OT: Hurricanes Lounge XLVI: Really, It's All About Beer and Bojangles

[Borsig]

Any CEO's job is to make shareholders money.

Im one of the biggest libertarians on this site but when your profits are f***ing 80 billion annualy, and you kill people or cause them to lose their home over a medical bill you desperately try and deny? yeah. I'll have a coke.

I pay almost 900 a month for health insurace and we got a 3k claim for tumor removal denied because they were benign and cosmetic .f*** all these people.

 

[Svechhammer]

I mean.

Im kinda with the crazies on this one.

I dont wish for death of people like that. But I also don't really care that the CEO of the most notorious claim denier got shot in the back. Oh well?


FWIW - most of you may not know my wife is a very sick girl. Not cancer sick, but she has a genetic disorder that causes a lot of problems, and chronic pancreatitis. We constantly get denied stuff for her Genetic condition, which causes ,mostly benign tumors to grow on her NERVES. They are painful. and numerous. But because they are mostly benign it's considered cosmetic, because they only cause pain and discomfort and not death I guess?

So yeah. I'll have a coke, I'm not sorry, and sometimes people get what the deserve.

Man I'm right there with you but for me it's for my mom. Pre-existing condition means she's SOL for most coverages.

And yeah, let's just say I don't support the guy getting shot, but at the same time, I understand

 

[Derailed75]

And if making the shareholders money means people die because they can't afford life saving surgery or medicine, that's evil, and I will not shed a single sorry tear when those CEOs get gunned down in the street.

I'm really sad that you are ok with a human being executed in the streets because of some clause that allowed his company to not pay a claim.

Seriously there's a lot not right with out system but this man was executed and some of you are ok with that?

 

[Svechhammer]

Any CEO's job is to make shareholders money.

Late stage capitalism means this mindset, even if it means killing people to make it happen

 

[Derailed75]

Man we are in a bad place

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Man we are in a bad place

Yeah, it turns out the masses eventually get tired of f***ed over by the rich and retaliate with violence. If only there was some historical precedent of this happening…

 

[Svechhammer]

Yeah, it turns out the masses eventually get tired of f***ed over by the rich and retaliate with violence. If only there was some historical precedent of this happening…

 

[To Be Determined]

Yeah, it turns out the masses eventually get tired of f***ed over by the rich and retaliate with violence. If only there was some historical precedent of this happening…

I saw a (possibly entirely made up) graph comparing US wealth distribution with late 1700s france that feels relevent to this post...

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I saw a (possibly entirely made up) graph comparing US wealth distribution with late 1700s france that feels relevent to this post...

I posted it two pages ago

 

[Lempo]

I don't guys I won't say much other than you guys are advocating murdering someone in cold blood because they didn't pay for something you think they should have.

That's a pretty sad thought.

It's not so much advocating murder methinks. It's just that, well, George Carlin said it good on the topic of death penalty, that it's not much of a deterrent for the gangbangers in the hood. But start killing the white bankers who launder their drug money and see the problem go away in weeks.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Personally I think all insurance specially if it's forced by the government is a form a racketeering, with that being said the fact that hospitals charge 12 dollars for an asprin is where the problem starts and also where we should start the solution. Killing CEO's of insurance companies is about 50,000 on the list of ways to fix this if it should be there at all.

The problem with the bold is that one of the big reasons for the 12 dollars IS the insurance industry. I'm not going to wade into the discussion on the murder of this person.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

But is it i mean why is it insurance companies responsibility to pay for an individuals care? As I said first and foremost medical billing is to blame and needs to be fixed. Secondly personal responsibility needs to be fixed

What specifically do you mean by "personal responsibility"?

Many companies are no longer offering medical benefits, or they've been greatly reduced or are at significant expense to employees. Insurance can cost more than a house payment, and that doesn't even get into the cost of procedures or getting denied for procedures. Most companies have done away with defined benefit retirement plans so that leaves Medicare for retirees. We can't assume that anyone struggling to pay for insurance is lazy or just doesn't want to work if that's what you meant.

