NHL Entry Draft If Zadina falls to the Sens should they take him?

[Nac Mac Feegle]

This random scenario you have come up with in your head when evaluating who to draft is ridiculous.

Why on earth would there be no reprocussions? Who do you think he is exatly? Lindros? He is 190 pounds.

I'm not advocating drafting Tkachuk. I'm saying, if Montreal takes him, he's going to cause a ton of trouble for us. And Brady isn't going to weigh 190 a few years from now.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Imagine someone selecting Zadina and he's eventually scoring 50 goals a year and all we have is a guy running around scoring 40-50 points a year.

I haven't watched Zadina all that closely, but if there was a legit chance he could be a 50-goal scorer, he would be in a serious battle with Dahlin for first overall.

 

[bert]

I'm not advocating drafting Tkachuk. I'm saying, if Montreal takes him, he's going to cause a ton of trouble for us. And Brady isn't going to weigh 190 a few years from now.

Id much rather the sens play Tkachuk 5 times a season over a player that can potentially contend for an art ross but thats just me.

 

[bert]

I haven't watched Zadina all that closely, but if there was a legit chance he could be a 50-goal scorer, he would be in a serious battle with Dahlin for first overall.

There is a chance he could score at a top 10 pace a very good one. He is an all around threat not just a goal scorer.

You know what they cant test at the combine or in interviews. Hockey sense, edgework, stick handling and shot accuracy. Zadina is potentially the best in the draft in all 4 of these skills.

 

[Micklebot]

Id much rather the sens play Tkachuk 5 times a season over a player that can potentially contend for an art ross but thats just me.

Who is Mtl going to draft that will be contending for an Art Ross? I really don't think that's a realistic expectation for Zadina, or any other player that will likely be on the board at 3rd. I guess it's possible, in the same vein as Tkachuk could become a physically dominanting #1 center. Not really either player's projected career path imo.

You know what they cant test at the combine or in interviews. Hockey sense, edgework, stick handling and shot accuracy. Zadina is potentially the best in the draft in all 4 of these skills.

High praise, not sure I'd agree, but what do I know. Hope you're right and he falls to us though. He's who I want (or the realistic options).

 

[Viletho]

To me they have to take Zadina. From all i've seen. He isn't a player who is afraid of the physicality.

He will go where he need to go to score goal. He won't crush the opponents on the board but he is still a strong player with a lethal shot.

Also what i liked from his interview. He wanted to come in Canada to learn the language and start to know how to play on smaller ice. That's dedication.
On the Sens, he is friend with Chlapik.

 

[bert]

Who is Mtl going to draft that will be contending for an Art Ross? I really don't think that's a realistic expectation for Zadina, or any other player that will likely be on the board at 3rd. I guess it's possible, in the same vein as Tkachuk could become a physically dominanting #1 center. Not really either player's projected career path imo.



High praise, not sure I'd agree, but what do I know. Hope you're right and he falls to us though. He's who I want (or the realistic options).

Zadina has the offensive IQ and individual skill set to contend for an art ross. His game is incredibly similar to Kucherovs.

 

[bert]

Who is Mtl going to draft that will be contending for an Art Ross? I really don't think that's a realistic expectation for Zadina, or any other player that will likely be on the board at 3rd. I guess it's possible, in the same vein as Tkachuk could become a physically dominanting #1 center. Not really either player's projected career path imo.



High praise, not sure I'd agree, but what do I know. Hope you're right and he falls to us though. He's who I want (or the realistic options).

The only player that rivals his offensive skill is Svechnikov who is younger bigger and faster thats why he is rated higher than him. To me its almost like comparing Kovalchuk to Kucherov. Youre taking Kovalchuk because his raw skills are more elite. However Kucherovs offensive IQ is higher so some seasons he rivals him.

 

[Micklebot]

Zadina has the offensive IQ and individual skill set to contend for an art ross. His game is incredibly similar to Kucherovs.

Fair enough, not sure I'd be piling on such lofty praise myself, but to each there own. I love the player, but I don't see quite what you are seeing.

If he drops to us, I think he's an automatic pick, I'd be disappointed if we pass on him, but get over it.

 

[bert]

Fair enough, not sure I'd be piling on such lofty praise myself, but to each there own. I love the player, but I don't see quite what you are seeing.

If he drops to us, I think he's an automatic pick, I'd be disappointed if we pass on him, but get over it.

I saw it in Kucherov as a 19 year old at the WJC then watched him play a few games in the Q. Im not saying Zadina will be as good but the similarities in their games are absolutely there. No one at the time thought Kucherov would be this good but he was dominant in many of the same aspects.

