Seravalli: I wouldnt be shocked if Necas is traded before Game 1 of Cup Finals

[Petes2424]

The Flames better be real careful on this deal. Especially if Sharongovich and Markstrom are involved.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The Flames better be real careful on this deal. Especially if Sharongovich and Markstrom are involved.

Markstrom is getting ready to be 35, I don’t think the flames have to worry about being careful with a deal involving him. Move him while he has value

 

[MicronMega]

Necas would be a great add depending on the price to trade and to sign.

Guentzal-Bedard-Necas would be a solid line

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Hronek straight up for Necas is a bad deal for Vancouver, especially if it’s true that Necas is asking for $7M+. I’d rather have Hronek at $8M.

100%.

A top pairing 50 point two-way RHD is much more valuable than a 50-70 point winger. I mean, maybe Hronek is a 40 point top 4 RHD without Hughes, but that’s still more valuable than Necas imo.

Carolina adds to Necas.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Any other fanbases want to throw something out there? The Canucks talk is boring at this point. Half of the league has called on him reportedly.

 

[Canucks LB]

 

[Hodge]

Any other fanbases want to throw something out there? The Canucks talk is boring at this point. Half of the league has called on him reportedly.

14th OA + Ferraro + Bystedt from the Sharks. Probably not enough value for Carolina but not sure how much more the Sharks can afford to add at this stage of the rebuild.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I wouldn’t be shocked if Seravelli’s ego gets too big for the tv screen by the Draft.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Seravelli is no better then eklund both spit nonsense

 

[Habs7631]

You’re not going to get Necas for Jordan Harris plus a late 1st. He’s got 2yrs of team control left, he’s worth a ton.

He’s not worth a ton. At his current cap hit sure, but he won’t be worth a ton on this new contract he’s asking for.

Canes should just take him to arbitration.
Rumors are that he’s asking for 7-8M/year?

Dude is a winger who had 53pts and was -9 on a team that was +63 and had the 3rd best record. Definition of a defensive liability. PP merchant.

Wants to play center but can’t outplay 35YO Jordan Staal for the 2C because of how bad he is at defence and face offs so had to play 3rd line RW during the playoffs.

9 pts in 11 games in the playoffs this year. Looked a lot better than last year playoffs where he disappeared until you remember he was playing on the 3rd line so he didn’t face the opposing teams best players this time around. And was still +0.

Canes management should take him to arbitration and win this case handily. He has absolutely no case to request anywhere near 7M.

Soft, middle 6 winger, defensive liability with the hockey IQ of a squirrel.

41% FO in the NHL.

So not only is he a defensive liability but if you grant him his wish and put him at center you’ll start the play from behind most of the time since he can’t win a FO.

The mediator will give him 2 years at 5M if he’s lucky. Which is really how much he’s worth.

What most will point out is the ridiculous notion that the Canes taking back Mikheyev is any such swap is “fair”

I'm not sure what the problem is.

So Canucks fans are offering their 26yo top-pairing RD who had 5 less points than Necas as a defenseman while playing strong defense and being +33? For Martin Necas? Then yes, they get to dump salary in the trade to make it fair.

It's that or Canes add significantly (either a 1st or one of your top prospect or another roster player).

Hronek + Mikheyev for Necas ? Carolina GM should accept and finalize this trade before Jim Rutherford remembers to take his alzheimer's pills.

14th OA + Ferraro + Bystedt from the Sharks. Probably not enough value for Carolina but not sure how much more the Sharks can afford to add at this stage of the rebuild.

14th OA is more than enough by itself for Necas. No need to add anything.

 

[HuGort]

According to Frank Seravalli and Daily Face Off:

Frank says that Carolina is the team to watch and big moves could be happening this week as they are needing to get the ball rolling on signing some of their UFAs.

"I wouldnt be shocked if Necas is traded before game 1 of Cup Finals"

Glad Habs not in on Necas. He's overrated and expensive

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Necas is a 40 ES point winger.

He had the same ES production as both Hronek and Hoglander except one of those is a RD who played big minutes and the other makes 1.1M.

