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[RocketKing]

It’s a myth that this is an “old people disease.” You should take a look at the statistics in Italy. It’s not all 60+ year olds on intubators and respirators. Far from from it. Young people are surviving because doctors and ERs are performing wartime triage and choosing who lives and who dies based on likelihood of outcome.

Everyone 50 and under walking around as if they’ll get this and shrug it off like the flu is not attached to reality. Some will, yes, but most healthy adults get significantly ill for upwards of two or more weeks. There are just as many critical cases requiring hospitalization as there are those who shrug it off with barely a fever.

Every leading epidemiologist or health official is saying the same thing: this is roughly 10-15 times worse than a severe flu season in every way. Ten times the deaths, ten times the hospitalization. And that’s ten times the WORST flu season, not the average flu season.

No one will know how this will impact our demographics until it hits saturation. Italy is not that much older than the US. Plus, the US is a much fatter country by far. We already know obesity places significant stress on the lungs and heart, two organs most egregiously impacted by COVID-19.

You can spin the demographic narrative whatever way you wish. The fact remains Italy is not significantly different enough from the US to reasonably infer that the US will magically avoid a similar fate.

I was not attempting to spin anything, simply using data that I have been able to see for how the mortality rate distributes. I am pointing to Death Rates by demographic and additionally there are Key Factors as well that seem to be a big influence. Its really hard to get comparative data between countries but Italy so far is probably best if you break it down since they an open Western Nation unlike China & Iran. But with what we do know so far the overall data we do have for is an aggregate metric that does have allot of value.

As I said, the biggest death threat to the US comes from the lack of ICU bed capacity. I'm not sure you got that. Data says 20% or more are required to be in ICU to be able to survive, so if the group of people needing ICU blossoms above that number then we will have to do exactly what Italy is being forced to do that is to pick who lives and who dies because they dont have that ICU bed capacity to provide that care needed.

There seem to be a few things going on overall from the causes of mortality:
1) the individual mortality that no matter what care you get it kills you which is ~ 1-2%
2) the systemic lack of ICU capacity where this care becomes overrun and people die because of a lack of ability to provide needed care in ICU - very dependent by Country/Location

I am in no way making some claim that this will magically not impact the US in the worst way.

I am trying to apply facts and data that I have seen so far.

 

[RocketKing]

OMG. This is not even political. It's a fact

Do you believe that we had test kits produced in Germany back in January. Yet we didn't try to use them? Now we use them only with ppl that have symptoms.. are you kidding me?

Do you think what he said last week that it's getting better is true? Because we know it's not and this is be a huge disservice to the public.

Why does South Korea test 10k ppl everyday and we have totalled just 11k since the outbreak? Really? This is not how you get ahead of this disease man..

Look, we're all Americans. This is as much for you as it is for me and my family. The fact of the matter is, this guy is incompetent.

You want to hear something political?.. Malarkey!

The first COVID-19 test kits made in the US were ineffective and were not give accurate data for MD's to use to decide upon who gets what treatment.

You fail to address the reason we and other countries couldn't get ahead of this disease, CHINA. They know about this in mid November and hid everything from the world so if you want to talk about why we were behind I would direct you to THAT as the reason for COVID-19. We could have used that valuable time thru real data refinement for this new disease but were not given that by CHINA.

I also recommend a sober compare of Federal Governemnt responses to this as compared to H1N1 and what actions were taken AND WHEN. H1N1 had begun in April 2009 and the Federal Gov declared it to be a National Emergency in Oct 2009 (by Oct it had killed 1000 people). This Federal Government imposed a travel ban to China on Jan 30 which looks like about 2 weeks from when it really began to show up in other countries https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/de...ases-worldwide-2020-03-14_0.png?itok=br5K4Yxc Yesterday it became a National Emergency (by this time it had killed around 40).

Do either of those Federal Government responses seem better than the other? Forget the names just deal with the facts.

 

[BamBam1031]

Oh brother. Get over it.

No. I have no tolerance for people that put politics over everything. No one should, including you.

