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I was NOT a believer but Cole Caufield is the BEST Player from the 2019 Draft.

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LeProspector said:
Give me Hughes, Lacombe, Seider, Harley, Boldy over him without much thought.

Too small to be a difference maker come playoff time to have over those guys who are studs with size.
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I don’t think CC is the best player in his draft but Hughes is s pantywaist even if he’s a better player, Seider has never even played a playoff game, ranking Lacombe over CC is laughable, and Boldy has never won anything in the playoffs. CC has at least gotten to the Cup finals and looked fine on the way there.

Otherwise your take is spot on.
 
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He's not better than Jack Hughes, but he's in the same group as Seider, Boldy, and Harley. These players still have long careers ahead of them, so we can't know for sure how they'll turn out in the long term.

Team USA definitely should have picked him for 4 Nations, I'll say that much. Despite his size, he has always been pretty clutch, including in the playoffs he participated in.

He deserved to be selected in the Top 5 of his draft. Good thing he wasn't, though. ;)
 
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Cmon OP, you can't be serious.
CG is really a great pick. No doubt.
But obviously Jack Hughes and Moritz Seider are number 1 and 2 in whatever order you prefer.
Than you have guys like Boldy, where it gets interesting.
The position talk with CG starts at 3 at best.
So somewhere between 3 and 7 seems realistic, when all is said and done.

I guess only Hughes and Seider might end up in the hall of fame one day
 
ORRFForever said:
It also has to do with his constant injury issues.

I did not include Hughes in the ranking. I made Caufield # 1 on a list without him.
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your my favorite finnish hfb poster in a list without other finnish hfb posters.

still butt hurt from the hughes vs. kakko discussions 5+ years ago?
 
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I'm not into these comparisons. But Caufield definitely has the kind of the sort that Paul Kariya, and the Sedins showed. It's pretty hard to be fun as often as he is in the NHL.
 
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LeProspector said:
Caufield is a small one dimensional player who, if he makes the playoffs he’ll be taken off the puck with ease on 5v5 with the more physical brand of hockey.
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Even when called up as a raw rookie this didn’t happen.

He’ll have disadvantages sure. And it’s magnified in the playoffs. But Caufield doesn’t shy away from anything. Sometimes he gets muscled off the puck but more times than not he comes away with it.

It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the fight inside the dog that matters. Theo Fleury is a good example of this. CC isn’t as physical as Theo was but he’s got jam.

LeProspector said:
The one where Caufield couldn’t even crack the roster, that one?
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The one where the US lost?
 
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HugeInTheShire said:
How’d Cole Caufield do in the 4 Nation tourney?
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How’d the team do without him?

tarheelhockey said:
1991 hot take archive:

Pat LaFontaine was the BEST player from the 1984 draft

* no idea where to put the always hurt Mario Lemieux
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Yeah, there’s no way he’s better than Hughes. Hughes is a solid number one.

Seider, Boldy… Caufield is in that group. I believe at the end of the day he’ll come in second but that’s far from a sure thing. When healthy under MSL CC paces as a 40 plus goal scorer. He has the potential for some 50 goal seasons but he’s certainly not guaranteed to get there.

Top five player from that draft for sure. Maybe number two. But there’s lots of hockey left to be played and Seider in particular is a terrific player.

tarheelhockey said:
1991 hot take archive:

Pat LaFontaine was the BEST player from the 1984 draft

* no idea where to put the always hurt Mario Lemieux
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Lafontaine was 83 wasn’t he? Went ahead of Yzerman.
 
LeProspector said:
Caufield is a small one dimensional player who, if he makes the playoffs he’ll be taken off the puck with ease on 5v5 with the more physical brand of hockey. He’s going to struggle more than he was as a rookie because he is a known commodity now, defences will know how to scheme around him and to stop him. He won’t have the element of surprise the next time he makes the playoffs. He’ll still be an effective PP option, because he has one of the best shots in hockey but 5v5 he won’t have the time and space to get that shot off, and won’t have the physical advantage to get open as much.

I take Jack Hughes over Caufield because he is one of the most talented players in the sport and on his best days he’s a top-5 player in the league.