 

[Sens in Process]

I think you're over estimating how chippy Tkachuk is. From what I understand he's more of a chirpper rather than tough guy conspired to his brother. Talks lots but isn't running around kneeing everyone in sight.

Mathew is the chirper, Brady is the tough guy.

For all this talk about new NHL, just think about how effective Tom Wilson has been in these playoffs. He has 14 even strength points in 20 games and is a plus 10. With one hit, he turned 5-9 Marchessault into a shell of himself.

I thought Wilson was, to quote the immortal Don Brennan, a garbage pick by the Capitals, with Hertl and Teravanainen on the board in 2012. Why would you pass on high level skill for a goon who can't skate? The answer is, Wilson helps you win hockey games and big games at that.

Like Wilson, Tkachuk has a relentless motor. But unlike Wilson, he actually has high level hands, passing and hockey sense. He is a much better skater than Wilson was in his draft year as well

Heavy hockey is still highly effective. Kucherov had 2 even strength points and was a -6 against Washington. Stamkos had 0 even strength points and was a -4 in the series. Tampa Bay folded in games 6 and 7. They were physically and emotionally beaten by Washington's onslaught. I remember a play where Wilson caught Kucherov on a back-check during a powerplay and bowled him over. Kucherov just didn't have the time and space.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

So Zadina, after scoring 44 38 82 in his draft yer is going to ba a 50 goal scoring art ross winner and Tkachuk is going to be a dud. Cool

I guess Zadina will have to wait his turn to win the Art ross because guys like Beauvillier 42 52 94 and Meier 44 46 90 and possibly Yevgeni Svechnikov 32 46 78 (similar ppg) all in their 2015 draft years would be ahead of him . Lets not forget about Ehlers 104 pts, Drouin 105 pts, Mantha 89 pts, Andrighetto 98 pts , Couturier 96 pts , Huberdeau 105 pts in their draft years ... Lots of guys have out produced Zadina in their draft years in the Q and most probably will never see 50 goal seasons and art ross trophies in the NHL. Pageau put up 76 pts in his draft year.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Mathew is the chirper, Brady is the tough guy.

For all this talk about new NHL, just think about how effective Tom Wilson has been in these playoffs. He has 14 even strength points in 20 games and is a plus 10. With one hit, he turned 5-9 Marchessault into a shell of himself.

I thought Wilson was, to quote the immortal Don Brennan, a garbage pick by the Capitals, with Hertl and Teravanainen on the board in 2012. Why would you pass on high level skill for a goon who can't skate? The answer is, Wilson helps you win hockey games and big games at that.

Like Wilson, Tkachuk has a relentless motor. But unlike Wilson, he actually has high level hands, passing and hockey sense. He is a much better skater than Wilson was in his draft year as well

Heavy hockey is still highly effective. Kucherov had 2 even strength points and was a -6 against Washington. Stamkos had 0 even strength points and was a -4 in the series. Tampa Bay folded in games 6 and 7. They were physically and emotionally beaten by Washington's onslaught. I remember a play where Wilson caught Kucherov on a back-check during a powerplay and bowled him over. Kucherov just didn't have the time and space.

Is this satire?

 

[Boud]

So Zadina, after scoring 44 38 82 in his draft yer is going to ba a 50 goal scoring art ross winner and Tkachuk is going to be a dud. Cool

I guess Zadina will have to wait his turn to win the Art ross because guys like Beauvillier 42 52 94 and Meier 44 46 90 and possibly Yevgeni Svechnikov 32 46 78 (similar ppg) all in their 2015 draft years would be ahead of him . Lets not forget about Ehlers 104 pts, Drouin 105 pts, Mantha 89 pts, Andrighetto 98 pts , Couturier 96 pts , Huberdeau 105 pts in their draft years ... Lots of guys have out produced Zadina in their draft years in the Q and most probably will never see 50 goal seasons and art ross trophies in the NHL. Pageau put up 76 pts in his draft year.

Which is why you look at more than stats.

And nobody said Tkatchuk will be a dud, at least I didn't.