Canes fans are beyond delusional about Necas' value.

I thought you meant all points my mistake, I have him pegged as a guy who in the right situation could be a 70 point guy and feel he would be a good fit next to EP and someone who could inject some life on our pp1. That being said I don't want to subtract someone like Hogz or Podz, nor do I want him to be the only big add in the top six.

Basically I only want him if Alvin decides Hronek is asking to much and they decide to target say Tanev, keep Myers and Zadorov.

Any deal would have to also have a heavy plus attached as well but I agree he is being way overvalued around here , he's a winger, he's not great defensively but playing with EP would mitigate that some what.

Ehlers is potentially a better fit since a pass first guy is something we lack ATM

 

[newsportsfan123]

He’s not worth a ton. At his current cap hit sure, but he won’t be worth a ton on this new contract he’s asking for.

Canes should just take him to arbitration.
Rumors are that he’s asking for 7-8M/year?

Dude is a winger who had 53pts and was -9 on a team that was +63 and had the 3rd best record. Definition of a defensive liability. PP merchant.

Wants to play center but can’t outplay 35YO Jordan Staal for the 2C because of how bad he is at defence and face offs so had to play 3rd line RW during the playoffs.

9 pts in 11 games in the playoffs this year. Looked a lot better than last year playoffs where he disappeared until you remember he was playing on the 3rd line so he didn’t face the opposing teams best players this time around. And was still +0.

Canes management should take him to arbitration and win this case handily. He has absolutely no case to request anywhere near 7M.

Soft, middle 6 winger, defensive liability with the hockey IQ of a squirrel.

41% FO in the NHL.

So not only is he a defensive liability but if you grant him his wish and put him at center you’ll start the play from behind most of the time since he can’t win a FO. There's a reason why he gets a staggering 62% Offensive Zone Starts and only 38% Defensive Zone Starts.

The mediator will give him 2 years at 5M if he’s lucky. Which is really how much he’s worth.



I'm not sure what the problem is.

So Canucks fans are offering their 26yo top-pairing RD who had 5 less points than Necas as a defenseman while playing strong defense and being +33? For Martin Necas? Then yes, they get to dump salary in the trade to make it fair.

It's that or Canes add significantly (either a 1st or one of your top prospect or another roster player).

Hronek + Mikheyev for Necas ? Carolina GM should accept and finalize this trade before Jim Rutherford remembers to take his alzheimer's pills.



14th OA is more than enough by itself for Necas. No need to add anything.

Hronek’s defense is the weakest part of his game. His underlying stats ain’t good defensively. He’s had one positive defensive season in his whole career and that was last season when he got traded. Every other year has been negative.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

100%.

A top pairing 50 point two-way RHD is much more valuable than a 50-70 point winger. I mean, maybe Hronek is a 40 point top 4 RHD without Hughes, but that’s still more valuable than Necas imo.

Carolina adds to Necas.

Hronek's career high is 48 points. He's a fine defender but he's not a true top pairing guy, and really struggled down the stretch.

Meanwhile, Necas has proven to be a 70+ point player when given PP1 deployments and some talent to play with. When that happened, he led the Canes in scoring as a 23 year old, with Kotkaniemi and Svechnikov as his linemates (solid though not elite offensive support).

This past season, the Canes switched up their PP units, and his PP ice time dropped from ~250 mins (1st on the team) to ~160 mins (6th on the team). He also lost his best linemates in Svechnikov, his most common linemates were Drury and Bunting, a pretty big downgrade. To make matters worse, he had terrible 5v5 puck luck, with only 46 GF vs 55.6 xGF

Despite all that, he still finished 3rd on the team in scoring.

He's a legitimate 1st line talent, with one of the most dynamic skill sets in the league. He's averaged a 64 point pace the last 2 years playing almost exclusively with ~3rd line centers and mediocre PP deployments. Give him PP1 duties and some legitimate 1st line players to play with, and he's a threat to break 80-90 points.

I'd value the younger Necas quite a bit more than Hronek, and I think the rest of the league would as well - somebody is probably going to pay him $7-8M on a long term deal, I doubt they'd pay that for Hronek.

