Seravalli: I wouldnt be shocked if Necas is traded before Game 1 of Cup Finals

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I'd consider Hronek more of a 2/3/4. With an elite partner, he's capable of playing on the top pairing, obviously.

He wasn't passed on the depth chart, they just shifted their PP units around. He played with Kotkaniemi last year and Kotkaniemi/Drury this year.

And he didn't really have a down year, his ES production was pretty much the same, despite terrible puck luck. The majority of his production drop is due to a reduced PP role.


Nice try on the reading comprehension. I detailed the logic, and it has nothing to do with him "breaking out"... Come on, reading isn't that hard.

I've heard a few canes fans and media say he was passed by Jarvis, maybe I am wrong.

How do you explain his plus/minus? Was that bad line mates and bad puck luck too?

You called him a legit 1st liner, he hasn't proven that in any way, 80-90 points would absolutely be breaking out, how would it not?

 

[SirloinUB]

Berggren + 15th Overall?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Carolina's PP was #2 in the league in the regular season. There was no reason to fix what wasn't broken. Jarvis net front, Bunting/Guentzel bumper, Aho left half wall, Svechnikov right wall and Burns center point clicked for whatever reason. Unfortunately, it stopped clicking at the worst time.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Love how you downplay Hronek, even though he proved he was a top pairing guy last year, while playing on a team that actually can defend properly and had balance through out the line up (as opposed to the wIngs, who let's face it have been a tire fire for years), you act like Hronek isn't a top pairing guy though he proved it this year, and some how Necas is a sure fire top line forward even though he actually had a down year, hmmmm...

How is Necas this overrated? Was he not passed on the depth chart by a younger Seth Jarvis? But somehow he is a threat to get 80-90 points a year (even though he has never had more than 70), somehow a legit first line player, he just needs to break out? LOL come on.

Deangelo played on the top pairing too one season and did well until the playoffs.

Just because dudes can play and look good in a regular season with an elite partner doesn’t make them a 1st pairing defender.

The playoffs showed the same to Hronek as it did with TDA, the regular season isn’t the playoffs. If you arent a top pairing guy playing top pair, you will be exposed.

Hronek is a 2nd pair guy who can’t handle his own in front of the net during the playoffs

 

[SirloinUB]

I would be very surprised if he is traded before the cup finals are complete.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Deangelo played on the top pairing too one season and did well until the playoffs.

Just because dudes can play and look good in a regular season with an elite partner doesn’t make them a 1st pairing defender.

The playoffs showed the same to Hronek as it did with TDA, the regular season isn’t the playoffs. If you arent a top pairing guy playing top pair, you will be exposed.

Hronek is a 2nd pair guy who can’t handle his own in front of the net during the playoffs

Deangelo is now comparable to Hronek, ok then.........

Could Hronek being hurt have had anything to do with his play in the playoffs? Hmmm....

 

[bert]

I mean STATS are an indication of how productive a player is, I don't understand how you can say just ignore the stats, his stats indicate he is a low end 1st line player, there is nothing I've ever seen watching Necas up until this point that he will be anything more than a supporting player to a star, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I didn't say ignore them but there's more to it. Carolina scores by committee and he had a 70+ point season as a 23 year old. The eye test says it's not a 1 off. So yes saying he is a 55 point player is lazy. He doesn't play with aho he doesn't play first pp. A good comparable for a sens fan was havlat. Ultra talented player who carried a line down in the lineup.

I assume you didn't watch any of the playoffs if you think that's all he is. Raw talent is blatantly obvious. He is capable of driving a line. In the playoffs. There's not many players that have that talent level.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

It makes no sense to give up quality assets for a 25 yr old 40-50 pt player who wants an 8 year deal above $8M per based on what appears to have been fluke 22-23 season

He certainly doesn't justify raise with his regression this past year

Oh and he yet again MIA in big moments for Canes



Paying a 40-50 pt guy $8M+ for 8 years while giving away likely 1st + prospect in package is a poor move for any franchise let alone a team in rebuild

Yea... skilled 25 yr old players suck!.

may as well get CAP SPACE put on the back of ur jersey; Necas would be a big pick up for the hawks

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Deangelo is now comparable to Hronek, ok then.........

Could Hronek being hurt have had anything to do with his play in the playoffs? Hmmm....

if thats all you got out of that it would be pointless to discuss this with you.

couldnt everyone use being hurt as an excuse in the playoffs? its okay that he is just a 2RD that will get badly overpaid because he played one season with Hughes.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Deangelo played on the top pairing too one season and did well until the playoffs.

