Post-Game Talk: Huge comeback win! Jets 4-3

[ps241]

I think Laine is just in a bit of a lull. It's a long season and young players often are inconsistent in their intensity. I have a feeling that he will crank it up in the playoffs. He's a special talent and when he's playing at his peak, he can be a force.

In the off-season, he needs to work on speed and endurance, instead of the bulking up he did last off-season. He's the third great young player that seemed to make the mistake of bulking up too early, and losing some quickness (remember Morrissey and Ehlers did the same thing).

Lowry admitted in an interview he was too focused on hitting a certain higher weight between seasons (a few years back) and he lost speed. Then he dropped weight and worked on his skating and quickness the following season.

 

[Nickel eye Heel hers]

There's is nothing wrong with pointing out good plays bad plays or anything in between on any player on the roster. One particular player should not be exempt from that and I suggest those who take every negative comment as if someone shot their first born to grow up and get a thicker skin. It's never going to be any different here.

I also find some posters get homer goggles on certain players and refuse to accept good or bad games to change their opinions. I will read and consider most posters opinions if it is a fair analysis, but I've also tuned out the posters that irrationally hate some players.
In the end we are all Jets fans.

 

[KingBogo]

Since last night's game I've been thinking about the lines. Really like Connor's game with Scheifele and Wheeler. He just keeps it simple and uses his speed to pursue pucks and his offensive instincts to play off of Scheif and Wheeler. Roslo has been a revelation. I think he is going to be a real effective player for us. Also helped Little by being as strong on the boards as he is. Add in MP's non stop puck pursuit you have a really nice second line.

This leaves Laine and Ehlers dropping down, which may not be a bad thing. Just might take a little pressure off them. I say while we have the match up advantage of the home stand lets put them into offensive situations with favourable match ups with Petan as their center. Maybe all 3 start getting their offensive mojo going. Sure would give Petan the opportunity some believe he has never got. That leaves Copp and Armia with whoever is healthy enough to round out the 4th line. IMO this is the best use of our line up until we get Lowry back and he can take back the tough match ups.

C-S-W
P-L-R
E-P-L
X-C-A

 

[surixon]

Since last night's game I've been thinking about the lines. Really like Connor's game with Scheifele and Wheeler. He just keeps it simple and uses his speed to pursue pucks and his offensive instincts to play off of Scheif and Wheeler. Roslo has been a revelation. I think he is going to be a real effective player for us. Also helped Little by being as strong on the boards as he is. Add in MP's non stop puck pursuit you have a really nice second line.

This leaves Laine and Ehlers dropping down, which may not be a bad thing. Just might take a little pressure off them. I say while we have the match up advantage of the home stand lets put them into offensive situations with favourable match ups with Petan as their center. Maybe all 3 start getting their offensive mojo going. Sure would give Petan the opportunity some believe he has never got. That leaves Copp and Armia with whoever is healthy enough to round out the 4th line. IMO this is the best use of our line up until we get Lowry back and he can take back the tough match ups.

C-S-W
P-L-R
E-P-L
X-C-A

This is what I would like to see as well. I didn't think Copp fit with them last night. Petan has been playing well and working hard, give him the opportunity.

 

[ecolad]

Don't you think the Jets have been playing a bit more strong side overload more this year though? I'm not sure I see the D moving up to cover their man a huge problem tbh, I think they've been making much better reads on when to do it and when they don't need to. A big advantage to them doing that is they have the D to help in transition if they do manage to turn the puck over, and staying on that man all the way up top puts a lot of pressure on the puck. So much of what the Jets do involves activating their D and I think this is just part of that, Maurice trusts his centres to cover down low and I think for the most part they have been doing that.

It's clear their main goal is to keep everything to the perimeter and to sag when the puck goes low, the weak side winger comes down to cover between the hash marks much of the time. I think where I've seen the Jets get into a bit of trouble with this is with teams who like to play that high to low game and cycle a lot. St. Louis, Nashville, Chicago , Anaheim and a few other teams play this way and when the Jets get chasing up top and back down low repeatedly, it wears them out and creates gaps and lanes. I'm not sure it's a by product of the D chasing though, I think when those break down it's because someone missed an assignment or a breakdown occurred somewhere, which will happen let's face it.