 

[Viletho]

So Zadina, after scoring 44 38 82 in his draft yer is going to ba a 50 goal scoring art ross winner and Tkachuk is going to be a dud. Cool

I guess Zadina will have to wait his turn to win the Art ross because guys like Beauvillier 42 52 94 and Meier 44 46 90 and possibly Yevgeni Svechnikov 32 46 78 (similar ppg) all in their 2015 draft years would be ahead of him . Lets not forget about Ehlers 104 pts, Drouin 105 pts, Mantha 89 pts, Andrighetto 98 pts , Couturier 96 pts , Huberdeau 105 pts in their draft years ... Lots of guys have out produced Zadina in their draft years in the Q and most probably will never see 50 goal seasons and art ross trophies in the NHL. Pageau put up 76 pts in his draft year.

If both are available, you prefer Tkachuk?

I sincerely change everyday lol. I think that sens take Zadina. But of they take Tkachuk i see the positive.

There is pros and cons for every player. And i won't judge right away. Like a said in another thread. I think Tkachuk will become a very effective player at all part of the game but not rightaway

I want a Tkachuk.. i just don't know if i want him over Zadina.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Which is why you look at more than stats.

And nobody said Tkatchuk will be a dud, at least I didn't.

Was not directed at you... but plenty have said that or close to that. And yes you need to look at more than stats , which scouts obviously do. I agree

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If both are available, you prefer Tkachuk?

I sincerely change everyday lol. I think that sens take Zadina. But of they take Tkachuk i see the positive.

There is pros and cons for every player. And i won't judge right away. Like a said in another thread. I think Tkachuk will become a very effective player at all part of the game but not rightaway

I want a Tkachuk.. i just don't know if i want him over Zadina.

Its very close on those 2 for me. I am not discrediting Zadina.. I think both would be good choices for different reasons. I just don't think we should diminish one while pumping up the other with unrealistic projections both ways.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

So Zadina, after scoring 44 38 82 in his draft yer is going to ba a 50 goal scoring art ross winner and Tkachuk is going to be a dud. Cool

I guess Zadina will have to wait his turn to win the Art ross because guys like Beauvillier 42 52 94 and Meier 44 46 90 and possibly Yevgeni Svechnikov 32 46 78 (similar ppg) all in their 2015 draft years would be ahead of him . Lets not forget about Ehlers 104 pts, Drouin 105 pts, Mantha 89 pts, Andrighetto 98 pts , Couturier 96 pts , Huberdeau 105 pts in their draft years ... Lots of guys have out produced Zadina in their draft years in the Q and most probably will never see 50 goal seasons and art ross trophies in the NHL. Pageau put up 76 pts in his draft year.

I'd be pretty stoked with a Huberdeau, Couturier or Ehlers at 4. I love Meier too. He's way better than Tkachuk. Gonna he a steady 25 goal man with a heavy game. Wouldn't use a 4th overall on him but he's a 8-15 type of guy.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'd be pretty stoked with a Huberdeau, Couturier or Ehlers at 4. I love Meier too. He's way better than Tkachuk. Gonna he a steady 25 goal man with a heavy game. Wouldn't use a 4th overall on him but he's a 8-15 type of guy.

Sure but those guys are not eligible here. We have to pick from this year's crop of players. IMO there are a few good choices at 4. Zadina is one of them

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Sure but those guys are not eligible here. We have to pick from this year's crop of players. IMO there are a few good choices at 4. Zadina is one of them

Zadina is easily BPA at 4 so I don't see the problem unless Svechnikov drops. The only other guy to consider is Dobson.

Zadina is a better natural goal scorer than any of the guys you mentioned. He's a pure clinical finisher.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Zadina is easily BPA at 4 so I don't see the problem unless Svechnikov drops. The only other guy to consider is Dobson.

Zadina is a better natural goal scorer than any of the guys you mentioned. He's a pure clinical finisher.

Dobson would be a good option imo.
Do you think he's a better pure sniper than Wahlstrom?

 

[BondraTime]

Dobson would be a good option imo.
Do you think he's a better pure sniper than Wahlstrom?

Yes, for sure.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Dobson would be a good option imo.
Do you think he's a better pure sniper than Wahlstrom?

Easily.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Yes, for sure.

I like Zadina quite a bit more than Wahlstrom just wondering on the snipe aspect alone. I think both are pretty good at that. So if Zadina is a 10/10 what's Wahlstrom?

 

[BondraTime]

I like Zadina quite a bit more than Wahlstrom just wondering on the snipe aspect alone. I think both are pretty good at that. So if Zadina is a 10/10 what's Wahlstrom?

I'm not sure, I wouldn't really rate them like that.

Zadina isn't a pure shooter, he actually mucks it up, cuts into the slot, plays down low. He scores in every way you want. Wahlstrom might have the better shot, but he isn't the better goal scorer. Scoring goals matters more than how you score them.