Post-Game Talk: Huge comeback win! Jets 4-3

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Buff fined.

What about the hit on Hendricks? That was about 100 times worse

Just a fine e for that too. Lol. NHL IS A JOKE.

 

[Atoyot]

Buff fined.

What about the hit on Hendricks? That was about 100 times worse

Also fined.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Buff and Bowey both fined max allowable.

Yeah nothing to see here. Keep calm and carry on

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Player Safety got it right on both with maximum allowable fines on each.

 

[BoneDocUK]

See I don't think he's regressed there at all. His possesson numbers are better this season and that is with spending 16 games on Wheelers line when he was a C (Wheeler was a possesson black hole in that role).

Laine is also generating more shots per hour this year. I have seen significant improvement in his play in his own end. He is much improved with his reads and tracking back to give outlet options. He is also much improved with his transition play both through the NZ and out of his end. He really has one major deficiency in his end and that is winning contested puck battles. People here have short memories all of the same criticisms where used against Scheifele when he was younger.

His scoring at ES is down but his scoring last year was largely inflated by that time period that he was with Scheifele and the pair scored well over the 3 p/60 rate. I think he's doing just fine at ES this year given his age.

I'd only add that he is a MUCH better distributor on the PP than last year, when if he wasn't shooting plays tended to die on his stick quickly. Now he rarely gives up the puck and constantly makes smart, quick passes and is far more aggressive on the boards and in the corners. In the D-zone he's more fragile on the right side than the left -- if you go back and run through his catalogue of giveaways and errors they tend to happen when he's on the right side, and I wonder if that's a function of his previous experience as an LW. Anyway, he's scored 25 times what Scheif did as a 19/20 and 21 year-old in the NHL, and is already a better all-round player. Time to cut him some slack in terms of catastrophic predictions.

 

[AlphaLackey]

That's a season defining win imo, glad they pulled that out because they deserved to win with all the chances they created.

I know he scored the OT winner and good on him but Myers needs to get his head out of his ass sometimes. His brain dead play in the 1st on the Caps goal had me in a bad mood most of the game, like wtf? He is so slow to move the puck and lugs it up the ice waaaay too often. If anyone wants to see a big difference in his game and Buff's, look no further than that. Buff was excellent again last night btw, all over the ice. Strongest Jets D by a long shot. Toby was also very good.

Great win, glad to see Scheif back closer to his old self. What can yo say about Perreault's game, so valuable.

I know when I saw him pick the puck out of the mess and get himself a little room, right before he scored I had a little spark in my head, like "surely that's all the room he needs?". Great players are the ones that make you believe magic can happen. Schiefele definitely revived that feeling last night, that's for sure.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Fake playoffs update.

RD 1 still trailing in the series 2 games to 1

 

[surixon]

Buff and Bowey both fined max allowable.

Seems fair to treat both the same way. Although I would like to see any headshots suspended.

 

[Ducky10]

Either the Zamboni driver or the skate sharpener needs an evaluation after seeing all the Jets hit the deck last night!

 

[LucianoBorsato]

Either the Zamboni driver or the skate sharpener needs an evaluation after seeing all the Jets hit the deck last night!

It had been noted earlier, the ice seemed to be in all around poor condition due to a concert the night before. The Capitols skating wasn't all that crisp either

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

See I don't think he's regressed there at all. His possesson numbers are better this season and that is with spending 16 games on Wheelers line when he was a C (Wheeler was a possesson black hole in that role).

Laine is also generating more shots per hour this year. I have seen significant improvement in his play in his own end. He is much improved with his reads and tracking back to give outlet options. He is also much improved with his transition play both through the NZ and out of his end. He really has one major deficiency in his end and that is winning contested puck battles. People here have short memories all of the same criticisms where used against Scheifele when he was younger.

His scoring at ES is down but his scoring last year was largely inflated by that time period that he was with Scheifele and the pair scored well over the 3 p/60 rate. I think he's doing just fine at ES this year given his age.

