonetheless, you have to win hockey games.

 

[OscarsCards]

Hurt feelings aren't an ideal advisor. Who prevented Latvia from winning this time. The refs? The secret swiss plot to tajke over the world?

There always will be questionable calls the fans will always see in black and white. Nonetheless, you have to win hockey games.

I better prefer winning on the ice, playing ice hockey, not winning by the refs. This is the World championships, it must be on the highest level, referees included. Maybe this is just business, prestige is just second or third.

 

[v-man]

That's a point of view thing. I don't see how a NA ref in any game at the Olympics is fair game. I did find the reffing in the Olympics poor at times. That's my poit of view. This topurnament's reffing is not abysmal. I've seen worse mistakes in the NHL. Nothing justifiying your claim for NHL refs.

No, this tournament's reffing is pretty abysmal on a consistent basis. Definitely to a greater degree than the NHL. That's not really debatable, it's just fact. And I don't see how NA refs at the Olympics shouldn't be "fair game". What issue could you possibly have with them? They've called the IIHF's laughably ridiculous rules at the Olympics just as consistently as the Euros have.

 

[meph]

nhl has its own set of refereeing issues, but you really don't want to compare it against the refereeing of WC

nhl is head and shoulders above in this department

 

[Jussi]

No, this tournament's reffing is pretty abysmal on a consistent basis. Definitely to a greater degree than the NHL. That's not really debatable, it's just fact. And I don't see how NA refs at the Olympics shouldn't be "fair game". What issue could you possibly have with them? They've called the IIHF's laughably ridiculous rules at the Olympics just as consistently as the Euros have.

There aren't even that much differences between the rules or interpretations. I think Kalervo Kummola said some time ago that there's some kind of a goal from both sides to get the rulebooks as similar as possible both in the NHL and IIHF.

 

[Atas2000]

No, this tournament's reffing is pretty abysmal on a consistent basis. Definitely to a greater degree than the NHL. That's not really debatable, it's just fact. And I don't see how NA refs at the Olympics shouldn't be "fair game". What issue could you possibly have with them? They've called the IIHF's laughably ridiculous rules at the Olympics just as consistently as the Euros have.

1.They are not unbiased. And this is not debatable. Even if it's not for their country, but for the NHL players/stars/rules.

2.There is a bunch of "laughable" rules in the NHL. Don't press your NHL as the only right thing on us.

 

[Jussi]

1.They are not unbiased. And this is not debatable. Even if it's not for their country, but for the NHL players/stars/rules.

2.There is a bunch of "laughable" rules in the NHL. Don't press your NHL as the only right thing on us.

Well they certainly succeeded hiding their bias in the Olympics.

Please list those laughable rules.

 

[xxxx]

Amen.

This is why I don't want them there. Overconfident North Americans. there are THREADS on this board about bad NHL refs.

If two canadians were arguing about how bad did Montreal play yesterday and they were angry at the Canadiens, would it mean that Montreal played a simply BAD game, under a hockey standard, so say, something like Australia? No. But it was bad because the fans are used to a high standart, for them it wasn't good enough. But even the 'bad' game from Montreal (2-6 to Rangers) would be good enough to beat almost any european team.

What I'm trying to say is that people will always complain about something. But, if you see a thread about bad NHL reffering, that doesn't mean it's the same 'bad' as referees in Europe.

 

[xxxx]

That's a point of view thing. I don't see how a NA ref in any game at the Olympics is fair game.

How is it fair? The NHL referees have experience, and a lot of it, with the NHL style of play - and especially, if a tournament is to be on NHL ice - with the size of ice, with the rules, etc. The situation would be different if there were 4-5 strong leagues as in soccer (England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy), but in hockey, there is only one TOP league, no matter how do you think the KHL is good, it's not at NHL level by any means. At a tournament like World Cup, majority of players that are participating, are from the NHL. The situation is little bit different if the ice is 'european' and the rules are international. I agree that in that case, you need also european referees, especially because of the ice-size.

I don't find any single thing that would make any olympic / world cup game less fair only because the referees are from NA. Actually, I would say it's the exact opposite.

This topurnament's reffing is not abysmal. I've seen worse mistakes in the NHL. Nothing justifiying your claim for NHL refs.

I agree that even in the NHL you can see a regular goal to be disallowed or the opposite. But you don't, you will simply never see mistakes that much 'critical' in such a short period of time. And again, another problem is how much different are the referees in each game.

 

[Heia Norge]

 

[torero]

Reffs stole the game SWI-USA in favour of the US.

SWI - USA 2-3

with 2 canceled goals for Switzerland that were perfectly valid. If only 1 was called like this but 2 in a row
even the development of events was amazing like their was 2-2, Swiss score ... goal canceled, US score 2-3, and Swiss score ... goal canceled after debate between refs and US players

You would never believe that USA would pay to win in this situation ... yet the thing was so big, you seriously would think at it.

(of course it was bad judgement and unluck ... but it was soo big that reasonability flickered)

That actually costed the place in QF !

