Confirmed with Link: Hronek traded to Vancouver for ‘23 1st (NYI) and ‘23 2nd (VAN)

[14ari13]

I still don’t think the Sens make it. Buffalo is the up and coming team I’d bet money on. Chychrun is overrated as well.

The Sens are doing pretty okay considering they are missing their 1C, if I heard it correctly.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

The Sens are doing pretty okay considering they are missing their 1C, if I heard it correctly.

They’re not missing Stutzle. They’re missing Josh Norris who is a good 2C.

 

[Sentinel]

Fine. But just to be clear, Yzerman traded Hronek for future players?, with no one back in return currently. You are suggesting had we won, that Hronek is staying in Detroit?

Yes. Had we won, Hronek is staying in Detroit, and Yzerman is a buyer.

 

[Oddbob]

My problem with this Hronek trade, unless Yzerman is making a bigger move between now and next season to replace him, is that we are getting futures that won't be ready for anywhere up to 1-5 years from now. We also got rid of a legit NHL defender of which we have 2 right now that are actually playing well. Even if Ed and AlJo are up next year they are going to take time and not even guaranteed to be regulars, which means we will be weak on the blueline again, and there aren't many more good D prospects in our system after those 2. That makes it seem like we intend on being even worse next year than this year, which makes the Copp and Perron signings seem weird to me.

If we had traded Hronek for someone Steve and co. like better that is already a good defender I would feel different. There aren't alot of good UFAs on D that will be available and how many good NHL defenders that we might want are actually available?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Yes. Had we won, Hronek is staying in Detroit, and Yzerman is a buyer.

I don’t know man. Even if we win that Vancouver deal is too good to miss Out on.

My problem with this Hronek trade, unless Yzerman is making a bigger move between now and next season to replace him, is that we are getting futures that won't be ready for anywhere up to 1-5 years from now. We also got rid of a legit NHL defender of which we have 2 right now that are actually playing well. Even if Ed and AlJo are up next year they are going to take time and not even guaranteed to be regulars, which means we will be weak on the blueline again, and there aren't many more good D prospects in our system after those 2. That makes it seem like we intend on being even worse next year than this year, which makes the Copp and Perron signings seem weird to me.

If we had traded Hronek for someone Steve and co. like better that is already a good defender I would feel different. There aren't alot of good UFAs on D that will be available and how many good NHL defenders that we might want are actually available?

Just because you don’t see the wheels turning doesn’t mean they aren’t in motion.

We don’t know Yzerman’s next move. We do know that there will be more, and Yzerman has a track record of making more good decisions than bad.

Get off that ledge, man. We’ll be OK.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Johansson is taking one of those spots on the right side, that is happening. As much I was hammering the table that Burger should've made the team out of camp, Johansson is the defensive equivalent. The kid brings smart, consistent, patient, all-round high skill and sound positional play to the table. He's succeed basically at every level he's played at, including the SHL and winning the Championship and all was going well till he was Ben Simon'd. This is a guy whose played against men repeatedly and has thrived. He's just so...smart out there, and you notice him for all the right reasons, so much that he's earned the praise of everyone in the Wings org from Lidstrom on down as being "the guy" - all raving about his potential and smarts.

The knock was he was a waif when we took him (I think like 160 pounds or less?) - but shows him north of 6ft and 185, so sounds like he threw some weight on and is ready to rock. This guy is taking a RD spot, leaving us only 1 to fill for next year.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Yes. Had we won, Hronek is staying in Detroit, and Yzerman is a buyer.

So you think Yzerman made the final decision to trade a 25 year old RFA defenseman who plays 20+ minutes a night for the Wings based on the outcome of 2 games?

It didn't make any sense for the Wings to be buyers unless it was on a deal that would help the team going forward well beyond this season. Which is a pretty rare scenario.

Hronek trade or not, the Wings should be sellers. This team needs more talent.

 

[Oddbob]

I don’t know man. Even if we win that Vancouver deal is too good to miss Out on.



Just because you don’t see the wheels turning doesn’t mean they aren’t in motion.

We don’t know Yzerman’s next move. We do know that there will be more, and Yzerman has a track record of making more good decisions than bad.

Get off that ledge, man. We’ll be OK.

