I was NOT a believer but Cole Caufield is the BEST Player from the 2019 Draft.

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He was not an unknown commodity. :laugh:

It is for a guy just stepping into the NHL. And he scored some huge points in clutch situations. His coach was an idiot and should’ve played him a lot more.

Under that same coach btw he had one goal in half a rookie season the following year. That coach got fired and Caufield immediately scored 48 goals in his next 82 games before getting hurt. The only reason it went under the radar a bit was because it was split between two years.

You don’t know this. Neither do I. What we do know is Caufield is one of the best goal scorers in the league and the US only mustered two goals.
A player who plays his first game in the NHL playoffs is an unknown commodity. What are you even saying? Other NHL teams aren’t going to scheme around stopping a rookie. Get a grip. They were creating game-plans revolved around stopping Suzuki, Toffoli, Anderson. Not a 19 year old who’s playing his first games.

Yes I do, it’s the reason he didn’t make the team in the first place. He plays a niche role and other, bigger, more talented player can fill that role instead. Kyle Connor barely played in the final.


Why would you take Caufield over Lacombe, Harley, Seider, Hughes and Boldy?

Those are the guys I take over Caufield in a redraft, so he moves up to 6/7 for me.

Why do you think that’s so egregious?
 
Nope, because he’s a small winger not built for games like that because he can only realistically contribute on the PP and the Americans already had plenty of talent to do that, and those players are more talented, and bigger.

America built a solid roster, they lost in OT. It was close.

On the powerplay? Caufield is tied for 22nd for ES points in the entire league, 13th for ES goals. He's far from a powerplay specialist.
 
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On the powerplay? Caufield is tied for 22nd for ES points in the entire league, 13th for ES goals. He's far from a powerplay specialist.
I never said he was a PP specialist in the NHL.

In a best on best playoff style game like the 4-nations was, yes. That’s what he is, and that’s what his role would have been. He wouldn’t have been able to keep up physically.
 
I don’t think CC is the best player in his draft but Hughes is s pantywaist even if he’s a better player, Seider has never even played a playoff game, ranking Lacombe over CC is laughable, and Boldy has never won anything in the playoffs. CC has at least gotten to the Cup finals and looked fine on the way there.

Otherwise your take is spot on.
Why is LaCombe over Caufield laughable? Lacombe is well on his way to being a #1D at the NHL level. He is a f***ing stud and to not see that means you haven’t seen much of him this year. I’d recommend watching some film, he is a rock.
 
I was NOT a believer (and, as a Leaf fan, a HATER) but Cole Caufield is the BEST Player from the 2019 Draft...

Cole Caufield
Moritz Seider
Matt Boldy
Thomas Harley
Connor McMichael
Bowen Byram
Dylan Cozens
Jackson LaCombe
Shane Pinto
Jordan Spence

(* NO idea where to put the always hurt Jack Hughes. *)

And, as the Habs fans will quickly say, "Caufield fell right into our lap!" :thumbd:

Feel free to tell me how bad my list is and remind me of players I forgot.
Your insecure stab at Hughes shows who is by miles the best player in that draft ;)
 
The Four Nations showed us again how great best-on-best international tournaments can be, but takes like "Jack Hughes is impossible to rank because he sucked in his four games there" almost make me wish we'd go another decade without one.
 
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I never said he was a PP specialist in the NHL.

In a best on best playoff style game like the 4-nations was, yes. That’s what he is, and that’s what his role would have been. He wouldn’t have been able to keep up physically.

Can't wait for the Habs to make the playoffs so he proves you wrong.

If he had 12 pts in 20 games as a rookie, he'll get more as an experienced vet. Keep thinking you're the smartest man in the room.
 
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Can't wait for the Habs to make the playoffs so he proves you wrong.

If he had 12 pts in 20 games as a rookie, he'll get more as an experienced vet. Keep thinking you're the smartest man in the room.
I don’t get it, I have said I’d take 5 guys above Caufield in the redraft and provided my reasoning behind it.