I don't entirely disagree with this.

It's more eye-test and actual scoring results that I am basing my opinion on. I haven't seen near the game breaking ability that I saw last year. I feel like he has created less offense 5 on 5 than last year. The results definitely show it in terms of actual production, but an improved corsi and shots per hour could mean I'm being bias.

I will still say, it's not as if I think he's a bad player or has taken a significant step back. He is still a dynamite goal scorer, I just fear that he is becoming more one dimensional. Last year I would defend him as I saw a lot of good playmaking ability and saw him take over shifts by himself, I haven't seen that this year. Relative to his age he is obviously incredibly impressive, I just expected more after last year.

I will maintain that he is horrible at getting the puck off the boards and out of our end, he is probably the last person on our team I want to see get the puck on the boards if we have been pinned down in our end. I really hope he focuses on his first few strides this offseason.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I think Laine is just in a bit of a lull. It's a long season and young players often are inconsistent in their intensity. I have a feeling that he will crank it up in the playoffs. He's a special talent and when he's playing at his peak, he can be a force.

In the off-season, he needs to work on speed and endurance, instead of the bulking up he did last off-season. He's the third great young player that seemed to make the mistake of bulking up too early, and losing some quickness (remember Morrissey and Ehlers did the same thing).

I believe that this is the long term path that trainers take for younger athletes. The late teens are prime years for adding muscle that will carry through the rest of their careers, so you have to take advantage of this during those years. Once they build that strength, then they work on speed and agility later. Scheifele went through the same process. He kept building muscle, then learned how to stay on his skates and eventually built speed.

 

[Dr Amazing]

55 is back!!!

where did he go ?

 

[204hockey]

I believe that this is the long term path that trainers take for younger athletes. The late teens are prime years for adding muscle that will carry through the rest of their careers, so you have to take advantage of this during those years. Once they build that strength, then they work on speed and agility later. Scheifele went through the same process. He kept building muscle, then learned how to stay on his skates and eventually built speed.

this is exactly what it is. they are building there foundation the balance and agility comes later.2 years of strength gains then 2 years of speed agility balance work and then hes in his prime for 8 years. peoples expectations are too high sometimes his rookie season he had no pressure now with the team doing so good he is prolly feeling alot of pressure.. look how awkward he is when EVERY game the camera stops at him on the bench in his face for national anthems... i think hes just in his own head right now and maybe the puck retrieval of the boards is bad because the hit he took has him knowing he doesnt have much time and is rushing

tl;dr

 

[Dr Amazing]

go jets go

 

[204hockey]

Can't say enough about the Wheeler interview. He again is displaying the right attitude about not prematurely celebrating - having not even made the f'ing playoffs yet. And stop talking about the Stanley cup - how about winning a playoff game. Maybe now when some of us suggest tapping the brakes on how we are making a run to the final, people will stop calling us haters or not real fans or whatever was said. Cant recall the exact criticism but thats what it feels like sometimes when facts/reality is injected in to some of these discussions.

Great win yesterday. This team needs to learn that this is what it will take to win games down the stretch and in the postseason. 90% effort gets you golf. 100% effort gives you a chance.

its a little differant for fans we are allowed to be too high or too low because we arent the ones performing on the ice for players if they get too high or too low during an 82 game season they wld need therepy at the end of the year lol they gotta take it one game at a time for sanity and performance wise. love his attitude though he is right about this city being real small and hard for them to escape the hype

 

[Puckatron 3000]

Can't say enough about the Wheeler interview. He again is displaying the right attitude about not prematurely celebrating - having not even made the f'ing playoffs yet. And stop talking about the Stanley cup - how about winning a playoff game.

I liked the Wheeler interview too. It's impossible for such a hockey frenzied city like Winnipeg not to dream of winning a cup when the team is finally starting to kick some ass. But I'm sure that puts a lot of pressure on the players, and the worst thing they could do is start believing their own hype. Instead, you gotta earn it one game at a time, and that's exactly what I took from his interview.

