If Marc Bergevin is fired, who do you want for next Habs GM ?

[salbutera]

If the Nordiques were coming back, Roy would be their GM and the Nords would kick @SS the Habs to a point that it wouldn't be funny and you know it.

So St.Patrick will magically sprinkle pixy dust and turn Quebec into the tropics? Or will he take the most socialist NHL locale and make it zero provincial tax locale? Otherwise no high end player will ever waive the NTC/NMC let alone sign as UFA

 

[Vachon23]

Not one organization outside Habs would even consider him to clean their toilets.

With all the hedge fund managers entering ownership via US based teams, the game is shifting to Dubas type GMs....it’s a matter of when not if, unless ownership miraculously reverts to old school industrial revolution types. The NHL is firmly an American run business now so that reversion is highly unlikely

The Habs have a choice to make, think outside the box and be prepared for the revolution that’s approaching at high speed, or be left further behind which may take a generation to catch up....

Not really, Yzerman and Sakic are considered as the best GM in the league and the last GM hired where mostly ex players (Hextall (PIT), Guerin (MIN), Francis (SEA) )

 

[Captain Mountain]

Not only TDL deal but Offseason deal to. STL did it by acquiring ROR/Schenn/Perron, they where not scare to sacrifice pick/prospect to get what they needed to win. That's what I want, the winning attitude

Bergevin acquired Toffoli, Anderson, Allen and Edmundson.

He's made many risky trades, including ones where he gave up futures. He's tried to make risky moves too. The problem with Bergevin is not boldness or risk-taking and hearing those complaints are starting to justify Bergevin's dumb Playstation comment.

Bergevin's issues are that he made a dumb bet on Drouin (and being French Canadian probably played a part), he hasn't tried a proper rebuild, he's stuck with bad coaches too long (mostly Lefebvre and Therrien), has an iffy drafting record (especially early in his tenure), and he built a D-core in his and Richardson's image, which is totally outdated to how the game is played.

But bringing up winning attitude? For an organization that wont shut up about character and attitude? That brought in 6 cup winners and veterans praised around the league for their character and work ethic?

No, the issue isn't attitude nor is it boldness. Its a distinct lack of creativity. On the ice or in the front office.

 

[Runner77]

So St.Patrick will magically sprinkle pixy dust and turn Quebec into the tropics? Or will he take the most socialist NHL locale and make it zero provincial tax locale? Otherwise no high end player will ever waive the NTC/NMC let alone sign as UFA

Which players waived their NTC/NMC prior to the last off season, in the Bergevin era? I think Montreal will always have an issue with signing high profile players, it's not California weather and it's a huge fishbowl -- not everyone is suited for that, no matter who the GM is.

That said, I don't know how Roy is a candidate. Last time out he wanted a level of control that is inordinate and that won't sit well with ownership. The checks and balances required to keep a Roy on the straight and narrow, I suspect, will require too many other hirings and taxing internal control measures.

I suspect they'll go for someone with a different profile -- a lower maintenance guy.

 

[Mike Towers]

Not only TDL deal but Offseason deal to. STL did it by acquiring ROR/Schenn/Perron, they where not scare to sacrifice pick/prospect to get what they needed to win. That's what I want, the winning attitude

Yes,Bergevin never sacrificed 1st round picks like every other team in the nhl and he never went for it when Weber and Price were in their primes,he filled some holes but never got the #1 center 9 years in.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

So St.Patrick will magically sprinkle pixy dust and turn Quebec into the tropics? Or will he take the most socialist NHL locale and make it zero provincial tax locale? Otherwise no high end player will ever waive the NTC/NMC let alone sign as UFA

Calgary is in the same situation without any superstars and they give trouble to our beloved Canadiens. Every team have top players, even the Wilds. Look at the Canes, the Islanders and the Panthers today after decades of mediocrity. Look at the Sens in 3 years from now.

 

[Mike Towers]

Bergevin acquired Toffoli, Anderson, Allen and Edmundson.

He's made many risky trades, including ones where he gave up futures. He's tried to make risky moves too. The problem with Bergevin is not boldness or risk-taking and hearing those complaints are starting to justify Bergevin's dumb Playstation comment.

Bergevin's issues are that he made a dumb bet on Drouin (and being French Canadian probably played a part), he hasn't tried a proper rebuild, he's stuck with bad coaches too long (mostly Lefebvre and Therrien), has an iffy drafting record (especially early in his tenure), and he built a D-core in his and Richardson's image, which is totally outdated to how the game is played.

But bringing up winning attitude? For an organization that wont shut up about character and attitude? That brought in 6 cup winners and veterans praised around the league for their character and work ethic?

No, the issue isn't attitude nor is it boldness. Its a distinct lack of creativity. On the ice or in the front office.

Yes,every team in the nhl is trending toward puck moving D....Sakic this summer already had plenty of puck moving D but acquired Toews anyways....Bergevin did the opposite he acquired another stay at home D with Edmundson.

 

[SOLR]

We're talking about the same Patrick Roy here, right? The guy who was HC and VP of Hockey Ops with a garbage Avs team and decided to quit when the team shifted towards modern decision making that lead to where they are now because he didn't like that they shifted directions and stopped listening to him?

The guy that is still a HC and GM because he likes control?

If it was 2002, Roy would be a great GM. But if it was 2002, Bergevin would be a great GM too.

That's not the story with the avs at all. He was coaching the avs, and wanted to have some control on his team. Blame him for being a coach that wants to be a GM, it's about how far this can go. I think he understands now that he wants to be a GM.

