Hypothetical If Arizona Pick Bedard would a Matthews/Bedard deal be possible?

[KapG]

Completely Hypothetical but If it appears Austin wants the moon and Arizona lands Bedard in Lottery is this a possible deal?

Just give matthews the moon

 

[darrylsittler27]

If the Leafs sense they can't resign him it becomes obvious.

 

[Fogelhund]

The more I watch Bedard, the more I wonder if this isn’t as preposterous as many think. Bedard’s performance at the WJC is easily the best of any player in a very long time.

McDavid put up 11 points in 7 games at the same age. Matthews 11 points in 7 games.

Bedard has 19 points in 4 games and one period.

We’ll see how his transition to the NHL goes, but IMO, this is the best prospect I’ve seen play at this level.

 

[Jojalu]

The more I watch Bedard, the more I wonder if this isn’t as preposterous as many think. Bedard’s performance at the WJC is easily the best of any player in a very long time.

McDavid put up 11 points in 7 games at the same age. Matthews 11 points in 7 games.

Bedard has 19 points in 4 games and one period.

We’ll see how his transition to the NHL goes, but IMO, this is the best prospect I’ve seen play at this level.

Bedard plays a lot more physical than I thought.

He really does look special.

 

[nuck]

I’d do it if Matthews doesn’t commit to us long term

Bedard is too good to bust, he’s gonna be electric from the second he touched the ice

I’m worried about having a reverse Tavares situation, much rather deal him than lose him for nothing


Thread is pretty unrealistic though, no team would trade their pick. Especially Arizona, they have a hard enough time getting fans to post attention to them anyways, they need something to brand

AZ would have to take a trade for Matthews, he is their home grown superstar when they are struggling to stay above water and they would be catching him at his peak. They don't need a Cup right now, they need any reason to go to the rink.

The issue would be on the Toronto side (again, assume he is so toxic in contract negotiations so a door is even open) because they have two stud wingers already and an aging star center who has not thrived under Keefe. Percentages say the chances of being better with Bedard for Matty are zero in year one and probably year two as well, Even McDavid was only 100pts in year two which is not a 2023 Matthews upgrade. Dealing Matthews to be competitive requires a different trade partner than what AZ can offer. I don't know who that might be but AM would leave a hole that takes another center to fill. Bedard for Marner sure, but AZ would not have the same need to acquire.

 

[Racer88]

Then that chunk of the fanbase is wrong.

This core has won nothing……zero. They had a great season last year and still lost, why should we think they are a contender and why would anything be different.
until they win something , anything, at least a round how can we consider them a contender

 

[Racer88]

I mean, if arbitrarily dismissing your top-tier team's potential for no reason is that important to you, then I guess you do you.
A trade like this would never happen in a million years anyway, so there's nothing to worry about for the rest of us.
Heck, the idea that Matthews would waive to go to that dumpster fire in the first place is ridiculous.

The ultimate Hfboards nonsense. Reigning MVP + Rocket winner for a prospect.

Insane.

The only way I would trade him is if he doesn’t sign an extension before his no trade kicks in. We cannot afford to keep him and lose him for nothing

 

[Racer88]

Did you guys see Bedard’s insane goal to win the OT

 

[glue]

If folks didn’t watch that game I urge you to go back and do so, it was EPIC and Bedards finish in OT is unreal

Did you guys see Bedard’s insane goal to win the OT

 

[Fogelhund]

Did you guys see Bedard’s insane goal to win the OT

Like I said, best Junior player I can recall seeing. He is such an incredible player, such a will to battle and win.

Ya, I’d trade Matthews for the rights to a guaranteed pick for him in the offseason, especially if we don’t go anywhere in the playoffs. Honestly, I think this kid is the best player in the NHL in a few years and you’d be able to spend $10 mil extra with guys to surround him while he’s on his ELC, in addition to what we have. He just elevates his game when needed, our group hasn’t done that.

What’s that, 21 points in 5 games.

 

[stickty111]

Bedard looks to be good but no guarantees he'll live up to the hype in the NHL. Even the thought of trading Matthews for him is silly.