At the end of the day the Jets focus is quick retrieval and puck movement, that's the personnel they have (mostly......looking at you Ben). They don't spend a ton of time in their own end for the most part.

While I agree with much of what you say here, I really don`t see the structure of an intended strong side overload coverage. With such a system, we would typically see more zone coverage with 3 players to the wall, 1 playing off the puck and 1 protecting the slot, and all shading the strong side of the ice. Typically, both D would remain below the circles. The value of this system is to stop teams like you mentioned from getting a cycle going and then crashing the net.

 

[JetsFan815]

Lowry admitted in an interview he was too focused on hitting a certain higher weight between seasons (a few years back) and he lost speed. Then he dropped weight and worked on his skating and quickness the following season.

This has happened to many players now. Off the top of my head:

Morrissey
Ehlers
Lowry
Laine?

Seems like something the training staff needs to get under control.

 

[Eyeseeing]

This has happened to many players now. Off the top of my head:

Morrissey
Ehlers
Lowry
Laine?

Seems like something the training staff needs to get under control.

Why Laine seriously?
We may have unrealistic expectations given his age but he’s not a plug...

 

[JetsFan815]

Since last night's game I've been thinking about the lines. Really like Connor's game with Scheifele and Wheeler. He just keeps it simple and uses his speed to pursue pucks and his offensive instincts to play off of Scheif and Wheeler. Roslo has been a revelation. I think he is going to be a real effective player for us. Also helped Little by being as strong on the boards as he is. Add in MP's non stop puck pursuit you have a really nice second line.

This leaves Laine and Ehlers dropping down, which may not be a bad thing. Just might take a little pressure off them. I say while we have the match up advantage of the home stand lets put them into offensive situations with favourable match ups with Petan as their center. Maybe all 3 start getting their offensive mojo going. Sure would give Petan the opportunity some believe he has never got. That leaves Copp and Armia with whoever is healthy enough to round out the 4th line. IMO this is the best use of our line up until we get Lowry back and he can take back the tough match ups.

C-S-W
P-L-R
E-P-L
X-C-A

I agree with this in principal but I would leave that top-line LW spot relatively open until someone takes the bull by the horns. I think the Jets should rotate whichever one of Connor/Laine/Roslovic is playing the best into that spot. I would also reunite Ehlers with Perreault and Little, they showed that they can take on tough minutes in Lowry/Scheifele's absence. Roslovic can have a game or two on that line but I prefer Ehlers there long term.

I think Roslovic is here to stay with the big club. Unlike guys like Dano, Petan and to some extent even Kyle Connor for that matter, Roslovic is a "Maurice type player"- skates fast, good size,goes into corners, forechecks hard and in his small sample size seems effective on the cycle. Combine that with him putting up the points and the fact that he apparently absolutely destroyed the almighty "beep test" in preseason I can't see him getting sent down. I think at this point the Jets might waive Matthias if they can't trade him to free up a roster spot for Roslovic. He will be a very versatile piece for the Jets if/when(?) they get healthy

Why Laine seriously?
We may have unrealistic expectations given his age but he’s not a plug...

Just basing it on people in this thread speculating that he might have bulked up too much in the off season. Not saying he's a plug or anything

 

[Adam da bomb]

Why Laine seriously?
We may have unrealistic expectations given his age but he’s not a plug...

And Morrissey Ehlers and Lowry are plugs? Pfff. He was just talking about ppl who bulked up too much and lost speed.

 

[surixon]

This has happened to many players now. Off the top of my head:

Morrissey
Ehlers
Lowry
Laine?

Seems like something the training staff needs to get under control.

I think it could also be that these guys where still trying to figure out what works for their body and what doesn't. I have heard too many players talk about how it took them a few years to settle into a training regime that really optimized their results.

 

[Eyeseeing]

And Morrissey Ehlers and Lowry are plugs? Pfff. He was just talking about ppl who bulked up too much and lost speed.

My point is Laine is producing and he has a rather large frame to grow into yet.
He ain’t getting lighter going forward and you don’t want him to.

 

[KingBogo]

I think it could also be that these guys where still trying to figure out what works for their body and what doesn't. I have heard too many players talk about how it took them a few years to settle into a training regime that really optimized their results.

