Really hard to get a feeling on what Mtl or Ott are up to for me personally, I find often times off the board picks are speculated heavily pre draft but when it comes down to it, generally teams don't reach much, I would still be very surprised if Mtl passed on Zadina and expect Ott to be looking at F's Tkachuk, Kotkaniemi, Wahlstrom or D's Dobson, Boqvist, Bouchard.
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Really hard to get a feeling on what Mtl or Ott are up to for me personally, I find often times off the board picks are speculated heavily pre draft but when it comes down to it, generally teams don't reach much, I would still be very surprised if Mtl passed on Zadina and expect Ott to be looking at F's Tkachuk, Kotkaniemi, Wahlstrom or D's Dobson, Boqvist, Bouchard.
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If they disclose their drafting preferences/order to everyone they interview, that org is in worse shape than I thought...
Seriously, though, perhaps that's the feel he had going in, and he didn't get the warm fuzzies from the interview, but that could be because they want to play their cards close to their chest, not because they didn't like him. I don't think Zadina's feelings on the matter change the odds of Mtl going off the board. It was always a possibility, and that hasn't changed. Hope it happens, and for Mtl's sake, I hope they finally land the #1 center they need (Kotkaniemi could be a real beauty), but I'm no more inclined to believe it will happen than I was before.
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i dont understand how some peopel can say they dont like tkatchuk when A) Scouting service all have him high and B) the only time most people have seen him play significant time was in the WJC.. where he was very very good. those two things combined should be enough.
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IMO it depends who is also left on the board when the Sens come up to make their selection at 4th OA. If Tkachuk is still there I would choose him although I assume most here would not. If a few of the D are still on the board & some will certainly be & people prefer a defenceman over a forward than one of them could be selected. It all depends on who you prefer or think the Sens need & from all accounts you could be wrong or right with almost any one of 3 or 4 selections for all the reasons we read about daily on here.
My preference is Tkachuk, he's big & strong with a high hockey IQ, very good playmaker, makes the players around him better, can play a skilled game or a rough game, has top 6 skill, good skater & seems like a real good character guy. Not sure why being a good character guy has become a negative on this board & not a positive, but people will always find something to complain about. I would like one of Dobson or Bouchard as well but we only have one selection where they are all ranked. I think Ottawa needs some muscle in the top 6 more than anything else at this time & IMO Tkachuk is the BPA at 4th OA. While the need for a top right shot defenceman is also a requirement, Ottawa has several good left shot defencemen prospects coming. Again, I doubt they can go wrong if they draft one of Tkachuk, Zadina, Bouchard or Dobson given that Dahlen & Svechnikov are off the board.
My preference is Tkachuk, he's big & strong with a high hockey IQ, very good playmaker, makes the players around him better, can play a skilled game or a rough game, has top 6 skill, good skater & seems like a real good character guy. Not sure why being a good character guy has become a negative on this board & not a positive, but people will always find something to complain about. I would like one of Dobson or Bouchard as well but we only have one selection where they are all ranked. I think Ottawa needs some muscle in the top 6 more than anything else at this time & IMO Tkachuk is the BPA at 4th OA. While the need for a top right shot defenceman is also a requirement, Ottawa has several good left shot defencemen prospects coming. Again, I doubt they can go wrong if they draft one of Tkachuk, Zadina, Bouchard or Dobson given that Dahlen & Svechnikov are off the board.
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My sense is that "good character" is used when a player is lacking in top end skill and people try to cover for that by saying he has good character or intangibles.
Good character isn't a bad thing, but I'd rather take the guy who oozes skill instead of a guy who needs to have good character because he doesn't have that elite skill, especially at 4th overall.
Good character guys are good to have. Don't get me wrong, but in my opinion, the Senators need high skill players more. The team has enough 2nd, 3rd, 4th line players. They need more skill, especially guys who can be 1st line skill players. The best teams in the league have 1st line players, and then extra 1st line players playing on the 2nd line. Ottawa isn't even close to having that sort of depth.