 

[Aashir]

AZ would have to take a trade for Matthews, he is their home grown superstar when they are struggling to stay above water and they would be catching him at his peak. They don't need a Cup right now, they need any reason to go to the rink.

The issue would be on the Toronto side (again, assume he is so toxic in contract negotiations so a door is even open) because they have two stud wingers already and an aging star center who has not thrived under Keefe. Percentages say the chances of being better with Bedard for Matty are zero in year one and probably year two as well, Even McDavid was only 100pts in year two which is not a 2023 Matthews upgrade. Dealing Matthews to be competitive requires a different trade partner than what AZ can offer. I don't know who that might be but AM would leave a hole that takes another center to fill. Bedard for Marner sure, but AZ would not have the same need to acquire.

Maybe but i think year one bedard has a similar impact to a ppg player.

Maybe I’m much higher than most, but this dude has a really good shot to be Mcdavid level of the league. I think he can be a 85-95 point player first year with us. Second year he can be a 100+ point player here. Would that be better than Auston Matthews? No. But the 10 million saved + bedard would really help our cap situation as we’d be paying him after Tavares takes a pay cut.

but again, I’d only do this if Matthews makes it clear that he doesn’t want to come back. Bedard extends the window and also gives a a cornerstone piece back

 

[stickty111]

Like I said, best Junior player I can recall seeing. He is such an incredible player, such a will to battle and win.

Ya, I’d trade Matthews for the rights to a guaranteed pick for him in the offseason, especially if we don’t go anywhere in the playoffs. Honestly, I think this kid is the best player in the NHL in a few years and you’d be able to spend $10 mil extra with guys to surround him while he’s on his ELC, in addition to what we have. He just elevates his game when needed, our group hasn’t done that.

What’s that, 21 points in 5 games.

This post makes no sense. He's elevated his game in the World Juniors. That doesn't mean it will translate.
Also comparing our lack of success to someone's WJ success is flawed logic.

Maybe but i think year one bedard has a similar impact to a ppg player.

Maybe I’m much higher than most, but this dude has a really good shot to be Mcdavid level of the league. I think he can be a 85-95 point player first year with us. Second year he can be a 100+ point player here. Would that be better than Auston Matthews? No. But the 10 million saved + bedard would really help our cap situation as we’d be paying him after Tavares takes a pay cut.

but again, I’d only do this if Matthews makes it clear that he doesn’t want to come back. Bedard extends the window and also gives a a cornerstone piece back

I agree with the last paragraph. However some want to trade Matthews for him no matter what. I'm confident management won't do it.

 

[Fogelhund]

This post makes no sense. He's elevated his game in the World Juniors. That doesn't mean it will translate.
Also comparing our lack of success to someone's WJ success is flawed logic.


I agree with the last paragraph. However some want to trade Matthews for him no matter what. I'm confident management won't do it.

It’s not a comparison of elevating his game, vs our players not… though often players who do elevate like he does will at every level.

Mostly, my intent is that if we fail again, then change is needed. If that was an option, and we could add a top prospect and say a Patrick Kane as well…. You think about that. Or a RoR and Tarasenko…. Or. You pick.

 

[stickty111]

Hopefully

It’s not a comparison of elevating his game, vs our players not… though often players who do elevate like he does will at every level.

Mostly, my intent is that if we fail again, then change is needed. If that was an option, and we could add a top prospect and say a Patrick Kane as well…. You think about that. Or a RoR and Tarasenko…. Or. You pick.

I agree here

 

[Gabriel426]

A better question would be, if Arizona drafted Bedard and assuming he is open to the idea to play for them.
Can they afford his 10mil plus contract in three years time? Bc as of now, they can’t even pay rent for a proper stadium and pretty much spending the absolute bare minimum from scouting to accounting to even office admin. Like how it shows in Moneyball where they charge players for sodas.

 

[Gabriel426]

It’s not a comparison of elevating his game, vs our players not… though often players who do elevate like he does will at every level.

Mostly, my intent is that if we fail again, then change is needed. If that was an option, and we could add a top prospect and say a Patrick Kane as well…. You think about that. Or a RoR and Tarasenko…. Or. You pick.

That I tend to agree with. I think we all know changes will come if they can’t advance in the first round again.