Why would you take Caufield above Hughes/Boldy/Lacombe/Harley and Seider?

A franchise center in Hughes

A #1 power winger in Boldy

1 top10 defender in the league in Seider

And 2 defenders on their way to be #1’s in Lacombe and Harley.

A small, top line offensive winger is not more valuable than those guys. Why do you think otherwise?
 
I've been the biggest CC fan since he was a kid. Will probably get laughed at but I even think Cole is the best pure natural goal scorer since Ovie. He is also a game breaker. But CC is missing the other tools guys like Ovie, Matthews, et al have.

Those other tools he is missing put him more in the 3-6 range in a redraft. Would have Hughes and Boldy over him, and then he would be in the next tier with Seider, Harley, Lacombe.
 
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While Caufield is an amazing player and the passionate Habs fans are thrilled with him, I wouldn't trade Thomas Harley for anyone in that draft other than Jack and maybe Seider.
 
It's too early to say. If Cole becomes a perennial 40+ goal guy? Sure he's got a chance. Or does the more talented Hughes continue to get injured? Then there's a chance for Caufield. His 26 in 46 season is a 46 goal pace, which judging by this year it is within the realm of possibility for him. Either way; damn good player, the Habs are lucky to have him.
 
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A player who plays his first game in the NHL playoffs is an unknown commodity. What are you even saying? Other NHL teams aren’t going to scheme around stopping a rookie. Get a grip. They were creating game-plans revolved around stopping Suzuki, Toffoli, Anderson. Not a 19 year old who’s playing his first games.
Everyone knew who this guy was coming in. And if he was so one dimensional he should've been easy to stop. He put up some big points for the Canadiens as a raw rookie. He'd have been far more productive if his idiot coach had given him more playing time.

That same idiot coach btw, had CC with one goal in half a season the following year. The moment he was fired Caufield took off. 48 goals in his next 82 games.
Yes I do, it’s the reason he didn’t make the team in the first place. He plays a niche role and other, bigger, more talented player can fill that role instead. Kyle Connor barely played in the final.
The team decided they wanted bigger, stronger. I don't blame them. But there's a flipside to that equation. Sometimes you need a mix. Caufield will never be mistaken for Gordie Howe but he's really good at scoring goals. And he's also become increasingly good at driving the play and setting things up. There's no doubt that he could've helped that team.

I'm not going to sit here and say they lost because he wasn't on the roster. But I think it's hilarious that you think him not making the team helps your argument when they lost while only managing to score two goals in the final game.
Why would you take Caufield over Lacombe, Harley, Seider, Hughes and Boldy?
Hughes? Absolutely not.

Seider? He's accomplished more than Caufield has so far in their respective careers. But some of that is due to Caufield being injured. When healthy, he's produced at a 40+ goal per 82 pace under MSL. And I think he'd be further along now if he hadn't hurt his shoulder. Going forward, I'd take Caufield because I believe he has 50 goal potential. But that isn't a sure thing and I have zero problem with anyone taking Seider (or any of those other players) ahead of Caufield.

Based on potential, I'd take CC. I think he has the potential to be among the league's elite goalscorers. Time will tell.
Those are the guys I take over Caufield in a redraft, so he moves up to 6/7 for me.

Why do you think that’s so egregious?
I don't. Want to take Seider? Honestly, I don't blame anyone who does that. Same with Boldy.

But I think it's wrong to suggest that Caufield has no shot at being the 2nd best player in that draft. And I think it's egregious to say that he can't score in the playoffs when he's already shown that he can. Moreover, I think it's really silly to point to Team USA as proof of anything, especially when they lost that series.
 
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Everyone knew who this guy was coming in. And if he was so one dimensional he should've been easy to stop. He put up some big points for the Canadiens as a raw rookie. He'd have been far more productive if his idiot coach had given him more playing time.