Agreed. And all these guys who maybe over did it did so early in their careers during the off season where there is little parent club supervision. Each was able to dial it back once in camp and get on a good program for their body type. Laine is still in question but no real concerns. Actually speaks how in-tuned the Jets training staff is to their players.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I think it could also be that these guys where still trying to figure out what works for their body and what doesn't. I have heard too many players talk about how it took them a few years to settle into a training regime that really optimized their results.

Training, Nutrition and Supplements are a mutually inclusive trio of tools for athletes success.
You remove any one of those 3 areas which are scientifically sound and the whole thing yields sub standard results.
Wise athletes like Scheifele or Stamkos know that well and they seek out experts to help them achieve maximum results sooner.
Gym rats without expert coaches or sound nutritional advice generally do not reach their maximum potential without having to resort to drugs.

 

[surixon]

Agreed. And all these guys who maybe over did it did so early in their careers during the off season where there is little parent club supervision. Each was able to dial it back once in camp and get on a good program for their body type. Laine is still in question but no real concerns. Actually speaks how in-tuned the Jets training staff is to their players.

Did the Jets also not bring in a new fitness coach somewhere around that summer that JoMo overdid it? Perhaps the old coach emphasized different training regimes and that the organization changed direction after.

 

[KingBogo]

Did the Jets also not bring in a new fitness coach somewhere around that summer that JoMo overdid it? Perhaps the old coach emphasized different training regimes and that the organization changed direction after.

In the summer of 2014 they brought in Dr. Slaunwhite. I remember reading this article on him.

Winnipeg Jets' new way to help players recover a competitive advantage, fitness director says

 

[Eyeseeing]

Did the Jets also not bring in a new fitness coach somewhere around that summer that JoMo overdid it? Perhaps the old coach emphasized different training regimes and that the organization changed direction after.

I saw a feature on the new strength coach it was very cool, 2 years ago?
I’m sure he’s been a big help as our overall conditioning does seem better.
Training is not universal.
Specific individual adaptation training and techniques are required.
Old or new routines do not matter.
Strength,agility ,endurance, muscle fiber typing are a just a few of many individual differences which would necessitate the need for tailor made training regimen for an individual for both in season and off season.
Laine is likely going to be a gorilla in 3 years.
Think 240 with an edge makes one giddy when he runs over whichever poor Dman gets in his way.

 

[Jet]

Petan sucked. God I hope Hendricks isn't hurt or else its Petan AND Dano in... poor Armia having to play with those turds

Myers wasn't as bad as some are saying. I thought he had a good game highlighted by a couple of big gaffes. It's funny that some who were praising Buff when he was doing the exact same thing are raking Myers over the coals. Difference between the two IMO is Myers just fails to execute sometimes and Buffs mistakes come out of laziness or selfishness.

Brighteyes.... man I was frustrated by him earlier in the game for some turnovers and lack of execution man he is a champion. Can't wait to see him in the playoffs!

Helle looks tired to me. We HAVE to find a way to get him some rest.

 

[LowLefty]

Since last night's game I've been thinking about the lines. Really like Connor's game with Scheifele and Wheeler. He just keeps it simple and uses his speed to pursue pucks and his offensive instincts to play off of Scheif and Wheeler. Roslo has been a revelation. I think he is going to be a real effective player for us. Also helped Little by being as strong on the boards as he is. Add in MP's non stop puck pursuit you have a really nice second line.

This leaves Laine and Ehlers dropping down, which may not be a bad thing. Just might take a little pressure off them. I say while we have the match up advantage of the home stand lets put them into offensive situations with favourable match ups with Petan as their center. Maybe all 3 start getting their offensive mojo going. Sure would give Petan the opportunity some believe he has never got. That leaves Copp and Armia with whoever is healthy enough to round out the 4th line. IMO this is the best use of our line up until we get Lowry back and he can take back the tough match ups.

C-S-W
P-L-R
E-P-L
X-C-A

Connor on the top line always made sense - he plays the same game as Wheels and Sheif - and - he can score.
All three of these guys play a really good cycle game and love to score in close, through traffic, with very little space. Conner and Sheif are super quick and both get their shot off in a hurry - they are dangerous.