I take Moritz Seider over Caufield because he’s a #1 D with size that suffocates offence when he’s on the ice. One of the best D in the sport.

I take Jackson Lacombe over Caufield because he is a #1 D that is QUICKLY turning into one of the best players at his postion in the sport. A rock for the Ducks. #1D are more valuable than small scoring wingers.

I take Thomas Harley over Caufield because he would be a stud #1 if Dallas didn’t have Heiskanen. Two way D that can run a PP and be on the ice at the most important moments of the game. #1 D are more valuable than wingers

I take Matthew Boldy over Caufield because of his two way game and ability to turn it on physically while offering similar scoring outputs. He is a bigger, faster top line winger.
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Calling Caufield one dimensional overlooks his development. He's become a great neutral zone player, he's got a really good cycle game, he's a true top line player nowadays.

It's okay to admit you don't watch him. There's lots of teams..
 
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HugeInTheShire said:
They lost, didn’t have anything to do with Caufield not playing though so what’s your point?
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Who’s to say they wouldn’t have won with him?

Him not making a losing team isn’t a mark against him. If anything it’s evidence he should’ve been selected. They certainly could’ve used some goals.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Even when called up as a raw rookie this didn’t happen.

He’ll have disadvantages sure. And it’s magnified in the playoffs. But Caufield doesn’t shy away from anything. Sometimes he gets muscled off the puck but more times than not he comes away with it.

It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the fight inside the dog that matters. Theo Fleury is a good example of this. CC isn’t as physical as Theo was but he’s got jam.


The one where the US lost?
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Like I said, he was an unknown commodity then and caught teams off guard, 12 points in 20 games isn’t the best production, either. Teams will know who he is and how to stop him if he makes the playoffs again, and he will definitely be limited as a result.

US lost a close game in OT in the finals where they were the better team. Caufield being on the team wouldn’t have mattered, at all and only would have hindered them, further.

Why would you take Caufield over Lacombe, Harley, Seider, Hughes and Boldy?

Those are the guys I take over Caufield in a redraft, so he moves up to 6/7 for me.
 
Just Linda said:
Calling Caufield one dimensional overlooks his development. He's become a great neutral zone player, he's got a really good cycle game, he's a true top line player nowadays.

It's okay to admit you don't watch him. There's lots of teams..
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He’s a great point scorer and will feast in the regular season. But if you think he’s anything beyond that you don’t understand the player.

Points aren’t everything in the NHL. Especially how Canfield scores his points.
 
LeProspector said:
Like I said, he was an unknown commodity then and caught teams off guard,
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He was not an unknown commodity. :laugh:
LeProspector said:
12 points in 20 games isn’t the best production, either. Teams will know who he is and how to stop him if he makes the playoffs again, and he will definitely be limited as a result.
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It is for a guy just stepping into the NHL. And he scored some huge points in clutch situations. His coach was an idiot and should’ve played him a lot more.

Under that same coach btw he had one goal in half a rookie season the following year. That coach got fired and Caufield immediately scored 48 goals in his next 82 games before getting hurt. The only reason it went under the radar a bit was because it was split between two years.
LeProspector said:
US lost a close game in OT in the finals where they were the better team. Caufield being on the team wouldn’t have mattered, at all and only would have hindered them, further.
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You don’t know this. Neither do I. What we do know is Caufield is one of the best goal scorers in the league and the US only mustered two goals in that final game.
 
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LeProspector said:
He’s a great point scorer and will feast in the regular season. But if you think he’s anything beyond that you don’t understand the player.

Points aren’t everything in the NHL. Especially how Canfield scores his points.
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He scores more goals than assists. If anything his points are more valuable than most.

Moreover you have no basis to say he can’t score in the playoffs. You just look at his height and write him off. He’s much better than you’re giving him credit for.
 
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Hughes

Caufield
Seider
Boldy

Those 3, same caliber I’d say depend what you value the most.

The rest have been inconsistent so it’s kind of tough to rank. Mcmichael, Protas, Harley gets the nod for this year’s play
 
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