If Marc Bergevin is fired, who do you want for next Habs GM ?

[Milhouse40]

I disagree that Roy is the same mistake, it's about as different you can go on the GM scale.

If we are real here for a second, this organization is very much still rolling with the Gainey group with some added Bergevin stooges (for the past 18 years). Roy isn't coming here without a total reset.

I don't want Roy as much as I want a total reset.
And frankly, if you think Roy is "the same mistake", well I don't know what to tell you besides you have no idea who Patrick Roy is. We'd make new mistakes, not sure they would be better, but they would be new.

My guy is Mark Hunter....and Roy dont even Come close to his acomplishment as gm.

If Roy is so good why not a single team would even considered him? Hunter as been interview in Pittsburg and Seattle. Not even a call to Roy.

 

[Vachon23]

My guy is Mark Hunter....and Roy dont even Come close to his acomplishment as gm.

If Roy is so good why not a single team would even considered him? Hunter as been interview in Pittsburg and Seattle. Not even a call to Roy.

But Hunter have the same profil of Roy, was a GM in the CHL for many years and have some experience in the NHL.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Hunter ran the Leafs drafts into the ground.. please no. He burned all their picks outside the 1st on coke machines.

 

[Habs10025]

The question is not complicated, if Goeff Molson fire Bergevin this summer, who do you want to be the next Habs GM and why ?

Bergervin will be signed to an extension .

 

[beowulf]

Why is Roy getting so much love? He's done f*** all since his winning the Memorial cup 15 years ago.

Former Hab that was the major factor in the teams last two Cups and he is from here and French? All I can think of as I never saw him as a particularly great coach or good GM in the NHL.

 

[smirob]

Simple question, why do you want a hockey president ?

My assumption is it removes the french speaking requirement for GM if we have a french speaking president for press conferences etc.

 

[Habs Halifax]

My guy is Mark Hunter....and Roy dont even Come close to his acomplishment as gm.

If Roy is so good why not a single team would even considered him? Hunter as been interview in Pittsburg and Seattle. Not even a call to Roy.

Yeah, you are going to take the left overs from who the Leaf's didn't choose? Bobby Smith is a better choice over Hunter. And Roy's resume is better than you give him credit for.

Smith as President and Roy as Assistant GM and Coach. Ducharme as his assistant coach. I'd be down with this. Just give Roy a 1 or 2 year deal to start and limits the risks. The only risks are his emotions to want to win. Is that such a bad thing?

Or Smith as President and Roy as GM and keep Ducharme as coach. I think Bobby would be a great President cause he knows both the hockey side of things and the business side of things as well. I think he would be able to work well with Roy

 

[Vachon23]

I vote we keep Bergevin and continue our search for a coach if we fail to make the playoffs. Bergevin's done some solid work these last few seasons and we're sitting on a nice stockpile of picks and prospects.

Yes he did a good job the last yrs but we need to decide next yrs if we resign him or we go in an other way and I don't trust him to bring this team to a contender

 

[Habs Halifax]

Former Hab that was the major factor in the teams last two Cups and he is from here and French? All I can think of as I never saw him as a particularly great coach or good GM in the NHL.

Roy took the Avs from near last to near first in his 1st season as coach. He has a bad reputation based on him not being able to keep his emotions in check but he is older and more wise today I am sure. Age can do that to humans.

I'd be willing to give Roy a shot. The guy will do what it takes to win and he will call out players like Drouin without thinking twice. I think an authority figure like that at the top sends a good message to those who are complacent.... it's not tolerated

 

[Vachon23]

My assumption is it removes the french speaking requirement for GM if we have a french speaking president for press conferences etc.

Because teams that have a president are teams that are manage by a corporation that have many teams like TOR/LA/BOS, but I'm not sure it's a need here. I know that alote here hate Molson but if Bergevin was doing a solid job, nobody would talk about Molson

 

[Sorinth]

It's not like we are in a position to judge who is a strong candidate anyways.
You probably don't even know what most of the people on that list have done and you have to Google it.

Exactly. We have no idea about the GM vision/philosophy of those guys, even the ones with name recognition like Roy. So asking who should be the next GM is pointless, the better question is what qualities we should look for in a GM.

 

[Vachon23]

For those who are saying that the MacKinnon selection had nothing to do with Patrick Roy, even Nate is saying it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes he did a good job the last yrs but we need to decide next yrs if we resign him or we go in an other way and I don't trust him to bring this team to a contender

Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov, Primeau, Poehling, Guhle, Brook, Norlinder, Harris... and a shit load of solid grade B's behind them. We are really in great shape when we look past the vets. One or two hits in the next few drafts and it's a game changer.

If a new GM is hired, he loves where he is starting from which is where Bergevin has lead us. I've said it 100 times now... the problem is the prospect pool rebuild started a later than is should have. Imagine if we had the same roster but Suzuki, KK, Caufield, Romanov were 25?

 

[SOLR]

My guy is Mark Hunter....and Roy dont even Come close to his acomplishment as gm.

If Roy is so good why not a single team would even considered him? Hunter as been interview in Pittsburg and Seattle. Not even a call to Roy.

Because you are assuming you know? Come on now, the reporting on these interviews is like 10% reliable.

Talk about building an argument on shaky grounds.

