Hypothetical - does McDavid win the Conn Smythe even if Oilers lose the cup? Assuming he has an above average finals

[GreatGonzo]

Evan Rodrigues: 4 points in the Final, 3 goals

McSpeedSkater: 3 points in the Final, 0 goals

You heard here first folks..

Rodrigues>McDavid

Maybe if McDavid wasn't playing terrible relative to the expectations for how he should be playing, he wouldn't be receiving criticism?

Crazy thought: he's being criticized because of threads like these hyping him up to crazy levels, only for him to be a complete dud when the games actually start.

Crobsy played absolutely terrible
His first cup win in ‘09. The difference? Malkin and others stepping up and adding secondary scoring and Fleury playing stellar down the stretch. They won in 7 games and Crosby was basically a non factor that last game.

Why doesn’t he deserve the hype? He had a good chance of breaking Gretzkys
Assist playoff record. He’s arguably the best player in the world, he’s going to get a lot of attention.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Crobsy played absolutely terrible
His first cup win in ‘09. The difference? Malkin and others stepping up and adding secondary scoring and Fleury playing stellar down the stretch. They won in 7 games and Crosby was basically a non factor that last game.

Why doesn’t he deserve the hype? He had a good chance of breaking Gretzkys
Assist playoff record. He’s arguably the best player in the world, he’s going to get a lot of attention.

How does that have any sort of relevance to how McDavid is doing in this series?

 

[GreatGonzo]

How does that have any sort of relevance to how McDavid is doing in this series?

Because that’s your golden boy, isn’t it? My statement is pretty clear.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Because that’s your golden boy, isn’t it? My statement is pretty clear.

So rather than actually discuss McDavid's performance, you'll bring up Crosby because "you like Crosby"?

Just kinda proves my point for how bad McDavid is doing if you have to grasp at non-sequitur arguments like that.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Because that’s your golden boy, isn’t it? My statement is pretty clear.

Try to be more objective bud.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Maybe if McDavid wasn't playing terrible relative to the expectations for how he should be playing, he wouldn't be receiving criticism?

Crazy thought: he's being criticized because of threads like these hyping him up to crazy levels, only for him to be a complete dud when the games actually start.

McDavid has been invisible for his standards for most of the series. He finally looked alive in the 3rd period after the Oilers were down 4-1, but that was too late and they still lost that game. They're down 3-0 in the series and have been utterly dominated by the Panthers. How do you think it's somehow not fair game to criticize McDavid for that?

He deserves some of course, but he’s still the only one bringing any kind of offense to the table. Why isn’t Drai or Hyman getting any flack? They have ZERO points….or is that McDavids fault too?

So rather than actually discuss McDavid's performance, you'll bring up Crosby because "you like Crosby"?

Just kinda proves my point for how bad McDavid is doing if you have to grasp at non-sequitur arguments like that

Im not the one looking for any and every opportunity to trash McDavid

Try to be more objective bud.

I’ll be waiting for you to complain some more about how bad the goaltending and defense has been for Edmonton and how that’s still McDavids fault

 

[Empoleon8771]

He deserves some of course, but he’s still the only one bringing any kind of offense to the table. Why isn’t Drai or Hyman getting any flack? They have ZERO points….or is that McDavids fault too?


Im not the one looking for any and every opportunity to trash McDavid

I’ll be waiting for you to complain some more about how bad the goaltending and defense has been for Edmonton and how that’s still McDavids fault

Who is not giving Draisaitl or Hyman flack? A ton of people have correctly pointed out that Draisaitl has been even worse than McDavid.

It's hilarious that you're screaming about how everyone else is biased, when you're so obviously biased in this case.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

At this point it would take 10+ points in the next 3-4 games with Florida’s depth being the only ones getting points while Bobrovsky plays mediocre

 

[Hockeyville USA]

He deserves some of course, but he’s still the only one bringing any kind of offense to the table. Why isn’t Drai or Hyman getting any flack? They have ZERO points….or is that McDavids fault too?

Divesaitl is getting a ton of flack, but he's clearly playing hurt. Hyman is a McDavid merchant, but yes, he should be getting more criticism. RNH should absolutely be getting more blame for doing nothing.

The reason why McDavid gets more flack is because the Canadian media and hockey world at large has hyped him up to mythical creature levels of prestige/dominance, so when he looks merely "good" or "fine", he's going to get chastised for being McDecent instead of McJesus.

 

[Hank Plank]

McDavid is the best player in hockey.