 

[KingJoffrey]

Even if Dundon is little bit weird even he's not stupid enough to let interim GM to make a major there if he's on track hiring a new GM. If the interim GM stays then it's a different story.

 

[bert]

Seravalli hunting for clicks and attention

His takes are really starting to rub me the wrong way. Why is he so arrogant? He's an overweight plug who has never actually done anything in hockey. I don't see where it comes from.

I could see a trade based around Mikheyev + Hoglander for Necas + Kotkaniemi.

You're lost dude. Neutral fan here you have absolutely no clue. Necas has game breaking abilities. You want him for cap dumps it's wild. He has way more value than Hronek.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

I doubt Canucks are serious about Necas especially with the news that Guentzel is hitting Free Agency.

I think Canucks number 1 target is JG and they wont be doing anything until the free agency window opens. I think if JG lets them know he isnt interexted in Van then Van will circle back to Necas.

Necas makes more sense than Guentzel in some ways given his age, Guentzel is probably a better player to help win a cup the next 2-3 years but Necas age fits right in with Pettersson/Hughes & he likely comes a little cheaper than Guentzel too

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

To stick up for Hoglander a bit, he had 24 goals this year - just as many as Necas - but all at EV while Necas scored 8 of his 24 on the PP. And Hogs is a younger player with room to grow that has another year on a dirt cheap deal.

Not saying he's as valuable straight up but you can see why a cap team would value a player like that as part of a package.

The intriguing part of Necas is the idea he can be better than he's shown alongside a guy like Pettersson, but trading Hronek for him would create a more difficult hole to fill imo. And I'm also not a 100% convinced Necas is guaranteed a PP1 spot here either which Carolina fans seem to think he needs to unlock his potential.

Idk, I'd like to see him here but it does seem like a bit of a hope move.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A 40-50 point guy? He just finished a 53 point season after a 71 point season, and played at a 63 point pace in the abbreviated 20-21 season.

I can understand not valuing him at 71 points like 22-23, but he's proven to be above 40-50. If any season in Necas's career is an outlier, it's the 21-22 season.

He's a good young player just touching prime. Many are considering him a sure shot top 6F but I have him as a middle 6F but at the higher end of that waive. It's basically how the Canes utilized him so not so sure why fans are getting twisted on this assessment. Well above average 3rd liner and OK 2nd liner. High tempo guy with great skating and a good shot.

0.67 pts/game in his career and I believe 0.71/game over the last few seasons. I would say he is a 50-60 pts guy depending on team fit.

The risky part here is he needs a new contract and is probably looking for 6+ years. Team trading for him would have to pay the trade value and also a long term contract where they hope he fits their team and core of players.

Habs picked up Dach and Newhook at a cheaper price because they were younger than Necas and we were able to bridge them before they reached UFA. A lot of Habs fans talking about Necas but I personally pass. Cost to acquire is too high and cost of the contract is also too high.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Necas makes more sense than Guentzel in some ways given his age, Guentzel is probably a better player to help win a cup the next 2-3 years but Necas age fits right in with Pettersson/Hughes & he likely comes a little cheaper than Guentzel too

I think Necas is already a better player, depending on what you are looking for. Guentzel is a great complimentary player with an excellent IQ, but he doesn't have the dynamic abilities to drive play like Necas.

 

[WreckingCrew]

He’s not worth a ton. At his current cap hit sure, but he won’t be worth a ton on this new contract he’s asking for.

Canes should just take him to arbitration.
Rumors are that he’s asking for 7-8M/year?

Dude is a winger who had 53pts and was -9 on a team that was +63 and had the 3rd best record. Definition of a defensive liability. PP merchant.

Wants to play center but can’t outplay 35YO Jordan Staal for the 2C because of how bad he is at defence and face offs so had to play 3rd line RW during the playoffs.

9 pts in 11 games in the playoffs this year. Looked a lot better than last year playoffs where he disappeared until you remember he was playing on the 3rd line so he didn’t face the opposing teams best players this time around. And was still +0.

Canes management should take him to arbitration and win this case handily. He has absolutely no case to request anywhere near 7M.