Also like your second line suggestion if we can go by the 3rd period of the last game - Roz looks like a really good fit with little . Frenchy just makes the line even better - I really hope they keep this line together. This line is quick, tenacious, and can score - and should match up well against any team.

The 3rd would concern me - they don't have much grit between the bunch of them and I can see them getting hemmed in, knocked off the puck and losing board battles - a lot. They would have to move the puck quickly in order to hold the ozone for any length of time.
A center other than Petan would help - a line driver - that's the gap IMO.

A forth with a healthy Lowry along with Armia, Copp/Tanev would be the envy of the league

 

[Jet]

danish greedmonster.

 

[Ducky10]

While I agree with much of what you say here, I really don`t see the structure of an intended strong side overload coverage. With such a system, we would typically see more zone coverage with 3 players to the wall, 1 playing off the puck and 1 protecting the slot, and all shading the strong side of the ice. Typically, both D would remain below the circles. The value of this system is to stop teams like you mentioned from getting a cycle going and then crashing the net.

I meant more that it looks to me like they do that more often this season than last. I think they tend to go m2m after a breakdown occurs, which is understandable. There are times the cycle is going to beat the overload and that tends to throw things into a bit of chaos for any team. From what I've been seeing the Jets seem to be trying to outnumber the puck down low in the corner and along the wall with 3 guys, while having one D play just off the puck and the weak side winger covering the low slot.

Perhaps they just don't do it very well a lot of times. One thing I will say they do a lot better this year is support the puck and provide outlet options, they were very poor at that last year but this season they are so consistent with it, I love watching that part of their game....................except when Myers refuses to move the puck

 

[KingBogo]

Connor on the top line always made sense - he plays the same game as Wheels and Sheif - and - he can score.
Al three of these guys play a really good cycle game and love to score in close, through traffic, with very little space. Conner and Sheif are super quick and both get their shot off in a hurry - they are dangerous.

Also like your second line suggestion if we can go by the 3rd period of the last game - Roz looks like a really good fit with little . Frenchy just makes the line even better - I really hope they keep this line together. This line is quick, tenacious, and can score - and should match up well against any team.

The 3rd would concern me - they don't have much grit between the bunch of them and I can see them getting hemmed in, knocked off the puck and losing board battles - a lot. They would have to move the puck quickly in order to hold the ozone for any length of time.
A center other than Petan would help - a line driver - that's the gap IMO.

A forth with a healthy Lowry along with Armia, Copp/Tanev would be the envy of the league

You may be right, but at home you can put them in favorable situations. And while I've been fairly critical of Petan, I think he has taken another step since his call up. Ehlers is capable of driving a line and I think Petan would be good at finding Patty in the Ozone. Occasionally they might get caught in the Dzone, but they need to be able to handle that if they are to move forward as players.

 

[Eyeseeing]

His Fin loves our Danish Greedmonster

 

[LowLefty]

You may be right, but at home you can put them in favorable situations. And while I've been fairly critical of Petan, I think he has taken another step since his call up. Ehlers is capable of driving a line and I think Petan would be good at finding Patty in the Ozone. Occasionally they might get caught in the Dzone, but they need to be able to handle that if they are to move forward as players.

I don't hate this - It would be worth taking a look at - Petan is playing better and might surprise.
My biggest concern is if it doesn't work out, they look for an answer by start messing with the top 6

 

[KingBogo]

I don't hate this - It would be worth taking a look at - Petan is playing better and might surprise.
My biggest concern is if it doesn't work out, they look for an answer by start messing with the top 6

The top 6 that finished last game will soon be "messed with" no matter what happens. Both Laine and Ehlers will soon find their way back up the lineup, but it would be nice to try to find a way to jump start them in the mean time.

 

[LowLefty]

The top 6 that finished last game will soon be "messed with" no matter what happens. Both Laine and Ehlers will soon find their way back up the lineup, but it would be nice to try to find a way to jump start them in the mean time.

No debating that - but I'm hoping they give that new top 6 look a few games before they pull the plug.
We have a ton of skilled forwards - I'm concerned about it all becoming a perpetual blender. Connor and Roz are now giving the coach a lot of options and a lot to think about.
And if that's all I can find to complain about, it's all good.