Creme de la creme rise in the most important moments 97 is not doing that.

 

[MCR74]

At this point it would take 10+ points in the next 3-4 games with Florida’s depth being the only ones getting points while Bobrovsky plays mediocre

That's called a miracle.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Who is not giving Draisaitl or Hyman flack? A ton of people have correctly pointed out that Draisaitl has been even worse than McDavid.

It's hilarious that you're screaming about how everyone else is biased, when you're so obviously biased in this case.

You literally attacked McDavid for getting “garbage” points in a 4-3 loss…citing that it would have been better if he simply lost 4-1 and went scoreless because “a loss is a loss”. That’s how desperate you are to hate on him. The dude got his team within one goal and he’s the Problem?…

Bro you have been bias, that’s why I brought up Crosby and the hypocrisy of your opinions. The great Sidney Crosby had 3 points in 7 games and was a -3 that series and his team still won. I guess for you if a loss is a loss than a win is a win

Divesaitl is getting a ton of flack, but he's clearly playing hurt. Hyman is a McDavid merchant, but yes, he should be getting more criticism. RNH should absolutely be getting more blame for doing nothing.

The reason why McDavid gets more flack is because the Canadian media and hockey world at large has hyped him up to mythical creature levels of prestige/dominance, so when he looks merely "good" or "fine", he's going to get chastised for being McDecent instead of McJesus.

The posters I’ve been quoting have been completely ignoring everyone BUT McDavid.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Didn't expect a Pens/Flyers battle in here lol

 

[sanscosm]

The "hate" also comes from OIlers fans shoving him down our throats at every opportunity and reminding us that there is no greater player. McDavid has been a non-factor so far. I hope his team flames out in 4.

 

[Neil Racki]

Didn't expect a Pens/Flyers battle in here lol

obligatory ...

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Barkov isn't proving anything on the big stage, his "defence" is slashing guys in the hands LOL. Hasn't impressed at all.

Has he impressed you yet?

 

[Faceboner]

The way its going I see one of barkov, Bob or tckachuk getting it

 

[VivaLasVegas]

McDavid has one game left to turn it on and show us he's truly the world's best. Unfortunately he has to play the Panthers. There will be no Conn Smythe for him this year.

Maybe two, if Florida takes the night off so that they can hoist the Cup at home, although this has been such a mismatch that I think they'd really have to out of their way to lose.

 

[Catscountry40]

Divesaitl is getting a ton of flack, but he's clearly playing hurt. Hyman is a McDavid merchant, but yes, he should be getting more criticism. RNH should absolutely be getting more blame for doing nothing.

The reason why McDavid gets more flack is because the Canadian media and hockey world at large has hyped him up to mythical creature levels of prestige/dominance, so when he looks merely "good" or "fine", he's going to get chastised for being McDecent instead of McJesus.

Guy is so "hurt" that he needs to try and hurt Barkov.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

You literally attacked McDavid for getting “garbage” points in a 4-3 loss…citing that it would have been better if he simply lost 4-1 and went scoreless because “a loss is a loss”. That’s how desperate you are to hate on him. The dude got his team within one goal and he’s the Problem?…

Bro you have been bias, that’s why I brought up Crosby and the hypocrisy of your opinions. The great Sidney Crosby had 3 points in 7 games and was a -3 that series and his team still won. I guess for you if a loss is a loss than a win is a win


The posters I’ve been quoting have been completely ignoring everyone BUT McDavid.

Totally false. Read first then post.

 

[Video Nasty]

You literally attacked McDavid for getting “garbage” points in a 4-3 loss…citing that it would have been better if he simply lost 4-1 and went scoreless because “a loss is a loss”. That’s how desperate you are to hate on him. The dude got his team within one goal and he’s the Problem?…

Bro you have been bias, that’s why I brought up Crosby and the hypocrisy of your opinions. The great Sidney Crosby had 3 points in 7 games and was a -3 that series and his team still won. I guess for you if a loss is a loss than a win is a win


The posters I’ve been quoting have been completely ignoring everyone BUT McDavid.

There’s no winning against the hypocrites.

They don’t care that Crosby was invisible in the first Cup win or that he had as many points off 14 Pittsburgh goals as McDavid does off 4 Edmonton goals thus far. Or that he didn’t even play half of Game 7 and they still went on to win.

Or that Crosby could notch 0 or 1 points and still see his team win 11 of the required 16 games during the 2016 run. He had a total of 2 assists in 6 games against Washington and Pittsburgh had little issue dispatching a 120 point team despite that.