Maybe now when some of us suggest tapping the brakes on how we are making a run to the final, people will stop calling us haters or not real fans or whatever was said.

I have never seen anyone do this.

I have seen a fair number of posters here get annoyed at people who solely post negative things about the Jets, often including personal attacks on the players, coaches, and management. For what it's worth, I don't think you're like that Jetfaninflorida. Even if you do tend towards the pessimistic side sometimes. But that's a totally different thing, and shouldn't bother anyone too much. Still, I totally get a "huge Jets fan" vibe from you.

But I can understand questioning someone's fandom when the only expression of it is to constantly drag their team through the mud. Talking stats and numbers, questioning coaching decisions, and identifying bad plays is all cool. Eternally shit-talking the team, to many of us, ain't.

Just my $0.02.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

Some of our talented wingers have been singled out for their apparent "defensive shortcomings", as they have struggled to maintain position/coverage on Capitals who scored while attacking the net. Certainly they must learn to be stronger in this aspect of the game but IMO the defensive zone coverage system used by the Jets is now being exploited by better prepared teams. The issue here is simply this - two of their deep forwards rotate away from netfront taking our D with them, with the attack on net taken up by their two defencemen and third forward. This leaves our centers/forwards who are shadowing these guys trying to do tasks that they have never been schooled to do. By this I mean simply boxing out the front of the net/ tying up a threatening stick/taking correct body position on the man/ etc. I suspect that this will be exploited even more as teams do more game-planning for a playoff series of games.

Really interesting observation, ecolad - it's something I'll watch for.

Are you also implying that the Jets are particularly susceptible to this? Other teams D wouldn't follow the deep forwards who rotate away from the net?

 

[Ducky10]

I'd only add that he is a MUCH better distributor on the PP than last year, when if he wasn't shooting plays tended to die on his stick quickly. Now he rarely gives up the puck and constantly makes smart, quick passes and is far more aggressive on the boards and in the corners. In the D-zone he's more fragile on the right side than the left -- if you go back and run through his catalogue of giveaways and errors they tend to happen when he's on the right side, and I wonder if that's a function of his previous experience as an LW. Anyway, he's scored 25 times what Scheif did as a 19/20 and 21 year-old in the NHL, and is already a better all-round player. Time to cut him some slack in terms of catastrophic predictions.

I'm not sure anyone has predicted anything catastrophic for Laine, I mostly see some objective analysis of his game.I don't get why that get's people so defensive, does every comment have to come with a note that says "he's only 19 but"? We get it, he's 19, yes he's better than Scheif at 19, hope so at #2 overall. Is any critical analysis permitted for Laine? Scheifele took 5 times the beating here when he was 19.

 

[Aavco Cup]

There's is nothing wrong with pointing out good plays bad plays or anything in between on any player on the roster. One particular player should not be exempt from that and I suggest those who take every negative comment as if someone shot their first born to grow up and get a thicker skin. It's never going to be any different here.

 

[Oilpeg]

Brings me back to my favorite game to watch the highlights of.



Also, kind of surprised that there isn't a main thread on the Byfuglien slash. Could see him sitting a game for that.

Maxwell, Machacek and Stapleton with key goals...that's amazing. Buff looked bigger too, and Stuart tougher. I sure don't miss Ladd skating around after a goal against with that stupid mouth guard hanging out. Good times though.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I'm not sure anyone has predicted anything catastrophic for Laine, I mostly see some objective analysis of his game.I don't get why that get's people so defensive, does every comment have to come with a note that says "he's only 19 but"? We get it, he's 19, yes he's better than Scheif at 19, hope so at #2 overall. Is any critical analysis permitted for Laine? Scheifele took 5 times the beating here when he was 19.

Not defensive at all -- but I'd say there's a fair bit of redundancy in some (certainly not all) of these objective criticisms, and it's feeling shopworn, which makes it seem less like critical analysis (useful, illuminating) and more like ranting.

