Seravalli: I wouldnt be shocked if Necas is traded before Game 1 of Cup Finals

[Habs7631]

Meanwhile, Necas has proven to be a 70+ point player when given PP1 deployments and some talent to play with. When that happened, he led the Canes in scoring as a 23 year old, with Kotkaniemi and Svechnikov as his linemates (solid though not elite offensive support).

This past season, the Canes switched up their PP units, and his PP ice time dropped from ~250 mins (1st on the team) to ~160 mins (6th on the team). He also lost his best linemates in Svechnikov, his most common linemates were Drury and Bunting, a pretty big downgrade. To make matters worse, he had terrible 5v5 puck luck, with only 46 GF vs 55.6 xGF

Despite all that, he still finished 3rd on the team in scoring.

He's a legitimate 1st line talent, with one of the most dynamic skill sets in the league. He's averaged a 64 point pace the last 2 years playing almost exclusively with ~3rd line centers and mediocre PP deployments. Give him PP1 duties and some legitimate 1st line players to play with, and he's a threat to break 80-90 points.

I'd value the younger Necas quite a bit more than Hronek, and I think the rest of the league would as well - somebody is probably going to pay him $7-8M on a long term deal, I doubt they'd pay that for Hronek.

His takes are really starting to rub me the wrong way. Why is he so arrogant? He's an overweight plug who has never actually done anything in hockey. I don't see where it comes from.


You're lost dude. Neutral fan here you have absolutely no clue. Necas has game breaking abilities. You want him for cap dumps it's wild. He has way more value than Hronek.

I think Necas is already a better player, depending on what you are looking for. Guentzel is a great complimentary player with an excellent IQ, but he doesn't have the dynamic abilities to drive play like Necas.

You Hurricanes fans are some of the best salesman I’ve ever heard. Truly fascinating stuff.

“We have this player who has game-breaking ability, could easily be PPG with the right line mates and who is currently better Guentzel! We want you to pay what HE COULD BECOME now what he currently is!”

Why hasn’t he hits those numbers with you guys yet ? Why was he downgraded to the third line ? Oh he has Game-breaking ability but he had let check me huh.... 53 pts last year ? 53 pts doesn’t sounds like a game breaking player to me.

He’s already better than Guentzel? So why are Carolina prioritizing signing Jake who’s gonna be 30 to a much higher AAV than signing Necas who’s gonna be cheaper and 4 years younger? Wouldn’t you want to sign the cheaper younger and apparently better player?

Meanwhile, Necas has proven to be a 70+ point player when given PP1 deployments and some talent to play with. When that happened, he led the Canes in scoring as a 23 year old, with Kotkaniemi and Svechnikov as his linemates (solid though not elite offensive support).

This past season, the Canes switched up their PP units, and his PP ice time dropped from ~250 mins (1st on the team) to ~160 mins (6th on the team). He also lost his best linemates in Svechnikov, his most common linemates were Drury and Bunting, a pretty big downgrade. To make matters worse, he had terrible 5v5 puck luck, with only 46 GF vs 55.6 xGF

So when he was given good line mates and the most PP time on the team he had 71pts? That’s far far away from PPG or 90pts that some of you guys claim he will hit.

He wasn't passed on the depth chart, they just shifted their PP units around. He played with Kotkaniemi last year and Kotkaniemi/Drury this year.

And he didn't really have a down year, his ES production was pretty much the same, despite terrible puck luck. The majority of his production drop is due to a reduced PP role.

Love how in this case you only name one linemate (KK). Who was the other one ? Svechnikov right ? Svech stayed on the top 6 while KK and Necas got dropped to the bottom 6.

“He wasn’t passed on the depth chart it’s just he was given worst linemate and a lot less PP time. And no he didn’t really have a down despite scoring 20 less points than last year. And he was unlucky with the puck.”

Sounds to me like a really sophisticated way just to say that he was indeed passed on the depth chart.

If Necas is so useful on top line and top PP why is he having his responsibilities diminished and why would the canes have trouble paying 7 mill for a top liner?