No ledge, lol! I know Yzerman has more planned, just don't love the current future of our blueline. Looking at the upcoming UFA list is very underwhelming. There are like 3 or 4 decent guys, but one of them is Orlov and I imagine the Bruins will have him locked up, or another contender, and I am not sure he would be a target anyway. Dumba may be available but his stats are not great and I have heard lots of Wild fans complain about him in the past.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

No ledge, lol! I know Yzerman has more planned, just don't love the current future of our blueline. Looking at the upcoming UFA list is very underwhelming. There are like 3 or 4 decent guys, but one of them is Orlov and I imagine the Bruins will have him locked up, or another contender, and I am not sure he would be a target anyway. Dumba may be available but his stats are not great and I have heard lots of Wild fans complain about him in the past.

Dumba is fine as the #2 RD. So is Severson.

What the Wings need for the 2nd pair is a solid 2-way guy that’s more dependable in his own zone than Hronek was. The next guy likely isn’t top 20 in Defense scoring like Hronek is, but that’s ok. This team needs to be better defensively.

 

[Oddbob]

Johansson is taking one of those spots on the right side, that is happening. As much I was hammering the table that Burger should've made the team out of camp, Johansson is the defensive equivalent. The kid brings smart, consistent, patient, all-round high skill and sound positional play to the table. He's succeed basically at every level he's played at, including the SHL and winning the Championship and all was going well till he was Ben Simon'd. This is a guy whose played against men repeatedly and has thrived. He's just so...smart out there, and you notice him for all the right reasons, so much that he's earned the praise of everyone in the Wings org from Lidstrom on down as being "the guy" - all raving about his potential and smarts.

The knock was he was a waif when we took him (I think like 160 pounds or less?) - but shows him north of 6ft and 185, so sounds like he threw some weight on and is ready to rock. This guy is taking a RD spot, leaving us only 1 to fill for next year.

He is still going to be a rookie, which means there will be rookie plays and not at all guaranteed he can hang every night. You don't know what he will be at the NHL level because he hasn't made it yet. He may look great in the AHL right now, doesn't make him NHL ready as a full timer.

Defence is hard to learn in the NHL and look how long it has taken Rasmussen a forward for example to carve out a nice role on the team. Seider was the far exception, not the rule.

 

[14ari13]

Something that hasn’t been discussed is how this affects the morale and longer term culture. You can’t help but wonder what message this sends to the guys in the room, right?

Despite the emotional rollercoaster the trip to Ottawa put them through, they remain tied in the standings with the Sens (who are buying for a playoff push). If we’re solely basing whether SY should buy or sell on these past two games, this trade (on paper) is tough to disagree with. Nevertheless, with over 20+ games to play, and 2 wildcard spots up for grab, selling right now feels like a premature throwing in of the towel. Not to mention Fil appeared to be well-liked and a real lockerroom guy.

It’s hard to argue with the return, especially considering the strength of this upcoming draft class. I also understand it’s now or never. However you have to wonder how the players in that room will take this, in both the short and long term. Like… “so do you want us to push for the playoffs still or nah Steve?”

Well I think this is a bad to terrible deal for several reasons, among others you mentioned.

 

[Oddbob]

Dumba is fine as the #2 RD. So is Severson.

What the Wings need for the 2nd pair is a solid 2-way guy that’s more dependable in his own zone than Hronek was. The next guy likely isn’t top 20 in Defense scoring like Hronek is, but that’s ok. This team needs to be better defensively.

If there is one player I absolutely don't want it is Severson. Overpaid, isn't physical and isn't offensive and he isn't really good defensively either. I think he is already overpaid, and that is before he hits UFA. He is likely expecting 5.5-6 or more, and his stats don't look any different than Jensen (just signed for 4.05/p over 3) who plays on a worse team.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

He is still going to be a rookie, which means there will be rookie plays and not at all guaranteed he can hang every night. You don't know what he will be at the NHL level because he hasn't made it yet. He may look great in the AHL right now, doesn't make him NHL ready as a full timer.

Defence is hard to learn in the NHL and look how long it has taken Rasmussen a forward for example to carve out a nice role on the team. Seider was the far exception, not the rule.

I couldn't agree more. Especially for D, it takes a very long time which I why personally, I prize intelligence, poise and patience on the blue line. Coincidentally, that made the Holland Era D Prospects EXTREMELY PAINFUL to watch. AlJo is a smart player. He's not all adrenaline and hyper aggressive, chasing people and pucks. He takes his time, he makes the simple play and doesn't try to force the issue, he makes the right choices and knows when to push the tempo and pace to take advantage and when to sit back and let the game come to him. THAT is very Seider-esque.

