GDT: Hurricanes @ Devils - 3:00 PM - MSGSN

[Devs3cups]

It doesn’t matter if Jack was in page for besting Gretzkys records. You still hold THAT player accountable when THEY make the mistake that leads to a goalie having to chase out of position by racing out to WIN Possession of the puck and then pass across the open net. Doesn’t matter he is accountable. Mackenzie is accountable for many other loses but that doesn’t mean that we just blame him for this one cuz he had bad games.

A goalie is there to negate mistakes. Most goals in hockey are scored off mistakes. Mistakes in hockey are normal. The goalie is there to stop those mistakes and be the last line of defense most times.

I didn't even say Mac had a bad game. He mostly played a solid game today. But that mistake was a back breaker. If he made that pass instead of flubbing it we're not even talking about Jack's play.

That's the thing, and I really think we're coming from different perspectives here and it's fine, but Mac can have one good game and shit the bed the next 5. He's inconsistent, lets in costly goals/makes costly mistakes often, and simply can't be relied upon. It's getting tiring.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

You're a goalie. Only explanation for this sort of justification. Almost every goal involves something the opponent is trying to do. Blackwood had a very basic play to make and he blew it. It's something that's bound to happen to a goalie, except that he also did something similar last season.

He's worst than CS in the playing of the puck category. That's saying quite a lot.

 

[njdevils1982]

2-2-1 in last five…… progress???

 

[Puckclektr]

A goalie is there to negate mistakes. Most goals in hockey are scored off mistakes. Mistakes in hockey are normal. The goalie is there to stop those mistakes and be the last line of defense most times.

I didn't even say Mac had a bad game. He mostly played a solid game today. But that mistake was a back breaker. If he made that pass instead of flubbing it we're not even talking about Jack's play.

That's the thing, and I really think we're coming from different perspectives here and it's fine, but Mac can have one good game and shit the bed the next 5. He's inconsistent, lets in costly goals/makes costly mistakes often, and simply can't be relied upon. It's getting tiring.

Lol. Still ignoring the fact that Jack had culpability. Lol. Just agree to disagree.

 

[Dylan9z9]

Honestly, yeah. My expectations haven't really changed since the start of the year. We're still progressing, still a young team and we're playing competitive hockey most nights (petty much every night except a few games this year). I couldn't say that about last year's team.

Ok I hear you they are a better team then last year but a lot of last years mistakes and bad play seems to be creeping back into their play, started being noticed way back in the Preds game another game they had won and then gave away. Sorta been going downhill since then.

 

[Bleedred]

Goalie are like pitchers and QBs. It's a rhythm based position. He keeps derailing any progress with the injuries.

I think it's more than possible he just isn't any good.

His 17-18 and 18-19 AHL play would certainly indicate that he isn't.

And that was long before covid, long before any of the recent injuries.

Don't get me wrong, it's possible he had ailments back then too. I know he got hurt at some point in 18-19.

But regardless, his poor play didn't just come out of nowhere after he got covid. It was happening a couple years before that.

If anything, his 18-19 and 19-20 NHL seasons are looking like glaring outliers in his pro hockey career.

 

[billingtons ghost]

We lost a series of coin flip games for a couple weeks while the finishing dried up and the goalies took a step back. There are no real signs of any type of collapse.

This is such a terrible take and if expect that from you.

Anyone who watched the games saw terribad play all over the ice during this losing streak. We got knocked around, became a perimeter team, especially our skill guys, and basically abandoned the style of play we had adopted from game four onward.

Your oversimplified analysis is laughable to anyone with eyes and the sense to use them.

 

[Devs3cups]

You're a goalie. Only explanation for this sort of justification. Almost every goal involves something the opponent is trying to do. Blackwood had a very basic play to make and he blew it. It's something that's bound to happen to a goalie, except that he also did something similar last season.

Funny you mention it, I got PTSD from the blunder in the Washington game after seeing that 2nd goal live.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

Honestly, the last few games have been significantly better all around, and if it wasn't for taking lots and lots of penalties, i would say we might be out of this funk and ready to get back to dominating.

I'll agree with the 'it's always something' with Blackwood sentiment. I'll be relieved when he's gone and Severson is gone. I know he played 30 minutes last game, but one good game doesn't make him good. They are both disruptors just like Subban and Smith and much of our forwards last year.

We desperately need Rango, Mercer or Wood to step up. I have no faith in Tatar or Haula as top six guys and it's unfair to expect Zetterlund or Thompson or Holtz tbh.

Getting Palat back should be big, but we are still a couple players away.

The D corps is seven deep nails when Marino gets back.