Asking the real questions, but don’t worry you won’t get a real answer.

I assume you didn't watch any of the playoffs if you think that's all he is. Raw talent is blatantly obvious. He is capable of driving a line. In the playoffs. There's not many players that have that talent level.

Yes, this year he was able to drive the 3rd line while letting Guentzel/Aho/Svech/Jarvis/Teravainen/Staal faced the top competition. What happened last years playoffs? So he can produce on the third line in the playoffs for 7-8M/yr, got it.

Necas looked like an absolute game-breaker in the WC’s.

So He looked like an absolute game-breaker playing against 2nd/3nd tier players and a lot of non-NHLer.

On the Leafs he could probably be Willy Nylander in terms of production. Very similar type player but Necas has even more creativity and skill with the puck. Not as consistent though.

Nylander had 98 pts last year.

Nylander has 13 more points in the playoffs then Necas while having played 5 less games. All while facing the opposite team best players on a nightly basis.

Nylander playoffs : 43pts in 54g
Necas playoffs : 30pts in 59g

Nylander last 3 seasons : 98,82,80
Necas last 3 seasons : 53.71.40

I’m taking last 3 seasons because both Nylander and Necas missed significant time that year due to injuries.

We’re not gonna sit here and act like Necas and Nylander should even be uttered in the same sentence. Until proven otherwise, Nylander is several tiers above Necas.

I’m a Habs fan and you made me defend the leafs.

Watch this guy play OT hockey 3 on 3. He would play the entire game like that if he could.

Lolololol

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Posting meme/gifs? Is that the Best you can do? What does that bring to the discussion? Fine I’ll do the same then.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Well it's not, I've never once said anything like that. Just because he benefits from playing with Hughes doesn't mean he can't create on his own. I shouldn't have to explain that.

well, when you insinuate that the only way he can score is by playing with someone like Hughes and that his value is somehow based on that...........

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

You Hurricanes fans are some of the best salesman I’ve ever heard. Truly fascinating stuff.

“We have this player who has game-breaking ability, could easily be PPG with the right line mates and who is currently better Guentzel! We want you to pay what HE COULD BECOME now what he currently is!”

Why hasn’t he hits those numbers with you guys yet ? Why was he downgraded to the third line ? Oh he has Game-breaking ability but he had let check me huh.... 53 pts last year ? 53 pts doesn’t sounds like a game breaking player to me.

He’s already better than Guentzel? So why are Carolina prioritizing signing Jake who’s gonna be 30 to a much higher AAV than signing Necas who’s gonna be cheaper and 4 years younger? Wouldn’t you want to sign the cheaper younger and apparently better player?


So when he was given good line mates and the most PP time on the team he had 71pts? That’s far far away from PPG or 90pts that some of you guys claim he will hit.



Love how in this case you only name one linemate (KK). Who was the other one ? Svechnikov right ? Svech stayed on the top 6 while KK and Necas got dropped to the bottom 6.

“He wasn’t passed on the depth chart it’s just he was given worst linemate and a lot less PP time. And no he didn’t really have a down despite scoring 20 less points than last year. And he was unlucky with the puck.”

Sounds to me like a really sophisticated way just to say that he was indeed passed on the depth chart.


Asking the real questions, but don’t worry you won’t get a real answer.



Yes, this year he was able to drive the 3rd line while letting Guentzel/Aho/Svech/Jarvis/Teravainen/Staal faced the top competition. What happened last years playoffs? So he can produce on the third line in the playoffs for 7-8M/yr, got it.



Oh wow He looked like an absolute game-breaker playing against 2nd/3nd tier players and a lot of non-NHLer.



Nylander had 98 pts last year.

Nylander has 13 more points in the playoffs then Necas while having played 5 less games. All while facing the opposite team best players on a nightly basis.

Nylander playoffs : 43pts in 54g
Necas playoffs : 30pts in 59g

Nylander last 3 seasons : 98,82,80
Necas last 3 seasons : 53.71.40

I’m taking last 3 seasons because both Nylander and Necas missed significant time that year due to injuries.