For starter the fact that Dubas is not extended yet is an indication it is advancing playoffs or GTFO.
New GM coming in will want to shape this into his version of the team and with guys like Horvat, ROR, Tank, Toews, Kopitar and even Kane are available. The question will be who will this GM trade.
Safe to say Holl, Engvall and Kerfoot as well as Muz won’t return next season and that’s about 13mil for three roster players.
Kampf’s deal will expire and he should be renew.
But they won’t move the needle, it will be AM, Willie, JT and MM. If for whatever reason AM and Willie won’t extend or just asking for way too much, I can really see both being trade for cheaper players or high end prospects and the new GM signs one if not two of those UFAs.

That’s all given the fail again in the playoffs.
If they manage to win the Cup. I could careless if Dubas(he will be back if Leafs win the Cup) extends AM for 15mil x 8 and Willie at 10.88 x 8 this summer and sign one year deal to Kane or whoever and go all in for next year before AM and Willie extensions kicks in two years from now.

 

[Dekes For Days]

This core has won nothing……zero. They had a great season last year and still lost, why should we think they are a contender and why would anything be different.

Outplaying, outscoring, and barely losing to a contender in a playoff series doesn't invalidate one from being a contender.

The only way I would trade him is if he doesn’t sign an extension before his no trade kicks in.

It's literally impossible for him to do that.

 

[Americanadian]

More people coming around.

 

[hfman]

Matthews doesn't wanna play in front of a 5k seat arena in a dead end market that's spun it's wheels since it's inception. For him to do the most good for Arizona, he needs to play and succeed in a highly visible market like New York, Toronto or LA.

They put Gretzky In LA to save that franchise
They put Crosby In Pittsburgh to save that franchise

They might want to put Matthews in.... fill in the blanks

 

[IPS]

They put Gretzky In LA to save that franchise
They put Crosby In Pittsburgh to save that franchise

They might want to put Matthews in.... fill in the blanks

You can literally apply this to any big ticket free agent going on the market.

Where the hell was this stupid logic when Tavares, Gaudreau, Stamkos, etc.. all went on the market?

You should probably lay off the glue huffing.

 

[Funk21]

Completely Hypothetical but If it appears Austin wants the moon and Arizona lands Bedard in Lottery is this a possible deal?

If AM is looking for a short deal and or the moon in terms of AAV 14/15 million per and Zona was willing to deal Bedard the TML Brass do that trade in a heartbeat.

McKinnon has been criminally under paid for years and just resigned an 8 year deal for 100K more than McDavid. With the exception of Nylander who is due for a healthy raise Matthews and Marner should be getting just minor increases.

 

[Superstar]

Hypothetically the Leafs could do a Dryden Hunt for McDavid and Draisaitl deal.

Might have to swallow Campbell's contract in such a deal...

 

[hfman]

You can literally apply this to any big ticket free agent going on the market.

Where the hell was this stupid logic when Tavares, Gaudreau, Stamkos, etc.. all went on the market?

You should probably lay off the glue huffing.

its all in the timing

The Penguins were virtually on their way out of the NHL when they got Crosby... he saved the day... right place right time

Don't think the LA situation was quite as urgent but maybe it was... that area also needed a big boost because of it sheer size and potential but at that time they were hurting and also at risk of losing the franchise.. sure enough in comes Gretzky to catapult that franchise into the mainstream and then from that came the other bay teams like the Sharks, Ducks

Now, the Coyotes are today in serious danger of losing their franchise right here and right now... not to mention it's Matthews hometown and he also has Crosby and Gretzky potential so you do the math


...now back to my can of primer

 

[Racer88]

Like I said, best Junior player I can recall seeing. He is such an incredible player, such a will to battle and win.

Ya, I’d trade Matthews for the rights to a guaranteed pick for him in the offseason, especially if we don’t go anywhere in the playoffs. Honestly, I think this kid is the best player in the NHL in a few years and you’d be able to spend $10 mil extra with guys to surround him while he’s on his ELC, in addition to what we have. He just elevates his game when needed, our group hasn’t done that.

What’s that, 21 points in 5 games.

Agreed 100%