Blackwood is the new Cory Schnider for our fans to fight over. Yeah needs to go

 

[Devs3cups]

Lol. Still ignoring the fact that Jack had culpability. Lol. Just agree to disagree.

Jack's play wasn't a good play. Mac's play was worse.

I mean, are you letting a goalie off the hook every time a goal results from a bad play by the 5 other players on the ice? If that's the case, goalies aren't responsible for like 98% of the goals scored on them. As I said, most goals in the NHL (or in hockey in general) happen because of bad coverage, turnovers, mental mistakes, etc.

 

[Bleedred]

Funny you mention it, I got PTSD from the blunder in the Washington game after seeing that 2nd goal live.

That one was EVEN WORSE than today's. All he had to do was cover that one.

I remember us winning that game in OT and bailing him out of that one.

He also gave up a short side goal to Carlson earlier that game, where I remember spending a great deal of the GDT arguing with the guy that really loves Goodrow and Hyman that it wasn't a bad goal because that guy is really good and can shoot the puck.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Ok I hear you they are a better team then last year but a lot of last years mistakes and bad play seems to be creeping back into their play, started being noticed way back in the Preds game another game they had won and then gave away. Sorta been going downhill since then.

You're not wrong. They regressed to the way they started the season and it had much to do with our neutral zone decisions, physical play, and teams taking away our transition passes... All of which made some players grip sticks and others disappear.

But there's signs we are back.

One noticable thing about this game was a complete lack of the redass we've had about Nico getting destroyed.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

This is such a terrible take and if expect that from you.

Anyone who watched the games saw terribad play all over the ice during this losing streak. We got knocked around, became a perimeter team, especially our skill guys, and basically abandoned the style of play we had adopted from game four onward.

Your oversimplified analysis is laughable to anyone with eyes and the sense to use them.

You genuinely don’t have a clue what you’re talking about at all. Not even going to bother to post any stats that you wouldn’t even understand anyway.

Actually why not, I’ll just post a guy’s take that has forgotten more about hockey than you’ll ever know. This was some time mid L streak.



Your eye test stinks.

 

[Bleedred]

Blackwood is the new Cory Schnider for our fans to fight over. Yeah needs to go

Schneider was a GREAT goalie at one time. He just declined and fell apart at a really young age. That's not unusual for a goalie at 30 years old, but is unusual for a goalie as good as him at that age. I'm not convinced he's currently a worse goalie than Blackwood is, as his last two AHL seasons haven't been bad. He certainly was worse than Blackwood the last we saw of him here, but Blackwood has taken a sharp turn for the worst since then.

However, he's not the only goalie of his generation to fall apart at a similar age.

Price had a really bad season at 29 years old and was pretty mediocre for the remainder of his career (had another good year and one okay year after that and his only SCF run) after that, but that was the beginning of the end for him.

Holtby started going downhill around age 28.

Bobrovsky around age 30.

Kind of funny that Schneider is an active pro hockey player in 2023 and Price and Holtby are not. Holtby probably won't play again, as he's not even under contract this year. That's if he's even healthy enough to get cleared for another deal to begin with. Price looks like he had his swan song last Spring when he came back to play a handful of games (to bad results) last year.

Bob is still signed for 3 more years after this at one of the lousiest cap hits in the league.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Jack's play wasn't a good play. Mac's play was worse.

I mean, are you letting a goalie off the hook every time a goal results from a bad play by the 5 other players on the ice? If that's the case, goalies aren't responsible for like 98% of the goals scored on them. As I said, most goals in the NHL (or in hockey in general) happen because of bad coverage, turnovers, mental mistakes, etc.

No one here is 'letting him off the hook' just the way we don't let Severson off the hook... Bc it happens alot.

To say 'we lost BECAUSE' of that play is silly, when we had 4x as many turnovers (literally), stupid penalties that cost us, and an abundance of breakdowns that led to breakaways.

We were only in the game bc raanta gave up three softies. We got pretty well worked by a better team but Blackwood came up with more than a few stellar saves to even keep us around.

 

[Puckclektr]

Jack's play wasn't a good play. Mac's play was worse.

I mean, are you letting a goalie off the hook every time a goal results from a bad play by the 5 other players on the ice? If that's the case, goalies aren't responsible for like 98% of the goals scored on them. As I said, most goals in the NHL (or in hockey in general) happen because of bad coverage, turnovers, mental mistakes, etc.

Not at all. But 98% of the time the mack gets the blame and the accountability isn’t on any of the other players. I mean there have been incredible terrible defensive plays or man coverage and Mack had virtually no chance unless it is a save of the year candidate and he still gets attacked my the same handful of people in here. Mack isn’t a good goalie he is what he is. An injury prone player who is trying to get back to where he was 3 years ago.