Certainly there is some personal responsibility in personal health. Cardiovascular disease is the #1 health problem in the US, and while some of that is hereditary, much of it is a lifestyle choice. Cancer is #2 and about 20-30% of that is due to using tobacco products.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

And how many people die if the insurance companies don’t manage their costs and go bankrupt? I’m not try to excuse all their actions, but it is not as simple as you made it out to be, of course.

Look at other countries.

US healthcare is an ABOMINATION.

I don't guys I won't say much other than you guys are advocating murdering someone in cold blood because they didn't pay for something you think they should have.

That's a pretty sad thought.

Wishing ill will upon horrid people is underrated.

I don't advocate for violence

I do… under specific circumstances.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

CEO's who's job is to make the share holders mone

And here is the crux of the issue. In this field it should not be the only job.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

offing fathers, brothers

Putin has a family too and the day he dies I am opening a bottle of rum.

I think the simpler answer here, the one that doesn't require murdering anybody...and I do consider Thompson to be a murderer too; I lament he will never go to prison...is to socialize all the health insurers and make them function as NPOs, after wiping out all shareholder value (I have no sympathy for them. Investing in for-profit insurers is immoral and they deserve the fiscal obliteration.) and delisting insurance companies from the exchanges. Next, do the hospital groups.

They simply should not be allowed to operate as for-profit entities. Eliminating their capacity and obligation to generate a profit would do more to deal with the problems of healthcare than your concerns about overpriced aspirin.

Of course, I'm an extremist though, forget Medicare for All...I think we need a US NHS.

NHS is pretty garbage by European standards mind you.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

I mean.

Im kinda with the crazies on this one.

I dont wish for death of people like that. But I also don't really care that the CEO of the most notorious claim denier got shot in the back. Oh well?


FWIW - most of you may not know my wife is a very sick girl. Not cancer sick, but she has a genetic disorder that causes a lot of problems, and chronic pancreatitis. We constantly get denied stuff for her Genetic condition, which causes ,mostly benign tumors to grow on her NERVES. They are painful. and numerous. But because they are mostly benign it's considered cosmetic, because they only cause pain and discomfort and not death I guess?

So yeah. I'll have a coke, I'm not sorry, and sometimes people get what the deserve.

Neurofibroma?

 

[Borsig]

Neurofibroma?

She has NF1. Yes.

 

[Borsig]

Yeah, it turns out the masses eventually get tired of f***ed over by the rich and retaliate with violence. If only there was some historical precedent of this happening…

You know who else resorts to violence? People who have no other option and nothing left to lose. There are also political precedents for this happening. It's why we are a republic and have rights in a constitution.

Meanwhile BOS members are having cops drag people out of a BOS meeting in NJ for holding an american flag. And the cops are willingly doing it. Cause lil Susie needs braces. Who's the bigger POS? The cops smiling as the drag people out? (Fairfax and Loudoun CO Va anyone?) Or the NPC trash mob level elected officals who will never amount to more than some hack on a county board?

The thing is, people are tired of elites. Political elites, Powerful CEO elites (Gates, the chinese buying up farm land, lies about where covid came from then 3 years later, oh it came from that place) and so on. Its not the wealth, for me, it's the influence that f***s people over. I could care less what you make. IDGAF if you make 10m a year or your company makes 80B a year. I don't. GOOD for you. But if you harm me in the process of doing that? If you take from me what little I have or cause harm to me or mine? Better hope I have more to lose than gain. I'm fast approaching 50. I've lived my life. I don't have anything or anyone to leave behind other than her. I've asked for people to keep the social contract (do no harm, leave people alone, keep your word) for FAR too long and watched people get away with FAR too much.

The ATF knocks on my door because I buy a thread adapter for a suppressor I have a form 4 because I bought it online from a source they don't like. Show up on my porch and THREATEN me. Yet the POTUS' kid gets a pardon for lying on a 4473 when I'd get prison. Yeah. People are fed up and it ain't all the money.

