Player Discussion Igor Shesterkin

[Peltz]

Jim ‘Boomer’ Gordon on NHL Network radio the other day:

‘How does one franchise basically go from Richter to Lundqvist to Shesterkin?’ Probably 40+ years of generational goaltending when most franchises can’t find one goalie at this level in 40 years.’

Benoit Allaire started a year or two after Richter retired, no?

I think Allaire has done nothing but great things for the organization, but I can't imagine he's responsible for making Hank and then Shesty into the prospects they were prior to joining the team. Both players were considered to be the among best non-NHL goalies in the world prior to coming over. Then, with Allaire's help they lived up to that pedigree.

But as far as acquiring them in drafts, I really think it was just luck. Rangers didn't pick these guys very high up in the draft and other goalies were taken ahead of each.

And it happened twice in like what... a 15 year span? Maybe longer? I really do think this is as "pure luck" as it gets.

 

[romba]

I think Allaire has done nothing but great things for the organization, but I can't imagine he's responsible for making Hank and then Shesty into the prospects they were prior to joining the team. Both players were considered to be the among best non-NHL goalies in the world prior to coming over. Then, with Allaire's help they lived up to that pedigree.

But as far as acquiring them in drafts, I really think it was just luck. Rangers didn't pick these guys very high up in the draft and other goalies were taken ahead of each.

And it happened twice in like what... a 15 year span? Maybe longer? I really do think this is as "pure luck" as it gets.

That’s why you don’t burn a 1st on a goalie, much more of crapshoot than other positions. Draft 1-2 each year in later rounds and let the cream rise. Should get a starter every 5-10 years and 1 or two backups that way. We’ve gotten very lucky with these super high end starters though.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That’s why you don’t burn a 1st on a goalie, much more of crapshoot than other positions. Draft 1-2 each year in later rounds and let the cream rise. Should get a starter every 5-10 years and 1 or two backups that way. We’ve gotten very lucky with these super high end starters though.

Yeah if you're going to burn a 1st on a goalie, you better be f***ing sure that he's a wall.

Of all the ones that have gone in the 1st recently, only Vasilevsky has met expectations. I like Knight's long term potential a bunch, but theres still a ton of unknown there with him as well.

More often than not, 1st round goalies go the way of Chet Pickard and Malcom Subban.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

That’s why you don’t burn a 1st on a goalie, much more of crapshoot than other positions. Draft 1-2 each year in later rounds and let the cream rise. Should get a starter every 5-10 years and 1 or two backups that way. We’ve gotten very lucky with these super high end starters though.

Eh, it depends. I wanted Wallstedt last draft (mainly due to Igor's injuries and as a safety value), but Othmann is providing me wrong so far - and Igor has taken his game to another level this season.

Just hope Igor stays healthy, that's really the only concern with him (along with how he'll fare in the playoffs).

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Yeah if you're going to burn a 1st on a goalie, you better be f***ing sure that he's a wall.

Of all the ones that have gone in the 1st recently, only Vasilevsky has met expectations. I like Knight's long term potential a bunch, but theres still a ton of unknown there with him as well.

More often than not, 1st round goalies go the way of Chet Pickard and Malcom Subban.

Wallstedt will probably live up to expectations (although, time will tell for sure). I wanted him last draft.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Wallstedt will probably live up to expectations (although, time will tell for sure). I wanted him last draft.

He may (I wanted him too) but there are so many guys who have crushed it at every level before getting to the NHL.

Toughest position to scout and project by far.

 

[Fitzy]

It's hard to project KHL to NHL transitions in terms of stats.

Poor Askarov is sitting behind the depth chart to a 34 year old swedish goaltender putting up great numbers but has never sniffed the NHL.

 

[KingDeathMetal]

I think Allaire has done nothing but great things for the organization, but I can't imagine he's responsible for making Hank and then Shesty into the prospects they were prior to joining the team. Both players were considered to be the among best non-NHL goalies in the world prior to coming over. Then, with Allaire's help they lived up to that pedigree.

But as far as acquiring them in drafts, I really think it was just luck. Rangers didn't pick these guys very high up in the draft and other goalies were taken ahead of each.

And it happened twice in like what... a 15 year span? Maybe longer? I really do think this is as "pure luck" as it gets.

A team scouts a goaltender, identifies their talent, drafts that goaltender, and the goaltender becomes a superstar. That is not luck. It's called talent evaluation.

 

[romba]

Yeah if you're going to burn a 1st on a goalie, you better be f***ing sure that he's a wall.

Of all the ones that have gone in the 1st recently, only Vasilevsky has met expectations. I like Knight's long term potential a bunch, but theres still a ton of unknown there with him as well.