Scheif did take a beating back in the day (and as recently as last game) -- but if we've learned anything from that surely it's that reiterating the same old shizzle about a player (SheifDown, can't play D, lacks aggression, etc etc) isn't often productive and tends to be UNcritical, easy, background noise. Whatever. I'm always interested to read solid analysis of a player, such as you and others here frequently provide, but feels like the Laine schisms here have reduced the signal:noise ratio in terms of actually following his *and the Jets') overall play.

Anyway, great finish, and the best call of a Jets OT since last year's Leafs/Jets extravaganza.

 

[GNP]

Ehler's and Laine looked invisible to me out there, and Ehler's has to to get it going. Usually he's the catalyst for getting things happening for the Jet's . I've heard Ehler's and Laine will get demoted to the 3-rd line. ( good idea to send a message) In order to win, those 2 guys have got to be rolling and productive.

Roslovic played great, and Petan wasn't bad either, as he's skating with a lot more speed and authority. I understand that Roslo will play with Little and Perrault on the 2-nd line, and I think that's a great idea for now. See how it goes.

Scheif looks back to his old form, and looked very sharp against the Caps. I hope the Jet's can go on a winning streak now. That game should give them confidence.

 

[ecolad]

Really interesting observation, ecolad - it's something I'll watch for.

Are you also implying that the Jets are particularly susceptible to this? Other teams D wouldn't follow the deep forwards who rotate away from the net?

Sorry, I was away for a while .

Yes, I do see us as being particularly susceptible to this Puck. But to engage in some meaningful dialogue on this would require that we open up Pandora`s Box and find some consensus on what the coach`s are asking the players to actually do in their defensive coverage assignments.There`s been some limited chatter on this in other threads but certainly no consensus. In general, I see other teams using a more hybrid version of coverage than that used by us ( they use a mix of individual man coverage below the circles but more typical zone coverage out to the blueline). with the D releasing from forwards who rotate beyond the circles so as to stay in their typical D posture protecting the net. Our D , having once locked in on an individual seem to try shadow them irrespective of where they go.

 

[Ducky10]

Sorry, I was away for a while .

Yes, I do see us as being particularly susceptible to this Puck. But to engage in some meaningful dialogue on this would require that we open up Pandora`s Box and find some consensus on what the coach`s are asking the players to actually do in their defensive coverage assignments.There`s been some limited chatter on this in other threads but certainly no consensus. In general, I see other teams using a more hybrid version of coverage than that used by us ( they use a mix of individual man coverage below the circles but more typical zone coverage out to the blueline). with the D releasing from forwards who rotate beyond the circles so as to stay in their typical D posture protecting the net. Our D , having once locked in on an individual seem to try shadow them irrespective of where they go.

Don't you think the Jets have been playing a bit more strong side overload more this year though? I'm not sure I see the D moving up to cover their man a huge problem tbh, I think they've been making much better reads on when to do it and when they don't need to. A big advantage to them doing that is they have the D to help in transition if they do manage to turn the puck over, and staying on that man all the way up top puts a lot of pressure on the puck. So much of what the Jets do involves activating their D and I think this is just part of that, Maurice trusts his centres to cover down low and I think for the most part they have been doing that.

It's clear their main goal is to keep everything to the perimeter and to sag when the puck goes low, the weak side winger comes down to cover between the hash marks much of the time. I think where I've seen the Jets get into a bit of trouble with this is with teams who like to play that high to low game and cycle a lot. St. Louis, Nashville, Chicago , Anaheim and a few other teams play this way and when the Jets get chasing up top and back down low repeatedly, it wears them out and creates gaps and lanes. I'm not sure it's a by product of the D chasing though, I think when those break down it's because someone missed an assignment or a breakdown occurred somewhere, which will happen let's face it.

At the end of the day the Jets focus is quick retrieval and puck movement, that's the personnel they have (mostly......looking at you Ben). They don't spend a ton of time in their own end for the most part.