Seravalli: I wouldnt be shocked if Necas is traded before Game 1 of Cup Finals

[mriswith]

He's not a 40-50 point guy especially once he's playing regular minutes next to EP and Quinn. As for the cost Dreiger reported that they are looking for a #3-4 RHD which seems like a price cane fans won't like which I get but wingers are often considered the easiest piece to aquire, while RHD are the hardest.

I have no idea what the plus would be from the canes if Hronek is traded for him and I know our GM covets Necas but I wish picks etc were an option but the Canes have zero reason to trade him for anything besides an RHD that helps them now.
I'm not trying to be a dick but fans of rebuilding teams thinking they will get him for a futures based deal seems highly unlikely. Hab fans keep throwing out those type of deals and maybe if waddell was the GM still he could possibly parley futures in another trade but I don't see a rookie GM taking on something complicated.

My gut says he ends up a nuck just based on fit for both teams.
I'm a huge Hronek fan but to justify his contract he needs and deserves to run a pp, everyone keeps bringing up his last half of the season but the guy hasn't been able to shoot the puck since February. Maybe some canes fans can weigh in on what the plus would be because there would have to be one and sadly I know it won't be Morrow but would have to be at least someone with at least a 1st or 2nd round upside considering Hronek the last two seasons when healthy showed he has clearly established he's a very good #2 guy that can get 60+ points with little pp production

Necas is a 40 ES point winger.

He had the same ES production as both Hronek and Hoglander except one of those is a RD who played big minutes and the other makes 1.1M.

Canes fans are beyond delusional about Necas' value.

 

[Habs7631]

You Canes fans are really about to be disappointed for the return for Necas. Keep saying you want a young cost controlled RD or to trade Necas + picks or Necas + Nikishin for a major upgrade like Peterson-Rantanen.

First of all nobody is trading you a good young cost-controller RD for Necas, that’s laughable so just stop it.

And nobody is trading you their 100pts superstar for Necas + some late picks. Even less so for Necas + Nikishin, the so called top prospect you guys can’t even convince to come to North America for years now.

Players like Rantanen/Peterson tier will require one of Aho/Jarvis++, not Necas.

He’s a 50 pts second line winger who wants to play center even tho he’s garbage defensively and even more garbage at face offs. And he wants to get paid like a first liner.

Canes are contenders. Contending teams don’t put their best players on the trading block in the middle of their window. They would rather give Guentzel who’s gonna be 30 when the season start a giant contract that will probably hurt them on the back end of it, than give Necas who’s 4 years yonger what he’s asking for, which would be a smaller cap hit than Guentzel? Why is that?

I’m not even a Vancouver fans but honestly most of the offer from Nucks fans are fair, if not an over payment.

A Hronek-Necas is more than fair. Why would Vancouver be adding ? Top pairing RD for second line/fringe first line winger and they should add on top of it? Oh I know which side should add, and it’s not Vancouver LMFAO.

 

[spockBokk]

You Canes fans are really about be disappointed for the return for Necas. Keep saying you want a young cost controlled RD or to trade Necas + picks or Necas + Nikishin for a major upgrade like Peterson-Rantanen.

First of all nobody is trading you a good young cost-controller RD for Necas, that’s laughable so just stop it.

And nobody is trading you their 100pts superstar for Necas + some late picks. Even less so for Necas + Nikishin, the so called top prospect you guys can’t even convince to come to North America for years now.

Players like Rantanen/Peterson tier will require one of Aho/Jarvis++, not Necas.

He’s a 50 pts second line winger who wants to play center even tho he’s garbage defensively and even more garbage at face offs. And he wants to get paid like a first liner.

Canes are contenders. Contending teams don’t put their best players on the trading block in the middle of their window. They would rather give Guentzel who’s gonna be 30 when the season a giant contract that will probably hurt them on the back end of it, than give Necas who’s 4 years longer what he’s asking for, which would be a smaller cap hit than Guentzel? Why is that?

I’m not even a Vancouver fans but honestly most of the offer from Nucks fans are fair, if not an over payment.

A Hronek-Necas is more than fair. Why would Vancouver be adding ? Top pairing RD for second line/fringe first line winger and they should add on top of it? Oh I know which side should add, and it’s not Vancouver LMFAO.

What Canes’ fans are saying Hronek for Necas isn’t fair value? Maybe it is.

What most will point out is the ridiculous notion that the Canes taking back Mikheyev is any such swap is “fair”

You’re not going to get Necas for Jordan Harris plus a late 1st. He’s got 2yrs of team control left, he’s worth a ton.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Hronek straight up for Necas is a bad deal for Vancouver, especially if it’s true that Necas is asking for $7M+. I’d rather have Hronek at $8M.

 

[Nanuuk]

I think it would be great if a trade happens before the SCF. The league is putting everyone on hold for its showcase and every year it seems the showcase is getting later and later.

GM's want to get a leg up on the boatload of work they may have on their schedule.

They want a couple of weeks out at the lake too!

 

[Chrispy]

Hronek straight up for Necas is a bad deal for Vancouver, especially if it’s true that Necas is asking for $7M+. I’d rather have Hronek at $8M.

What are you expecting as a return for 1 year of Hronek?

You would rather pay Hronek long term, I understand that argument. But in terms of trade value a rental top 4 D returning a top 6 forward with 2 years of control is actually pretty good.