That same idiot coach btw, had CC with one goal in half a season the following year. The moment he was fired Caufield took off. 48 goals in his next 82 games.

The team decided they wanted bigger, stronger. I don't blame them. But there's a flipside to that equation. Sometimes you need a mix. Caufield will never be mistaken for Gordie Howe but he's really good at scoring goals. And he's also become increasingly good at driving the play and setting things up. There's no doubt that he could've helped that team.

I'm not going to sit here and say they lost because he wasn't on the roster. But I think it's hilarious that you think him not making the team helps your argument when they lost while only managing to score two goals in the final game.

Hughes? Absolutely not.

Seider? He's accomplished more than Caufield has so far in their respective careers. But some of that is due to Caufield being injured. When healthy, he's produced at a 40+ goal per 82 pace under MSL. And I think he'd be further along now if he hadn't hurt his shoulder. Going forward, I'd take Caufield because I believe he has 50 goal potential. But that isn't a sure thing and I have zero problem with anyone taking Seider (or any of those other players) ahead of Caufield.

Based on potential, I'd take CC. I think he has the potential to be among the league's elite goalscorers. Time will tell.

I don't. Want to take Seider? Honestly, I don't blame anyone who does that. Same with Boldy.

But I think it's wrong to suggest that Caufield has no shot at being the 2nd best player in that draft. And I think it's egregious to say that he can't score in the playoffs when he's already shown that he can. Moreover, I think it's really silly to point to Team USA as proof of anything, especially when they lost that series.
I’m not saying you or anyone else is out to lunch for saying you’d have him at 3. I’m saying I wouldn’t.

I don’t like small players, I have provided reasoning as to why, maybe I’m wrong. Simple as that. That’s why I have him below those 5 guys definitively in my mind, I don’t like players as small as Caufield is.
 
I’m not saying you or anyone else is out to lunch for saying you’d have him at 3. I’m saying I wouldn’t.

I don’t like small players, I have provided reasoning as to why, maybe I’m wrong. Simple as that. That’s why I have him below those 5 guys definitively in my mind, I don’t like players as small as Caufield is.
That's totally fine.

The issue I have with your posts are

1. The assumption that he can't score in the playoffs.
2. The argument that him not being selected by Team USA validates that he isn't that good a player.

1 is demonstrably false. Even in limited playing time CC played extremely well in the postseason run under a very bad coach.

And 2 is undercut by the fact that Team USA lost the series and couldn't score. Again, it doesn't mean that adding him would've won them the tourney, but the loss certainly suggests that Team USA could've used some more goalscoring.
 
Caufield is a small one dimensional player who, if he makes the playoffs he’ll be taken off the puck with ease on 5v5 with the more physical brand of hockey. He’s going to struggle more than he was as a rookie because he is a known commodity now, defences will know how to scheme around him and to stop him. He won’t have the element of surprise the next time he makes the playoffs. He’ll still be an effective PP option, because he has one of the best shots in hockey but 5v5 he won’t have the time and space to get that shot off, and won’t have the physical advantage to get open as much.

I take Jack Hughes over Caufield because he is one of the most talented players in the sport and on his best days he’s a top-5 player in the league.

I take Moritz Seider over Caufield because he’s a #1 D with size that suffocates offence when he’s on the ice. One of the best D in the sport.

I take Jackson Lacombe over Caufield because he is a #1 D that is QUICKLY turning into one of the best players at his postion in the sport. A rock for the Ducks. #1D are more valuable than small scoring wingers.

I take Thomas Harley over Caufield because he would be a stud #1 if Dallas didn’t have Heiskanen. Two way D that can run a PP and be on the ice at the most important moments of the game. #1 D are more valuable than wingers

I take Matthew Boldy over Caufield because of his two way game and ability to turn it on physically while offering similar scoring outputs. He is a bigger, faster top line winger.
This dude really just said he takes Lacombe ahead of Caufield. What the hell is going on.
 

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