Just because dudes can play and look good in a regular season with an elite partner doesn’t make them a 1st pairing defender.

The playoffs showed the same to Hronek as it did with TDA, the regular season isn’t the playoffs. If you arent a top pairing guy playing top pair, you will be exposed.

Hronek is a 2nd pair guy who can’t handle his own in front of the net during the playoffs

Hronek was fine defensively in the playoffs. He wasn’t moving/shooting the puck as effectively though and many are attributing it to what is an expected wrist injury.

 

[mriswith]

Hronek's career high is 48 points. He's a fine defender but he's not a true top pairing guy, and really struggled down the stretch.

Meanwhile, Necas has proven to be a 70+ point player when given PP1 deployments and some talent to play with. When that happened, he led the Canes in scoring as a 23 year old, with Kotkaniemi and Svechnikov as his linemates (solid though not elite offensive support).

This past season, the Canes switched up their PP units, and his PP ice time dropped from ~250 mins (1st on the team) to ~160 mins (6th on the team). He also lost his best linemates in Svechnikov, his most common linemates were Drury and Bunting, a pretty big downgrade. To make matters worse, he had terrible 5v5 puck luck, with only 46 GF vs 55.6 xGF

Despite all that, he still finished 3rd on the team in scoring.

He's a legitimate 1st line talent, with one of the most dynamic skill sets in the league. He's averaged a 64 point pace the last 2 years playing almost exclusively with ~3rd line centers and mediocre PP deployments. Give him PP1 duties and some legitimate 1st line players to play with, and he's a threat to break 80-90 points.

I'd value the younger Necas quite a bit more than Hronek, and I think the rest of the league would as well - somebody is probably going to pay him $7-8M on a long term deal, I doubt they'd pay that for Hronek.

Necas is a 40 ES point player. Even his 70 point season he was still a 40 ES point player.

Same as Hronek this season except Hronek played top pairing minutes and played through injury for a large chunk of the season including the entire playoffs.

Maybe you think the guy who couldn't make your PP1 would put up 40-50 PP points on another team to hit that 80-90 point mark but no one else is going to think that.

Canucks have spent two seasons trying and failing to trade wingers with similar production where it matters than Necas for RD. That's why Canucks fans can't collectively roll their eyes hard enough at cane fans who think their 40 even strength point winger who is about to be traded because of his contract demand is worth a 40 even strength point RD who played top pairing minutes all season. And I'm not even a big fan of Hronek.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

This sounds like it's tailor made for a Wild-Flyers trade IMO. TK + something small for 2024 1st and Rossi. Flyers can easily retain on TK for 1 year, or take back a dump for a year. Wild buy another year for Yurov, sort out their cap and remove an 'expendable' piece in Rossi. Flyers get another pick and a desperately needed skilled center. Curious as to what else Minnesota needs. The value also prefaces an extension for TK.

Konecny is on my short-list as well. Would have to be a 2025 pick though since he can't be extended at the draft, and I don't particularly want to vacate #13 either.

I've said this before, but Necas's status actually matches up well with Minnesota's situation.

Take Necas to arbitration for a year or sign a 1 year deal while Minnesota gets out from under the worst of the buyouts. Then next year with cap space, sign Necas to a long-term deal while he's still 1 year out from UFA.

What Minnesota moves to make the deal happen, no idea. But I think they could squeeze Necas in for 24-25 before signing him long-term.

Kind of tough to start off a relationship with a player by taking him to arbitration.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

if thats all you got out of that it would be pointless to discuss this with you.

couldnt everyone use being hurt as an excuse in the playoffs? its okay that he is just a 2RD that will get badly overpaid because he played one season with Hughes.

You act like Hronek is a flash in the pan, like Denagelo, if you knew the player, you'd know how wrong you are, talk about pointless discussion, like other Canucks players, you're clueless. there is literally no comparison between the two players.

Yes, that is the only reason he will get paid, if that's all you think of the player, than I question whether you know anything about the player at all.

He literally didn't take a slap shot until the last game of the playoffs, it wasn't an excuse it legitimately hindered him.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798056804255178841

Friedman was the one who brought up the idea to begin with. His source(s) must have corrected him or he's reading the F26 contingent on HF!

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798056804255178841

Friedman was the one who brought up the idea to begin with. His source(s) must have corrected him or he's reading the F26 contingent on HF!