We’re not gonna sit here and act like Necas and Nylander should even be uttered in the same sentence. Until proven otherwise, Nylander is several tiers above Necas.

I’m a Habs fan and you made me defend the leafs.



Lolololol




Posting meme/gifs? Is that the Best you can do? Fine I’ll do the same then.

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Bro…. Are you OK?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

well, when you insinuate that the only way he can score is by playing with someone like Hughes and that his value is somehow based on that...........

I never insinuated that. You need to learn how to read.

 

[BKarchitect]

This is quite a strange hill for a random Habs fan to die on. The ironic thing is most of the people he is frantically quote tweeting responses to aren’t even Canes fans.

 

[Habs7631]

Bro…. Are you OK?

What’s that supposed to mean?

This a forum to discuss hockey and I’m discussing Necas in a Necas thread, what part of this makes you think I’m not OK ?

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I never insinuated that. You need to learn how to read.

Yes, saying his points totals are not the norm, when they are, and saying he is only top pairing with someone like Hughes, doesn't insinuate that at all......

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yes, saying his points totals are not the norm, when they are, and saying he is only top pairing with someone like Hughes, doesn't insinuate that at all......

It doesn't. A player can be capable of producing offensive on their own and still simultaneously benefit from playing with an elite offensive player.

Without Hughes, Hronek averaged 28 ES points per 82 games in his first 5 seasons, with a career high 31 ES points. That's a fine level of production for a top 4 dman. Then in his first season with Hughes, he put up 37 ES points.

I know this might surprise you, but playing with guys like Quinn Hughes can be beneficial to your stat line.

 

[bert]

But only because Hughes is a superstar, not because Hronek can produce offense himself?

Fixed your comment for you too bud.

You're arguing with neutral fans and keep ignoring all logic. Clearly you can't be reasoned with. As a neutral fan Necas has substantially more value than Hronek.

Hronek was shipped off because he got steam rolled in the two game set against the sens and wings. Same thing happened in the playoffs he can't handle a heavy forcheck when the games get tight. Nhl teams know it, literally everyone except you seem to acknowledge it.

Yes, saying his points totals are not the norm, when they are, and saying he is only top pairing with someone like Hughes, doesn't insinuate that at all......

He just showed his point totals with and without Hughes... are you serious?

 

[bert]

Bro…. Are you OK?

He is not ok and neither of whiskey or I are canes fans haha.

Imagine saying something like Teravainen is taking hard matchups over Necas. Time for a new hobby. Necas elevates and drives play where teravainen is perimeter and soft.

 

[WreckingCrew]

You Hurricanes fans are some of the best salesman I’ve ever heard. Truly fascinating stuff.

“We have this player who has game-breaking ability, could easily be PPG with the right line mates and who is currently better Guentzel! We want you to pay what HE COULD BECOME now what he currently is!”

Why hasn’t he hits those numbers with you guys yet ? Why was he downgraded to the third line ? Oh he has Game-breaking ability but he had let check me huh.... 53 pts last year ? 53 pts doesn’t sounds like a game breaking player to me.

He’s already better than Guentzel? So why are Carolina prioritizing signing Jake who’s gonna be 30 to a much higher AAV than signing Necas who’s gonna be cheaper and 4 years younger? Wouldn’t you want to sign the cheaper younger and apparently better player?


So when he was given good line mates and the most PP time on the team he had 71pts? That’s far far away from PPG or 90pts that some of you guys claim he will hit.



Love how in this case you only name one linemate (KK). Who was the other one ? Svechnikov right ? Svech stayed on the top 6 while KK and Necas got dropped to the bottom 6.

“He wasn’t passed on the depth chart it’s just he was given worst linemate and a lot less PP time. And no he didn’t really have a down despite scoring 20 less points than last year. And he was unlucky with the puck.”

Sounds to me like a really sophisticated way just to say that he was indeed passed on the depth chart.


Asking the real questions, but don’t worry you won’t get a real answer.