Completely ignoring exiting Game 3 against Washington in 2017 after just a couple of minutes of play, missing Game 4, and registering just 3 assists in Games 5-7 where they almost collapsed, but still moved on despite him not potting any goals.

And of course, scoring a total of 2 goals and 14 points in 19 SCF games during the 3 Finals Pittsburgh won, the final two of which were against the #6 and #8 seeds in the West (Nashville had the fewest points among all playoff teams).

McDavid is held to a higher standard because he’s a better player and time is ticking on Crosby’s shortly-lived reign as maybe #5.

 

[Empoleon8771]

There’s no winning against the hypocrites.

They don’t care that Crosby was invisible in the first Cup win or that he had as many points off 14 Pittsburgh goals as McDavid does off 4 Edmonton goals thus far. Or that he didn’t even play half of Game 7 and they still went on to win.

Or that Crosby could notch 0 or 1 points and still see his team win 11 of the required 16 games during the 2016 run. He had a total of 2 assists in 6 games against Washington and Pittsburgh had little issue dispatching a 120 point team despite that.

Completely ignoring exiting Game 3 against Washington in 2017 after just a couple of minutes of play, missing Game 4, and registering just 3 assists in Games 5-7 where they almost collapsed, but still moved on despite him not potting any goals.

And of course, scoring a total of 2 goals and 14 points in 19 SCF games during the 3 Finals Pittsburgh won, the final two of which were against the #6 and #8 seeds in the West (Nashville had the fewest points among all playoff teams).

McDavid is held to a higher standard because he’s a better player and time is ticking on Crosby’s shortly-lived reign as maybe #5.

Or maybe we can evaluate McDavid's performance in this series by watching him with our eyes and seeing he's not playing well, and any argument about "what about Sidney Crosby" is just trying to deflect away from the fact that McDavid isn't playing well. Crosby is entirely irrelevant to McDavid's performance in this series, which has been extremely disappointing relative to expectations for how he should be playing.

If pointing out what Crosby did in the past somehow makes you feel better about McDavid's bad performance and the Oilers being down 3-0 in this series, I guess you can do that. But for everyone else, we'll just continue watching McDavid be a disappointment as the Oilers get smoked in the finals.

 

[Video Nasty]

Or maybe we can evaluate McDavid's performance in this series by watching him with our eyes and seeing he's not playing well, and any argument about "what about Sidney Crosby" is just trying to deflect away from the fact that McDavid isn't playing well.

He’s playing just fine. He’s not invisible as many here are claiming. A few non-incredible Bob saves and non-hit posts, and we’re talking about a guy who would have something along the lines of 3 goals and 8-9 points, and possibly a 2-1 series advantage. That’s not how reality has unfolded, but McDavid is the last reason the Oilers are in a 3-0 hole.

I can concede that playing just fine is also not good enough, regardless of missed opportunities.

Hardly invisible though and there’s nothing embarrassing about his performance. Or even bad as you just added to your post.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Barring a very stark turnaround, this series is going to haunt McDavid for some time to come. It’s not just that three assists isn’t good enough, it’s that a narrative has been created that he can be shut down when it matters most. Meanwhile, Barkov’s reputation is soaring.

This reminds me a lot of the ‘97 Finals, when Eric Lindros was just toying with the league and expected to lead the Flyers against a Detroit team that had a choker label from the previous years. Detroit completely shut him down, and the Lindros mystique was never quite the same after that. This situation isn’t quite as extreme, because McDavid has at least produced a little, but it definitely leaves a mark on his reputation that he didn’t exactly lead them in this series.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He’s playing just fine. He’s not invisible as many here are claiming. A few non-incredible Bob saves and non-hit posts, and we’re talking about a guy who would have something along the lines of 3 goals and 8-9 points, and possibly a 2-1 series advantage. That’s not how reality has unfolded, but McDavid is the last reason the Oilers are in a 3-0 hole.

I can concede that playing just fine is also not good enough, regardless of missed opportunities.

Hardly invisible though and there’s nothing embarrassing about his performance. Or even bad as you just added to your post.

And he's a missed lucky bounce (Broberg's goal off of Miikola yesterday) and Bobrovsky not giving up a weak goal (Ekholm goal in game 2) away from only having 1 point in 3 games.

He hasn't been playing well at all. The idea that he's actually playing to the level of having 8-9 points in 3 games if the bounces go well is just downright lunacy. It's making up a fantasy that anyone watching the games know is a complete farce.