More often than not, 1st round goalies go the way of Chet Pickard and Malcom Subban.

Don't forget American Golden Boy Rick Dipietro, the Isles are paying 1.5 mil to him until 2029 lmao

 

[SA16]

If you're taking a goalie in the first round you should be fired by the owner.

 

[SA16]

A team scouts a goaltender, identifies their talent, drafts that goaltender, and the goaltender becomes a superstar. That is not luck. It's called talent evaluation.

And yet since Lundqvist they also drafted:

Dan Blackburn
Chris Holt
Al Montoya
Antoine Lafleur
Scott Stajcer
Mackenzi Skapski
Brandon Halverson
Igor Shesterkin
Adam Huska
Tyler Wall
Olof Lindbom
Dylan Garand
Talyn Boyko

Shesterkin obviously a huge hit. And yet for someone they scouted and identified so well he wasn't even the first goalie they took in the 2014 draft. Every other one is either a bust, unknown due to injury (Blackburn), or too soon (Garand). It's mostly luck. And also a good reason to take a goalie around R4-R7 every year just to have a big stockpile and hope one works.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

If you're taking a goalie in the first round you should be fired by the owner.

I suppose Yzerman should have been fired by Tampa when he drafted Vasilevskiy in 2012

If a goalie is BPA in the 1st round and/or it makes sense as well, you draft him.

 

[SA16]

I suppose Yzerman should have been fired by Tampa when he drafted Vasilevskiy in 2012

If a goalie is BPA in the 1st round and/or it makes sense as well, you draft him.

Congratulations to Steve Yzerman for drafting literally the only successful goalie first round pick in the last 15 years. There's always going to be an outlier. Sometimes you make a bad bet and it still works.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I think Allaire has done nothing but great things for the organization, but I can't imagine he's responsible for making Hank and then Shesty into the prospects they were prior to joining the team. Both players were considered to be the among best non-NHL goalies in the world prior to coming over. Then, with Allaire's help they lived up to that pedigree.

But as far as acquiring them in drafts, I really think it was just luck. Rangers didn't pick these guys very high up in the draft and other goalies were taken ahead of each.

And it happened twice in like what... a 15 year span? Maybe longer? I really do think this is as "pure luck" as it gets.

Igor wasn't even the first goalie taken by the Rangers in his draft.

 

[Kords]

Seeing alot of Hart chatter on my social media timeline and podcasts from various Hockey analysts and writers. Vezina is pretty much assumed at this point.

What a time to be a Ranger fan =)

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Don't forget American Golden Boy Rick Dipietro, the Isles are paying 1.5 mil to him until 2029 lmao

Fans of a team that pays Brad Richards until 2026 shouldn't laugh too hard at that.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Fans of a team that pays Brad Richards until 2026 shouldn't laugh too hard at that.

I think the difference is we signed the richards contract knowing it was going to have to be bought out.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think the difference is we signed the richards contract knowing it was going to have to be bought out.

Neither count towards the cap so from a fan perspective, they don't really count, it's just the years of payment we are laughing at, at this stage.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Fans of a team that pays Brad Richards until 2026 shouldn't laugh too hard at that.

At least Richards was good, and it was a bidding war to get his services. DiPietro was never good and they signed him to that garbage after what, 100 games played?

 

[duhmetreE]

The GOAT? maybe not yet?
The King?

The GOAT KING?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

At least Richards was good, and it was a bidding war to get his services. DiPietro was never good and they signed him to that garbage after what, 100 games played?

DiPietro was very good very briefly right after the lockout. I still remember a game we won 2-1 in the SO where he made more than 50 saves.

 

[romba]

Fans of a team that pays Brad Richards until 2026 shouldn't laugh too hard at that.

Very edgy to hate against the home team, but one guy was 1 overall in the draft and then got paid and the other was a pretty good FA with leadership who helped bring MSL and a nice playoff drive, you can’t compare

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Very edgy to hate against the home team, but one guy was 1 overall in the draft and then got paid and the other was a pretty good FA with leadership who helped bring MSL and a nice playoff drive, you can’t compare

Yeah, but in the grand scheme of things neither affect the team's ability to compete.

 

[romba]

Yeah, but in the grand scheme of things neither affect the team's ability to compete.

Wasting a 1st overall sure as heck affected the Islanders ability to compete. You can bring up Laf and KK but those guys were the consensus picks at that spot, DP was a reach and a surprise and it really stung them for a generation

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Congratulations to Steve Yzerman for drafting literally the only successful goalie first round pick in the last 15 years. There's always going to be an outlier. Sometimes you make a bad bet and it still works.

Eh, will just agree to disagree.