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Oh, I don't know about that unless maybe they are the elite teams in the league & there are only a hand full of those. Hoffman, Duchene & Stone IMO are top line players with plenty of skill, Hoffman & Duchene also have plenty of speed & Stone is the best takeaway artist in the NHL these days. Ryan was a top line player & still has that top line skill but injuries prevent him from being an 82 game player. Dzingel has world class speed & top 6 potential, if he can continue to finish which seems to be a slight weakness but he gets better every yr.
IMO I think Ottawa has a few prospects with top line potential too & could select another one in this upcoming draft. Brown may not ever produce like Spezza but with his IQ & passing abilities could turn into a pretty good passing centre like a Joe Thornton given he plays with a couple of good finishers. IMO Batherson has top 6 potential as does White & Chlapik. Gustavsson has #1 goalie potential & Chabot & Wolani have top 2 pairing potential & all of these guys can really skate. The problem is that they are still young & not quite fully developed. Even some of their bigger players are good fast skaters like Gagne, Jaros, Formention, Englund & Paul & they have a number of players who can fill numerous roles for them. There is only room for 6 top 6 forwards & 4 top 4 defencemen & they still need players to fill other spots & they have a number of them who can. And let's not forget that Ottawa has a generational player in EK as well, it's the bottom six, bottom pairing & in net that need immediate help & experience & that could take a yr or two to fix.
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I see Zadina as a Rielly Smith or Brandon Saad calibre player.
I wouldn't be surprised to see us take Tkachuk over him. I see Tkachuk as a slightly better playmaking Simmonds.
I wouldn't be surprised to see us take Tkachuk over him. I see Tkachuk as a slightly better playmaking Simmonds.
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Those are some rose coloured glasses you have on. I like the optimism, but this team needs a lot of help, and hoping that every single prospect pans out to reach their absolute ceiling isn't a viable plan for rebuilding the franchise.
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I have that feeling that if Tkachuk is drafted by us, he won't have a smooth transitioning to the nhl. Then with age he will progress and become a dominant complete player. He won't ever be the best offensively of the pack, so some will complain, but he might become one of the most compete.
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Clearly not all of the prospects will pan out & I don't believe I said they would. However, there are prospects that I think most agree have a certain potential. Gustavsson, I have read numerous times has #1 potential, Brown I have read has top line centre potential, Chabot has top pairing potential. Ottawa doesn't need all of their prospects to reach their potential immediately, since they still have players in those positions, but it would help if a number of them did reach their potential quickly to push some of those players out. Gustavsson for example while having #1 potential could take 3 yrs before he will be good enough to push Anderson out, I would prefer next yr but who knows how long it will take or if it will even happen. We hope for the best.
IMO replacing the bottom of the order sooner rather than later would go a long way to making this team better quicker & some of the young guys could certainly do that & grow with the team. It's not gonna happen over night, I see it as a 2 to 3 yr progression moving forward but I think they have enough good players to improve the team as a whole.
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Not sure if you saw last night, but Tkachuk actually said his fave player is Simmonds.
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I'd be happy with that, the comparison would make Tkachuk to be about a 65 point scorer.
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Not surprised, they play quite a similar game. Tkachuk reminds me of Simmonds/Brayden Schenn a lot.
And a force around the net. God knows we desperately need that, especially if we keep Hoffman. I think Tkachuk can score around 55-65 points. 65 closer to his ceiling. 55 closer to his normal production. But steps up in the playoffs. Oshie is also another very good comparison I'd give Tkachuk.
I dunno, I think that's realistic expectation for him. His style and game really remind me of a young Marleau, and I think that could be a good ceiling expectation. But how likely to reach it? I unno.
Yes, the changeover to younger faster players will take 2 or 3 years due to the decisions made in recent years by the former and current GMs.
I don't see it. Saad are Smith are good players. I see star potential in Zadina. I think he has 40 goal potential.
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Yea I think so too, hence my Marleau comparison. But is he likely to reach it? I hope you are right, and I hope he falls to us if thats the case.
I think the key to us getting Zadina, is Montreal staying at 3. If a team trades up to #3, I feel like it would be to take Zadina.
And if push came to shove, I'd trade White to move up one spot to 3 if it ment us getting Zadina or not. I know most of you won't agree with me there. I'm just really high on Zadina and not overly high on White. Let's hope he's there at 4!
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