I just had a 3k claim denied when I pay almost 900 a month between my HSA and insurance for two. Yeah. I'll have a f***in coke and I'm not sorry. These people wouldn't care if I had a heart attack and died from stress, or if I never retire and die before I did. Why should I give a shit if this dude got two in his back for being the CEO of the company that sets the culture standard for claim denial? I don't - because they don't care about me. "Oh well, anyway..."

Insurance can cost more than a house payment, and that doesn't even get into the cost of procedures or getting denied for procedures. Most companies have done away with defined benefit retirement plans so that leaves Medicare for retirees. We can't assume that anyone struggling to pay for insurance is lazy or just doesn't want to work if that's what you meant.

My insurance for two adults IS more than my house payment, when you back out the taxes I pay for the services I don't use.

 

[Lempo]

before we indiscriminately start offing fathers, brothers, children, sisters, wifes and moms because we hate that they did their job well.

Mentioning here that "I was only doing my job" is a defense that has been tested in a trial would be below belt obviously.

But, if your job is to amorally treat human casualties as numbers and you have on your part greenlighted that line of thinking, I don't think your wife or your kids who directly benefited from said job have much leg to complain if someone else equally amorally comes to the logically justifiable conclusion that the most effective statement against your policies is to be made through you in a very high velocity.

Then again once again I'm reminded of the phrase everyone's favorite philosopher Pratchett put in Granny Weatherwax's mouth, about how every crime starts from treating other people as things.

Speaking of thangs, everyone's favorite spitter-on-thangs seems to be in a bit of hot water after the lauch of her crypto currency ends up being a perceived daylight robbery in matter of hours.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Speaking of thangs, everyone's favorite spitter-on-thangs seems to be in a bit of hot water after the lauch of her crypto currency ends up being a perceived daylight robbery in matter of hours.

No surprise. Everytime someone gets 15 minutes of fame, they’ll go one of three routes when that fame starts to fade (in no particular order):

1. Crypto scam
2. OnlyFans
3. Political grift

I would have thought #2, given HOW she got famous, but I guess #1 is a tried and true method.

 

[To Be Determined]

I posted it two pages ago

lol - at least that means i didn't dream it.

 

[Svechhammer]

No surprise. Everytime someone gets 15 minutes of fame, they’ll go one of three routes when that fame starts to fade (in no particular order):

1. Crypto scam
2. OnlyFans
3. Political grift

I would have thought #2, given HOW she got famous, but I guess #1 is a tried and true method.

Would you be shocked to find out the crypto scam was backed by the Paul brothers? Because I wasnt

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It is funny to see the reaction to the shooting. The media and the NYPD are trying to make it out like he’s some danger to society, when we all saw him ignore everyone but the CEO. So they decided to instead offer “Up to 10k dollars” for information about their identity, but society as a whole went Terminator 2:

Meanwhile, other insurance companies are removing the “About” pages off their websites, Musk is on Twitter trying to sway the public about how “it’s not based” to hate CEOs, it’s funny to see a little fear in the ruling class.

Oh, and check out the reaction numbers on Facebook:

 

[Svechhammer]

It is funny to see the reaction to the shooting. The media and the NYPD are trying to make it out like he’s some danger to society, when we all saw him ignore everyone but the CEO. So they decided to instead offer “Up to 10k dollars” for information about their identity, but society as a whole went Terminator 2:

Meanwhile, other insurance companies are removing the “About” pages off their websites, Musk is on Twitter trying to sway the public about how “it’s not based” to hate CEOs, it’s funny to see a little fear in the ruling class.

The ruling class should fear the people. Their entire job is to rule this country in order to do what is best for the country and populace, and far far too often they only act in the interests of the elites. And quite frankly, they've gotten a little too comfortable with screwing over the regular person for their own personal gain with no consequences, so if popping off one CEO has them scared.... good.

 

[Svechhammer]

But hey, they maximized profits for shareholders!