Yes, this year he was able to drive the 3rd line while letting Guentzel/Aho/Svech/Jarvis/Teravainen/Staal faced the top competition. What happened last years playoffs? So he can produce on the third line in the playoffs for 7-8M/yr, got it.



So He looked like an absolute game-breaker playing against 2nd/3nd tier players and a lot of non-NHLer.



Nylander had 98 pts last year.

Nylander has 13 more points in the playoffs then Necas while having played 5 less games. All while facing the opposite team best players on a nightly basis.

Nylander playoffs : 43pts in 54g
Necas playoffs : 30pts in 59g

Nylander last 3 seasons : 98,82,80
Necas last 3 seasons : 53.71.40

I’m taking last 3 seasons because both Nylander and Necas missed significant time that year due to injuries.

We’re not gonna sit here and act like Necas and Nylander should even be uttered in the same sentence. Until proven otherwise, Nylander is several tiers above Necas.

I’m a Habs fan and you made me defend the leafs.



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Posting meme/gifs? Is that the Best you can do? What does that bring to the discussion? Fine I’ll do the same then.

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I mean, when there's that many bad takes and inaccuracies in 1 post, not much else one can do in reply...it'd be an effort in futility like trying to prove to a Flerfer that the Earth isn't flat

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Listening to Elliotte today it doesn't seem like it'll be Hronek, though as a hockey deal it atleast makes some sense.

If they are going for futures I wonder if Hoglander + next year's 1st would be the base. Maybe other teams would have better to offer, atleast betters 1sts anyways.

 

[newsportsfan123]

Seems like Hronek is being overrated in this thread. Btw, he’s only posted one positive defensive season, just remember that.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Seems like Hronek is being overrated in this thread. Btw, he’s only posted one positive defensive season, just remember that.

Hasn’t he only been on bad Detroit rosters until now? You could say the same about plenty of young defencemen, like Dahlin’s first four seasons. Seems like an idiotic position to take that lacks any nuance.

 

[newsportsfan123]

Hasn’t he only been on bad Detroit rosters until now? You could say the same about plenty of young defencemen, like Dahlin’s first four seasons. Seems like an idiotic position to take that lacks any nuance.

Defensive analytics are isolated metrics. Also, he had his worst defensive season this year.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Regardless of where and what team Necas ends up on he is a player who has publicly requested a trade and won’t sign in Carolina. This significantly handicaps Carolina in negotiations as “we will just keep him” isn’t an option.

Teams smell blood and at the end of the day he doesn’t play a premium position and wants to also get paid. I’m betting the ask and end outcome will be totally different in value.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Rob Blake’s gotta be all over this. We can have the most expensive 40 point third line in the league with Dubois - Danault - Necas.

Good to know someone else from Montreal calls Danault a glorified top 6 player. ''Selke player'' -french media for years

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

It's pretty strange reading a bunch of 'impartial' eastern fans mansplaining to Canucks fans who Hronek is and what his limitations are.

Now, there was a smart post in here that acknowledged that the real reasons it isn't a fit at all are:

1. Canucks are actually thinner at RD than Carolina.
2. The only reason we would consider trading Hronek is if he's a total headache financially and Carolina really doesn't play that game, so if we don't want him neither do they.
3. If Carolina goes for an RD they're looking for a more stout defender with lower offensive upside (at least in terms of what they would pay a premium for).

But seeing pedantry around whether Hronek had 38 or 41 even strength points is hilarious. When you're needing to parse through the weeds to delineate that a one way winger 'ackshually' scored like 4 more even strength points than the first pairing D then you've already lost the war.

Now, I think it's a defensible position to say that you look at Necas's tools, the way he was utilized in Carolina, and his relatively young age, and think that he should be valued a lot higher than his box cars suggest and so you're not willing to deal him for a good D with a potentially headache contract. That is a very defensible position. Necas has some elite tools and if his hockey sense can keep up with his tools and he gets utilized differently, maybe he can be an 80 point player.