 

[meph]

as per JJ68 interview

http://www.hokej.cz/cz/ms-2014/jaro...sti-ale-hokej-je-jiny-nez-ho-hraju-ja-rika/#1

below is my translation of a single question from the interview

Are you giving up? Are you done? (in national team)
--
Of course! And the referees should go with me. Guys, this is the worst I've ever seen. Not in the match against Sweden, but overall during the whole championship. When I come back to NHL, I will congratulate referees after every match, tell them how great they are. If I played the most important match of my career against USA or CAN, I would like it to be refereed by 4 officials from NA. With all due respect, the referees at this WC are amateurs.

 

[xxxx]

as per JJ68 interview

http://www.hokej.cz/cz/ms-2014/jaro...sti-ale-hokej-je-jiny-nez-ho-hraju-ja-rika/#1

below is my translation of a single question from the interview

Are you giving up? Are you done? (in national team)
--
Of course! And the referees should go with me. Guys, this is the worst I've ever seen. Not in the match against Sweden, but overall during the whole championship. When I come back to NHL, I will congratulate referees after every match, tell them how great they are. If I played the most important match of my career against USA or CAN, I would like it to be refereed by 4 officials from NA. With all due respect, the referees at this WC are amateurs.

Hm. This should read every damn poster here that claims the IIHF referees are 'good'.

Jagr knows what the true is, glad he said that loud. It needs to be.

Whoever tells me again that he doesn't like 4 NA referees in the olympic final, I will show him this. To hear that from Jagr, from an european, one of the best players ever, that he would like rather 4 NA officials, that means something.

 

[Namejs]

Hm. This should read every damn poster here that claims the IIHF referees are 'good'.

Apart from Belarusians and Russians, who's saying that?

 

[JackSlater]

All of our friends who were so terrified about Canadians reffing the Olympic finals have hopefully been proud of the impartial refs in the WC finals. Long live IIHF refs.

 

[kasps]

This final is a joke, Fins have no chance with the garbage calls against them . Malkin should have gotten 5 at the start of the game that was missed. The first call against Finland while they were on the PP in the second period is either, utter incompetence or the fix is in !?

 

[Lollipop]

How is it fair? The NHL referees have experience, and a lot of it, with the NHL style of play - and especially, if a tournament is to be on NHL ice - with the size of ice, with the rules, etc. The situation would be different if there were 4-5 strong leagues as in soccer (England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy), but in hockey, there is only one TOP league, no matter how do you think the KHL is good, it's not at NHL level by any means. At a tournament like World Cup, majority of players that are participating, are from the NHL. The situation is little bit different if the ice is 'european' and the rules are international. I agree that in that case, you need also european referees, especially because of the ice-size.

I don't find any single thing that would make any olympic / world cup game less fair only because the referees are from NA. Actually, I would say it's the exact opposite.





I agree that even in the NHL you can see a regular goal to be disallowed or the opposite. But you don't, you will simply never see mistakes that much 'critical' in such a short period of time. And again, another problem is how much different are the referees in each game.

Why? What's fair with having all Canadian referees in olympic gold medal game between Canada-Sweden? It's ridiculous. Also all world cup/Canada cup finals are played in NA. NA referees in NA, how is that fair to the European teams? No matter if most European players play in NHL. Olympics and especially World cup will be fixed for NA to win.

 

[JackSlater]

Why? What's fair with having all Canadian referees in olympic gold medal game between Canada-Sweden? It's ridiculous. Also all world cup/Canada cup finals are played in NA. NA referees in NA, how is that fair to the European teams? No matter if most European players play in NHL. Olympics and especially World cup will be fixed for NA to win.

So you think the final in the WC today (IIHF refs not from Russia or Finland) is better reffed than the Olympic final, right?

 

[meph]

Why? What's fair with having all Canadian referees in olympic gold medal game between Canada-Sweden? It's ridiculous. Also all world cup/Canada cup finals are played in NA. NA referees in NA, how is that fair to the European teams? No matter if most European players play in NHL. Olympics and especially World cup will be fixed for NA to win.

so you would rather be operated on by best surgeons in your country instead of best surgeons in the world?

i don't believe officials from any country alter outcomes because of favouritism, but they sure as hell do because of incompetence

 

[Lollipop]

So you think the final in the WC today (IIHF refs not from Russia or Finland) is better reffed than the Olympic final, right?

I didn't say that. But how will Canadian referees be unbiased? The only reason there were no problem in the olympic final is because it wasn't close. In a close game how will they be unbiased? They can call in favour for the home team or against them to look unbiased.

NA fans are very naive if they think NA referees in a final in NA is fair.

 

[Kharkov]

I must say I have never seen so biased refs.

 

[Namejs]

I must say I have never seen so biased refs.

Well, it's always hard to draw a line between stupidity/incompetence and malice.

They're probably just bad at their job.

 

[Lennu32]

I must say I have never seen so biased refs.

True. But Russia was still better.

 

[Kharkov]

Yea. Congrats for Russia. But refs were terrible. It makes taking loss way easier though.

 

[Vipers31]

Well, it's always hard to draw a line between stupidity/incompetence and malice.

They're probably just bad at their job.

In regards to the German ref that participated in the final, I like him better than most refs in Germany, but that still isn't very good. He made a mess out of this year's DEL final series, as well. He's definitely typical of this league's refereeing which results in home and road records being heavily tilted towards home games. Lets the crowds get under the skin, it seems.