 

[Vachon23]

Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov, Primeau, Poehling, Guhle, Brook, Norlinder, Harris... and a shit load of solid grade B's behind them. We are really in great shape when we look past the vets. One or two hits in the next few drafts and it's a game changer.

If a new GM is hired, he loves where he is starting from which is where Bergevin has lead us. I've said it 100 times now... the problem is the prospect pool rebuild started a later than is should have. Imagine if we had the same roster but Suzuki, KK, Caufield, Romanov were 25?

Yes like I said he did a good rebuilding the prospect pool, but I don't trust him to make the move to make this team a contender for many yrs.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Will you relax haha
My point is: nobody know what was the nature of the difference in philosophy.

The Avs were going to become a good team after Roy regardless. To say the team was terrible when he was there and then it became good, is a big “yeah no shit”. It’s not a proof of bad work by Roy and good work by Sakic.

...What? That argument makes zero sense. What's the point of even hiring a GM if a team is going to be a good team regardless. Its not like teams like Buffalo, Edmonton, etc. Colorado was just going to be good.

I'm not sure how you can hand wave the poor job Roy did coaching and his clear philosophy clash. I mean, **** it, just hire anyone off the street who's bilingual. If the Habs are meant to be good, they'll be good.

 

[Hins77]

Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov, Primeau, Poehling, Guhle, Brook, Norlinder, Harris... and a shit load of solid grade B's behind them. We are really in great shape when we look past the vets. One or two hits in the next few drafts and it's a game changer.

If a new GM is hired, he loves where he is starting from which is where Bergevin has lead us. I've said it 100 times now... the problem is the prospect pool rebuild started a later than is should have. Imagine if we had the same roster but Suzuki, KK, Caufield, Romanov were 25?

I think better our days are coming soon... like when Ron Francis been fired in carolina. The next few years carolina did really well. It wasnt because Don Wadell moves. Maybe Francis didnt win a lot during his management time, but he built something strong especially in farm club/prospect pool, for many years.

 

[Vachon23]

Because you are assuming you know? Come on now, the reporting on these interviews is like 10% reliable.

Talk about building an argument on shaky grounds.

Yes for the interview thing, Julien BriseBois never really had a real interview except for the Habs and he's still a good GM

 

[Milhouse40]

But Hunter have the same profil of Roy, was a GM in the CHL for many years and have some experience in the NHL.

Roy wasnt gm of team Canada.
He didnt build a 15 years dynastie like Hunter did and he did not had à executive job either

 

[Vachon23]

I think better our days are coming soon... like when Ron Francis been fired in carolina. The next few years carolina did really well. It wasnt because Don Wadell moves. Maybe Francis didnt win a lot during his management time, but he built something strong especially in farm club/prospect pool, for many years.

I never understood why Francis was fired

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes like I said he did a good rebuilding the prospect pool, but I don't trust him to make the move to make this team a contender for many yrs.

I'm not so sure what moves you want him to make? The only moves he really can make is trading Weber and Price with retention for whoever futures he can get and we have another re set hoping to win a draft lottery at the right time?

The only critics I'll accept from fellow Habs fans on Bergevin is to stop with the vets and trying to win with Price/Weber cause it won't work. I'm on the fence about that but it's a valid debate. Lets face it, if we end up in the 2nd or 3rd round, we get some luck along the way.

So maybe the timing is now to double down on the youth movement. A new GM would be more open to that than Bergevin. That's a fair comment

 

[Milhouse40]

Yeah, you are going to take the left overs from who the Leaf's didn't choose? Bobby Smith is a better choice over Hunter. And Roy's resume is better than you give him credit for.

Smith as President and Roy as Assistant GM and Coach. Ducharme as his assistant coach. I'd be down with this. Just give Roy a 1 or 2 year deal to start and limits the risks. The only risks are his emotions to want to win. Is that such a bad thing?

Or Smith as President and Roy as GM and keep Ducharme as coach. I think Bobby would be a great President cause he knows both the hockey side of things and the business side of things as well. I think he would be able to work well with Roy

Roy always has been a one man show....as a player and as a coach. And what has he donc actually to deserve this job?

Answer Nothing. Hello Timmins has more credential than him

 

[Habs Halifax]

Roy wasnt gm of team Canada.
He didnt build a 15 years dynastie like Hunter did and he did not had à executive job either

Hunter would be Bergevin round 2. Another guy learning on the job and spare parts from the Leafs management where they decided not to hire him.

I pass on Hunter. Sorry bud.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Roy always has been a one man show....as a player and as a coach. And what has he donc actually to deserve this job?

Answer Nothing. Hello Timmins has more credential than him

I'm 50/50 on Roy and 0 on Hunter. I rather Bergevin over Hunter.

The thing with Roy is he understands top talent more than Hunter or Bergevin. Roy has actually played on cup winning teams as a major piece and understand this more than depth players who become management.

I'd take a shot on Roy but I'd bring in a guy like Smith to be his president. Someone Roy respects and can work well with

 

[Milhouse40]

Because you are assuming you know? Come on now, the reporting on these interviews is like 10% reliable.

Talk about building an argument on shaky grounds.

Why is he not in the AHL then?
There is a reaskn why he just picked un an agent this week....would have needed one if other teams were looking at him