But trying to use stats to support your argument or arguing that Hronek actually isn't very good. Or, my personal favorite, acting like Anthony DeAngelo has any place in a conversation about Hronek at all is a lot like the special needs person masturbating at a bus stop. It might feel good, but it's pointless and it makes people uncomfortable because it's weird and wrong.

 

[spockBokk]

Regardless of where and what team Necas ends up on he is a player who has publicly requested a trade and won’t sign in Carolina. This significantly handicaps Carolina in negotiations as “we will just keep him” isn’t an option.

Teams smell blood and at the end of the day he doesn’t play a premium position and wants to also get paid. I’m betting the ask and end outcome will be totally different in value.

They have 2 yrs of control. They find a deal they like or he’s stuck with CAR for the next 2yrs if he wants to make $$$.

No reason to trade him or value him at less than full sticker price

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

It's pretty strange reading a bunch of 'impartial' eastern fans mansplaining to Canucks fans who Hronek is and what his limitations are.

Now, there was a smart post in here that acknowledged that the real reasons it isn't a fit at all are:

1. Canucks are actually thinner at RD than Carolina.
2. The only reason we would consider trading Hronek is if he's a total headache financially and Carolina really doesn't play that game, so if we don't want him neither do they.
3. If Carolina goes for an RD they're looking for a more stout defender with lower offensive upside (at least in terms of what they would pay a premium for).

But seeing pedantry around whether Hronek had 38 or 41 even strength points is hilarious. When you're needing to parse through the weeds to delineate that a one way winger 'ackshually' scored like 4 more even strength points than the first pairing D then you've already lost the war.

Now, I think it's a defensible position to say that you look at Necas's tools, the way he was utilized in Carolina, and his relatively young age, and think that he should be valued a lot higher than his box cars suggest and so you're not willing to deal him for a good D with a potentially headache contract. That is a very defensible position. Necas has some elite tools and if his hockey sense can keep up with his tools and he gets utilized differently, maybe he can be an 80 point player.

But trying to use stats to support your argument or arguing that Hronek actually isn't very good. Or, my personal favorite, acting like Anthony DeAngelo has any place in a conversation about Hronek at all is a lot like the special needs person masturbating at a bus stop. It might feel good, but it's pointless and it makes people uncomfortable because it's weird and wrong.

Lol. This is too good. Butt hurtitis big time. Reading comprehension ain’t yo thing.

Its like mansplaining what hronek is but isn’t supported by any metrics.

You actually used mansplaining. I can’t stop laughing

 

[Hawkaholic]

If Necas is so useful on top line and top PP why is he having his responsibilities diminished and why would the canes have trouble paying 7 mill for a top liner?

No one answered this question by the looks of it. Solid question.

Canes lack a game breaking talent, yet apparently have one in Necas, but don't use him as such. With one of the better coaches in the league, may I add.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If Necas is so useful on top line and top PP why is he having his responsibilities diminished and why would the canes have trouble paying 7 mill for a top liner?

Necas hasn’t found chemistry with Aho since being here unless its 3v3.

He did play on the 1st pp. the 2nd pp unit was struggling and we needed someone who could carry the puck in to the zone to establish the pp. necas was our most dynamic puck carrier

 

[Ezekial]

Hasn’t he only been on bad Detroit rosters until now? You could say the same about plenty of young defencemen, like Dahlin’s first four seasons. Seems like an idiotic position to take that lacks any nuance.

When he was on the Wings he got fed a lot of minutes and played on top pp.

It's funny that the first half of the season Wings fans told Canucks fans that we didn't hate Hronek we just didn't want to pay him and they said we were haters. Now they don't want to pay him either.

 

[KrisLeturnover]

Lmao. If this happens, I will change my name to MarnerSimp6432.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

When he was on the Wings he got fed a lot of minutes and played on top pp.

It's funny that the first half of the season Wings fans told Canucks fans that we didn't hate Hronek we just didn't want to pay him and they said we were haters. Now they don't want to pay him either.

I was responding to the +/- aspect of that argument though.