If this is the case then I hope the Canucks let some other team overpay.

 

[thefutures]

If this is the case then I hope the Canucks let some other team overpay.

Yeah pretty easy no

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Necas is a 40 ES point player. Even his 70 point season he was still a 40 ES point player.

Same as Hronek this season except Hronek played top pairing minutes and played through injury for a large chunk of the season including the entire playoffs.

Maybe you think the guy who couldn't make your PP1 would put up 40-50 PP points on another team to hit that 80-90 point mark but no one else is going to think that.

Canucks have spent two seasons trying and failing to trade wingers with better production where it matters than Necas for RD. That's why Canucks fans can't collectively roll their eyes hard enough at cane fans who think their 40 even strength point winger is worth a 40 even strength point RD who played top pairing minutes all season. And I'm not even a big fan of Hronek.

1. Necas had 44 ES points last year and 40 is 77 games this year. He's 2nd on the Hurricanes in ES scoring over the last two years, and he's done that while being centered by Drury and Kotkaniemi.
2. Hronek had 37 ES points this year, not 40. And he did that while benefiting from playing alongside the best offensive dman in the league last year. That is not going to be a trend for him.
3. 44 > 40 > 37
4. I am a devils fan

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798056804255178841

Friedman was the one who brought up the idea to begin with. His source(s) must have corrected him or he's reading the F26 contingent on HF!

Not at all surprising that the Canes would want more than Hronek.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

1. Necas had 44 ES points last year and 40 is 77 games this year. He's 2nd on the Hurricanes in ES scoring over the last two years, and he's done that while being centered by Drury and Kotkaniemi.
2. Hronek had 37 ES points this year, not 40. And he did that while benefiting from playing alongside the best offensive dman in the league last year. That is not going to be a trend for him.
3. 44 > 40 > 37
4. I am a devils fan


Not at all surprising that the Canes would want more than Hronek.

Except he had 38 points two years in a row on a garbage wings team before being traded to the Canucks, curious who did he benefit from in those two years? I mean that surely doesn't mean that points are consistent for him or anything........

 

[bleedgreen]

I actually don’t hate the idea of a Necas for Hronek as the basis of a trade. If we lose Pesce we need a guy who’s definitely a top four and could help the pp. Hronek is a good fit imo. To me the problem is that we trade one contract issue for another, and it’s probable we’re going to get better offers.

I think we’d still try to get Hronek even if it’s not through Necas, though I have no idea what we’d use for that.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

hopefully friedman is right and we passed on Hronek.

 

[mriswith]

1. Necas had 44 ES points last year and 40 is 77 games this year. He's 2nd on the Hurricanes in ES scoring over the last two years, and he's done that while being centered by Drury and Kotkaniemi.
2. Hronek had 37 ES points this year, not 40. And he did that while benefiting from playing alongside the best offensive dman in the league last year. That is not going to be a trend for him.
3. 44 > 40 > 37
4. I am a devils fan


Not at all surprising that the Canes would want more than Hronek.

You're just repeating what I said. What's your point?

Garland scored 50 ES points with crap minutes his first season on the Canucks and outproduced Necas at even strength where it matters every year of his career except his slump last year, while making way less than what Necas apparently wants. We couldn't trade him for a top pairing RD. Canes wanting Hronek with an add is funny to us after what we've seen.

Carolina has got to have the most antagonistic mgmt group in the league when it comes to trades. Every deal has to be a massive win on day 1, they do not believe in offering fair value, and that's why they end up dumpster diving every year.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Except he had 38 points two years in a row on a garbage wings team before being traded to the Canucks, curious who did he benefit from in those two years? I mean that surely doesn't mean that points are consistent for him or anything........

These are his ES point totals during each year in Detroit:

17
21
15
31
22

He averaged 28 ES points per 82 games in Detroit. Then he dropped 37 while playing next to Hughes.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Carolina has got to have the most antagonistic mgmt group in the league when it comes to trades. Every deal has to be a massive win on day 1, they do not believe in offering fair value, and that's why they end up dumpster diving every year.

none of that is true. but go on.....

 

[Bond]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798056804255178841

Friedman was the one who brought up the idea to begin with. His source(s) must have corrected him or he's reading the F26 contingent on HF!

If they want a player like Pettersson in return then Necas will still be with the Canes lol

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If they want a player like Pettersson in return then Necas will still be with the Canes lol

you dont understand the tweet. they didnt offer necas up 1 for 1 for EP40.