GM/HC are often the standard in juniors.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Yes,every team in the nhl is trending toward puck moving D....Sakic this summer already had plenty of puck moving D but acquired Toews anyways....Bergevin did the opposite he acquired another stay at home D with Edmundson.

That one is really a head scratcher....
I know he wanted to add experience and players that had won before but that was a stupid move!! We needed a puck moving D and we still do, just that know with all his moves we don't have much room to do anything!

 

[SOLR]

Yes,every team in the nhl is trending toward puck moving D....Sakic this summer already had plenty of puck moving D but acquired Toews anyways....Bergevin did the opposite he acquired another stay at home D with Edmundson.

Will never understand this, Weber is already slow and Petry is becoming our best D - the writing is on the wall. Good thing is that our prospect pool is not slow on the backend.

 

[dinodebino]

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Mmm.... some could see their wish come true.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Mmm.... some could see their wish come through.

There should definitely be quite a few openings around the league that's for sure. Now, does he want to continue coaching or does he want to be a GM, that's the real question

 

[Vachon23]

Yes,Bergevin never sacrificed 1st round picks like every other team in the nhl and he never went for it when Weber and Price were in their primes,he filled some holes but never got the #1 center 9 years in.

That's exactly what I wanted to say ! Yes he's making good move but he should have done whatever it take to build a winning team around Price/Subban/Pacioretty but he didn't do that and he tried to win with those guy with DD as center #1. After that he did a reset and said that the expectation are high for this season but we don't see any change with the last 2 yrs

 

[Captain Mountain]

Another poster said that he have changed and adapted to the new reality.
But compared to Pierre McGuire, it's better keep Bergevin for god sake!

How on earth can you know that he adapted to the new reality? He's still a Coach/GM in the CHL, which has an entirely different competitive balance.

So how has he changed? Does he have someone who understands data collection and analysis in-house for decision-making purposes? Has he shifted to a more horizontal management structure? Or is he just operating what he did prior to joining the Avs. I don't have any evidence one way or another, so I'm going to use his NHL reputation. Which is awful.

 

[Captain Mountain]

That's not the story with the avs at all. He was coaching the avs, and wanted to have some control on his team. Blame him for being a coach that wants to be a GM, it's about how far this can go. I think he understands now that he wants to be a GM.

GM/HC are often the standard in juniors.

He was VP of hockey operations, he outranked everyone under Sakic in terms of management. He already had more control than every other coach. And he, in his own words, didn't agree with the direction the Avs were going.

 

[angusyoung]

Seeing Roy with a 100 votes is something else...

 

[Vachon23]

How on earth can you know that he adapted to the new reality? He's still a Coach/GM in the CHL, which has an entirely different competitive balance.

So how has he changed? Does he have someone who understands data collection and analysis in-house for decision-making purposes? Has he shifted to a more horizontal management structure? Or is he just operating what he did prior to joining the Avs. I don't have any evidence one way or another, so I'm going to use his NHL reputation. Which is awful.

Because before he was trying to win each yrs with $$ and didn't really had a long-term plan but since he comeback, he said that his big yrs will be next yrs and he did stick to his plan making move to have a really good team next year even if his team had success and I would't bet against QC next yrs... they will be stack. You used his NHL experience but he was with the Avs when they rebuild the team, he's the one who was pushing for MacKinnon in the draft even if a lot of scout wanted Jones and they had Duchene/ROR as centrer, the reason why he quits it's because he wanted to trade up in the draft and that wasn't Sakic philosophy and he wanted to sign Radulov, what would't have hurt the Avs, and Sakic didn't want. The problem is that he was coach and VP, and coach will always want to have the best team possible on paper because there job depend on that but if he's only GM, he won't have this problem

For the analytic part, he's actually using it in QC right now and he even said that he surprisingly like it. He even hired a specialist.
Patrick Roy se laisse tenter par les statistiques avancées

 

[azcanuck]

 

[TannedBum]

Marc Bergevin doesn't do what Marc Bergevin does for Marc Bergevin. Marc Bergevin does what Marc Bergevin does because Marc Bergevin is... Marc Bergevin.

Meaning he won't get fired.

 

[BLONG7]

Marc Bergevin doesn't do what Marc Bergevin does for Marc Bergevin. Marc Bergevin does what Marc Bergevin does because Marc Bergevin is... Marc Bergevin.

Meaning he won't get fired.

I think no matter what happens the rest of the season and da playoff, he is done......he is gone...Money Mol$on has been too quiet, and too invisible...something is cooking. MB will have his 1 yr severance pkg to enjoy, and relax.

 

[SOLR]

He was VP of hockey operations, he outranked everyone under Sakic in terms of management. He already had more control than every other coach. And he, in his own words, didn't agree with the direction the Avs were going.

He was never treated as a VP of hockey operations, they gave him a false contract that they didn't respect quickly (cause of frustration x10).

Not agreeing with the direction is not the same thing as "I want to manage like in 1940", that's just putting a pejorative label by default to make a point. Do you know what "direction" he was advocating for? No you don't.

 

[angusyoung]

I think no matter what happens the rest of the season and da playoff, he is done......he is gone...Money Mol$on has been too quiet, and too invisible...something is cooking. MB will have his 1 yr severance pkg to enjoy, and relax.

Would be great! but I though that Marc Bergevin, AKA HERPES was here for life

 

[Habaneros]

LOL......yes what timing indeed...

 

[26Mats]

LOL......yes what timing indeed...

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I can't say he wouldn't be an improvement.

 

[WeThreeKings]

My bar is really low for the next GM

Just be morally opposed to Tony D.