 

[billingtons ghost]

You genuinely don’t have a clue what you’re talking about at all. Not even going to bother to post any stats that you wouldn’t even understand anyway.

Actually why not, I’ll just post a guy’s take that has forgotten more about hockey than you’ll ever know. This was some time mid L streak.



Your eye test stinks.

Not as bad as your faith in crap like xWhateblecr regardless of what was really happening

Did anyone think we were really playing the same hockey during the streak as in December? Your clown show analysis is always goofy but tell me more about Severson's Corsi and how he's a legit #1 in the league. That's your legacy and it's telling.

 

[Tundra]

Not at all. But 98% of the time the mack gets the blame and the accountability isn’t on any of the other players. I mean there have been incredible terrible defensive plays or man coverage and Mack had virtually no chance unless it is a save of the year candidate and he still gets attacked my the same handful of people in here. Mack isn’t a good goalie he is what he is. An injury prone player who is trying to get back to where he was 3 years ago.

And if you watched his games this year, I'd say his really only poor performances were against Washington and Boston. He's played satisfactory.

 

[ninetyeight]

Honestly pretty happy with their performance (and 1 point) against the hottest team in the league. It does suck because they were so close to getting 2 points, but the overall result is not bad. I just hope Nico is alright and that it's just a bruise.

Graves was not good and might have partly cost us the game, but it's not easy coming back from an injury. Vanecek probably would have saved most of the goals Blackwood let in, but then let in equally many (or more) other shots. The problem with MBW is that he's inconsistant. He makes some out of this world elite reactionary saves, but then lets in a softy or messes up with the puck. He's also terrible in the shootouts. But overall he had a great game today.

 

[Bleedred]

For what it's worth, Blackwood was certainly the better goalie today, but him getting the start today when he was only gonna play again on Wednesday or Thursday means they haven't conceded on the fact that Vanecek is the better goalie and should be the starter.

If this game came in a stretch where there weren't any back to backs for a while, then sure, you let Blackwood play.

But I think we're gonna see a lot more of him than we'd like to or that we really need to.

And if you watched his games this year, I'd say his really only poor performances were against Washington and Boston. He's played satisfactory.

Philly opener was also a really bad game from him.

I'd say that game was even worse than the Washington game, where he played poorly, but was also unlucky with like almost every fluky shot filling the net.

 

[Devs3cups]

2 days to recoup, heal and get ready for the game against Detroit. I like our position right now after 2 solid games against Boston and 3 points out of a possible 4.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Schneider was a GREAT goalie at one time. He just declined and fell apart at a really young age. That's not unusual for a goalie.

Outside of your golden SV%, there's absolutely nothing to back this statement up.

He looked wonderful in his frantic scrambly no- rebound-control play, but he was legit garbage. What Blackwood did tonight (bad puck handle, lose in the shootout) was Cory's MO for like twenty games so idk wtf you are talking about and neither do you.

It's just a case of bias. One player you like, one you hate.

 

[njdevils1982]

You genuinely don’t have a clue what you’re talking about at all. Not even going to bother to post any stats that you wouldn’t even understand anyway.

Actually why not, I’ll just post a guy’s take that has forgotten more about hockey than you’ll ever know. This was some time mid L streak.



Your eye test stinks.

salstistics!

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Not as bad as your faith in crap like xWhateblecr regardless of what was really happening

Did anyone think we were really playing the same hockey during the streak as in December? Your clown show analysis is always goofy but tell me more about Severson's Corsi and how he's a legit #1 in the league. That's your legacy and it's telling.

Don’t what you’re blathering about, but anyone with eyes could see that we weren’t playing that poorly for the results we got. Objectively true. You’re also saying you have more hockey knowledge than Bryce Salvador. A little egotistical, if you ask me.

 

[Puckclektr]

And if you watched his games this year, I'd say his really only poor performances were against Washington and Boston. He's played satisfactory.

I agree I live in Toronto and the reason why that team has been so unsuccessful is the fans all over the players. Way too much pressure. When a player has been injury prone or struggles they get attacked.
I don’t like it and as a fan I try to support that player until I know for sure they are not going to be what they were.
Mack still has a chance and played behind a terrible team prior to this year. He and VV started off bad. And the mack got injuried and the team went on a hot streak and that wasn’t because mack was injured. VV had some good games but he wasn’t the reason the team was winning. Every player was on fire. If Mack wasnt injured during that run he would have better numbers.