Soft, middle 6 winger, defensive liability with the hockey IQ of a squirrel.

41% FO in the NHL.

So not only is he a defensive liability but if you grant him his wish and put him at center you’ll start the play from behind most of the time since he can’t win a FO.

The mediator will give him 2 years at 5M if he’s lucky. Which is really how much he’s worth.



I'm not sure what the problem is.

So Canucks fans are offering their 26yo top-pairing RD who had 5 less points than Necas as a defenseman while playing strong defense and being +33? For Martin Necas? Then yes, they get to dump salary in the trade to make it fair.

It's that or Canes add significantly (either a 1st or one of your top prospect or another roster player).

Hronek + Mikheyev for Necas ? Carolina GM should accept and finalize this trade before Jim Rutherford remembers to take his alzheimer's pills.



14th OA is more than enough by itself for Necas. No need to add anything.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He's a good young player just touching prime. Many are considering him a sure shot top 6F but I have him as a middle 6F but at the higher end of that waive. It's basically how the Canes utilized him so not so sure why fans are getting twisted on this assessment. Well above average 3rd liner and OK 2nd liner. High tempo guy with great skating and a good shot.

0.67 pts/game in his career and I believe 0.71/game over the last few seasons. I would say he is a 50-60 pts guy depending on team fit.

The risky part here is he needs a new contract and is probably looking for 6+ years. Team trading for him would have to pay the trade value and also a long term contract where they hope he fits their team and core of players.

Habs picked up Dach and Newhook at a cheaper price because they were younger than Necas and we were able to bridge them before they reached UFA. A lot of Habs fans talking about Necas but I personally pass. Cost to acquire is too high and cost of the contract is also too high.

He's averaged a 64 point pace the last 2 seasons while being centered by a 3C (56 and 71 points), how is that a 50-60 point player?

 

[Curufinwe]

Any other fanbases want to throw something out there? The Canucks talk is boring at this point. Half of the league has called on him reportedly.

Torts wants to get rid of Frost and Farabee, so I could see something happening there.

Frost is 25 with 1 year left at $2.1m.

Farabee is 24 with 3 years left at $5m.

 

[bleedgreen]

Torts wants to get rid of Frost and Farabee, so I could see something happening there.

Frost is 25 with 1 year left at $2.1m.

Farabee is 24 with 3 years left at $5m.

Apparently the Canes already said no to Farabee.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Hronek's career high is 48 points. He's a fine defender but he's not a true top pairing guy, and really struggled down the stretch.

Meanwhile, Necas has proven to be a 70+ point player when given PP1 deployments and some talent to play with. When that happened, he led the Canes in scoring as a 23 year old, with Kotkaniemi and Svechnikov as his linemates (solid though not elite offensive support).

This past season, the Canes switched up their PP units, and his PP ice time dropped from ~250 mins (1st on the team) to ~160 mins (6th on the team). He also lost his best linemates in Svechnikov, his most common linemates were Drury and Bunting, a pretty big downgrade. To make matters worse, he had terrible 5v5 puck luck, with only 46 GF vs 55.6 xGF

Despite all that, he still finished 3rd on the team in scoring.

He's a legitimate 1st line talent, with one of the most dynamic skill sets in the league. He's averaged a 64 point pace the last 2 years playing almost exclusively with ~3rd line centers and mediocre PP deployments. Give him PP1 duties and some legitimate 1st line players to play with, and he's a threat to break 80-90 points.

I'd value the younger Necas quite a bit more than Hronek, and I think the rest of the league would as well - somebody is probably going to pay him $7-8M on a long term deal, I doubt they'd pay that for Hronek.

I don’t know how you can honestly say that Hronek is not actually a top pairing defender when he was one this season, put up almost 50 points, and the team went to game 7 of the 2nd round against a SCF opponent. Seems like the team did fairly well with him playing on the top pairing.

Agree to disagree that most teams would value a 60-70 point winger due for around $7-8million over a 40-50 point top 4 RHD due for a similar contract. Other than a #1C, top 4 RHD is the most valuable position in the league.