 

[Peter Griffin]

What are you expecting as a return for 1 year of Hronek?

You would rather pay Hronek long term, I understand that argument. But in terms of trade value a rental top 4 D returning a top 6 forward with 2 years of control is actually pretty good.

Who says Hronek would be a rental though? If this conversation is happening after arbitration awards, then sure.

 

[Chrispy]

Who says Hronek would be a rental though? If this conversation is happening after arbitration awards, then sure.

Unless they negotiate a deal before the trade, which is rare, you’re buying one guaranteed year.

 

[nergish]

Hronek straight up for Necas is a bad deal for Vancouver, especially if it’s true that Necas is asking for $7M+. I’d rather have Hronek at $8M.

Yeah, why exactly are we robbing Quinn of his partner to find one for Petey?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Unless they negotiate a deal before the trade, which is rare, you’re buying one guaranteed year.

What do you think is more likely for Hronek’s situation? Going to arbitration and getting a 1 year contract or agreeing to a long term extension? It’s FAR more likely the latter happens and any team acquiring him at this stage would be doing so with an understanding of what his demands are. Same goes for Necas.

 

[MK9]

Would be cool if they allowed trades to playoff teams . Have necas enter via stone cold music for one of the two teams

 

[lakeshirts37]

Because that poster knows its possible and wants something to complain about

he’s also not wrong

 

[Chrispy]

What do you think is more likely for Hronek’s situation? Going to arbitration and getting a 1 year contract or agreeing to a long term extension? It’s FAR more likely the latter happens and any team acquiring him at this stage would be doing so with an understanding of what his demands are. Same goes for Necas.

If you aren’t getting to negotiate with the player and agent before, you’re unlikely to sign a long term deal immediately.

Any deadline deal or offseason offer of a player with one year left could be considered a much higher value by your logic. Instead, most good players with one year or less left will return a first plus a prospect.

That’s where Hronek is right now. One year to UFA. And the fact Vancouver isn’t just signing him long term is an indication his demands are likely too high.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Seravalli hunting for clicks and attention

Don't blame the teams for making deals now. If the finals goes 7 games I think the draft is like 3 days after Cups is awarded, and UFA starts 3 days after that.

 

[Peter Griffin]

If you aren’t getting to negotiate with the player and agent before, you’re unlikely to sign a long term deal immediately.

Any deadline deal or offseason offer of a player with one year left could be considered a much higher value by your logic. Instead, most good players with one year or less left will return a first plus a prospect.

That’s where Hronek is right now. One year to UFA. And the fact Vancouver isn’t just signing him long term is an indication his demands are likely too high.

I don’t necessarily disagree with your valuation, a “1st and a prospect” is very ambiguous. I just think Hronek as #2/3 RD, is more valuable given his position and ability, regardless if he’s 1 year away from UFA compared to Necas technically being 2 years away from UFA. Scoring wingers that don’t bring a lot to the table aside from scoring, are among the least valuable positions in your core. Players in Hronek’s situation get traded every offseason, and in almost every situation get signed to a long term extension shortly after. No team is going to acquire Hronek with that understanding unless he’s already gone through his arbitration case.

Just because Vancouver may not want to pay what Hronek wants, doesn’t mean another won’t.

 

[Fatass]

What are you expecting as a return for 1 year of Hronek?

You would rather pay Hronek long term, I understand that argument. But in terms of trade value a rental top 4 D returning a top 6 forward with 2 years of control is actually pretty good.

Might be more than a one for one. Nescas + JK + Morrow for Hronek + Mikayev + Woo.
That kind of deal?

 

[Chrispy]

Might be more than a one for one. Nescas + JK + Morrow for Hronek + Mikayev + Woo.
That kind of deal?

No reason to move Morrow, especially now that he’s signed and in the system.

Moving Morrow only delays the issue at RD a year when Burns’s contract expires. Even if Hronek is signed long term, that leaves Hronek and what?

Morrow is there to come up after Burns is done, if not make the team this coming season.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Necas
Kotkaniemi

For

2024 Isles 1st
2024 Leafs 1st
Dickinson

 

[jaric1862]

As an outsider, Maybe Severson from Columbus?

I can't see Calgary giving up Andersson or Weegar or the Canucks giving up Hronek.

 

[Chan790]

As an outsider, Maybe Severson from Columbus?

I can't see Calgary giving up Andersson or Weegar or the Canucks giving up Hronek.

I doubt the Canes feel much of a time crunch here. If they do make a trade before game 1 of the SCF, it probably means someone met their asking price.

 

[spockBokk]

As an outsider, Maybe Severson from Columbus?

Why not just sign Pesce, who’s better?

 

[Mr Positive]

Why not just sign Pesce, who’s better?

The Pesce thing is a bit weird.

But it's been too long. Why would they sign Pesce in a few weeks but not now?

He seems as good as gone, like Pesce has his number but they feel they can replace what he brings cheaper, so they can use space to upgrade where they've decided they need to

 

[Seanaconda]

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It would also be cool to do the trade but not announce it and reveal with a helmet take off later in the game like in the mighty ducks

 

[MK9]

It would also be cool to do the trade but not announce it and reveal with a helmet take off later in the game like in the mighty ducks

 

[Cenzo_]

À trade to Columbus makes too much sense. The Jackets desperately need a top 6 center, they have plenty of quality assets to trade, are a few pieces away from being playoff contenders and have a GM that is very familiar with Necas.