Its why in the offseason I wrote that I thought AlJo would get the call before Ed, because he was just that much more polished (despite the obvious differences in their physical talents), because, as you said, defense is hard for rookies.

 

[14ari13]

The Red Wings had not one, but two games where they could have made a statement. They fell flat on their faces, twice, and thus they should not be surprised at the result.

The players are professionals. These aren’t throwaway games out in Rochester, these games matter. If they can’t deal with that reality then they don’t seem like players I would trust to win 16 games in the most brutal, important tournament of the season.

Which 16 games? Are you kidding me? We are like light years away from those 16 games.

Lalonde definitely made a fool of himself. His red hot team got humiliated 2 nights in a row.

 

[GMR]

Maybe the plan is to move Chiarot to the right side. He can't possibly be any worse there, right?

 

[jkutswings]

Dumba is fine as the #2 RD. So is Severson.

What the Wings need for the 2nd pair is a solid 2-way guy that’s more dependable in his own zone than Hronek was. The next guy likely isn’t top 20 in Defense scoring like Hronek is, but that’s ok. This team needs to be better defensively.

No objections...as long as they bring in a first line forward at some point. This team needs to be better at scoring goals as well.

 

[Bench]

It took longer than I thought, but I feel like we kinda knew Hronek wasn't an Yzerman guy. At least not as a building block.

Pretty surprised it still happened at this deadline, but that's because we don't know what the plan is yet. Hronek wasn't on any trade deadline lists that I recall, so I guess we don't really know who is available at all times.

 

[14ari13]

That is where I beg to differ. I do not believe Hronek is an important piece on a playoff competitive team. He has overachieved during a rebuild, but not a cornerstone. Yzerman and Draper are drafting players with grit who can withstand the toll of the playoffs, while also exacting a toll from the other teams players. Hronek is a defensive liability waiting to happen.

I saw that grit last 2 games.

 

[Ricelund]

It took longer than I thought, but I feel like we kinda knew Hronek wasn't an Yzerman guy. At least not as a building block.

Pretty surprised it still happened at this deadline, but that's because we don't know what the plan is yet. Hronek wasn't on any trade deadline lists that I recall, so I guess we don't really know who is available at all times.

Yeah, Hronek never seemed like Yzerman's type of defenseman.

I also don't recall seeing any talk of him being moved at the deadline which goes to show just how much the "insiders" really know.

 

[jkutswings]

I also don't recall seeing any talk of him being moved at the deadline which goes to show just how much the "insiders" really know.

Hmm, now I wanna try something.

I also don't recall seeing any talk of David Pastrnak heading to Detroit this summer...

 

[SirloinUB]

It didn't make any sense for the Wings to be buyers unless it was on a deal that would help the team going forward well beyond this season. Which is a pretty rare scenario.

Hronek trade or not, the Wings should be sellers. This team needs more talent.

I get the need to accumulate pieces for the future, it truly is important, but there is a certain irony in trading 25 year old half point/game dmen because the team needs more talent.

We’ll be lucky to get a comparable player with these picks.

 

[tabness]

Are you f***ing kidding me? 10 years ago I bought a Lidstrom jersey. This year, I told myself I needed a jersey of a current player. So I bought a jersey of my favorite player on the team this past Christmas.

how good are you at sewing? just switch the 1 and 7?

 

[14ari13]

They’re not missing Stutzle. They’re missing Josh Norris who is a good 2C.

I think Daniels said 1C.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I get the need to accumulate pieces for the future, it truly is important, but there is a certain irony in trading 25 year old half point/game dmen because the team needs more talent.

We’ll be lucky to get a comparable player with these picks.

yeah I mean, this was a surprising move. I didn't really see him as a core piece, but I also didn't see Hronek as likely to be moved.

There must be something about Hronek that doesn't fit Yzerman's plan going forward.

 

[14ari13]

I get the need to accumulate pieces for the future, it truly is important, but there is a certain irony in trading 25 year old half point/game dmen because the team needs more talent.

We’ll be lucky to get a comparable player with these picks.

Let's say we get one or even a better one. How long does it take to develop him?