 

[KINGS17]

Blood plasma taken from the blood of people who have recovered from the disease will contain antibodies that will help treat those who contract it. This kind of treatment was used with some success against the Spanish flu. This is not a vaccine. A vaccine may be difficult to produce, because not enough is known about the virus. A vaccine essentially teaches your body how to make antibodies to fight the disease. Antibody therapy using the blood plasma from people who already have recovered from the disease is putting antibodies into an infected person that are already designed by someone else's immune system to kill the coronavirus.

So, if you test positive and didn't even get any symptoms as some have, or you developed symptoms and made a full recovery, your blood plasma may save lives.

Treating coronavirus: How blood plasma from recovered patients may help

 

[The Tikkanen]

Does anybody on here know somebody who knows somebody who has tested positive for this? I don't.

 

[KINGS17]

Does anybody on here know somebody who knows somebody who has tested positive for this? I don't.

Me neither, but I am sure there are thousands of people who have it and don't even know it.

 

[ricardfromage]

I was in Walmart yesterday and picked up a case of Corona.

(too soon?)

I heard a corona virus joke today

You won't get it.

Sad.....very sad what makes me laugh.

 

[Bandit]

The first COVID-19 test kits made in the US were ineffective and were not give accurate data for MD's to use to decide upon who gets what treatment.

You fail to address the reason we and other countries couldn't get ahead of this disease, CHINA. They know about this in mid November and hid everything from the world so if you want to talk about why we were behind I would direct you to THAT as the reason for COVID-19. We could have used that valuable time thru real data refinement for this new disease but were not given that by CHINA.

I also recommend a sober compare of Federal Governemnt responses to this as compared to H1N1 and what actions were taken AND WHEN. H1N1 had begun in April 2009 and the Federal Gov declared it to be a National Emergency in Oct 2009 (by Oct it had killed 1000 people). This Federal Government imposed a travel ban to China on Jan 30 which looks like about 2 weeks from when it really began to show up in other countries https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/de...ases-worldwide-2020-03-14_0.png?itok=br5K4Yxc Yesterday it became a National Emergency (by this time it had killed around 40).

Do either of those Federal Government responses seem better than the other? Forget the names just deal with the facts.

China didn’t hide shit about this from us, that’s a cop out. I knew about this virus in November through a guy on my team who is Chinese, and I work for a private sector ad tech company. Certainly the government has better intelligence contacts than I do.

 

[ricardfromage]

Oh brother. Get over it.

Yeah, get over the fact that politicizing disease is disgusting.

Ugh.

 

[Bandit]

Opinion: Trump is incompetent.
Fact: Your posts are political.
Fact: It is against forum rules to shoehorn in discussions of a political nature.
Fact: You have broken this rule repeatedly.
Opinion: TDS is counter-productive.
Opinion: Anyone that uses COVID-19 to score political points is a disgusting human being.

See the difference?

Fact: The Trump administration dismantled the National Security Council’s global-health office, whose purpose was to address global pandemics
Fact: Trump claimed the virus was contained when it was spreading
Fact: He claimed that testing was available when it wasn’t and still isn't
Fact: He claimed that the virus will one day disappear “like a miracle”
Fact: He claimed that a vaccine would be available in months when it's likely not to be available for a year or more
Fact: Trump openly admitted that his preferred to keep a cruise ship from docking, because he wanted to keep the number of reported cases artificially low.
Fact: Trump stated "I don't take any responsibility". Great leadership there buddy.

Edit:

Fact: He misstated his own administrations policies on closing the borders in his address to the nation further heightening panic.

Now I dunno what it takes for someone to qualify as incompetent and self serving, but that's a pretty piss poor list of facts if you're trying to claim otherwise. Is he to blame for this whole thing? Of course not, but he's had PLENTY of bad looks on this one.

 

[jfont]

Yeah, get over the fact that politicizing disease is disgusting.

Ugh.

This is not politicizing.. this is about competence and that is in short supply in the current white house

 

[jfont]

Fact: The Trump administration dismantled the National Security Council’s global-health office, whose purpose was to address global pandemics
Fact: Trump claimed the virus was contained when it was spreading
Fact: He claimed that testing was available when it wasn’t and still isn't
Fact: He claimed that the virus will one day disappear “like a miracle”
Fact: He claimed that a vaccine would be available in months when it's likely not to be available for a year or more
Fact: Trump openly admitted that his preferred to keep a cruise ship from docking, because he wanted to keep the number of reported cases artificially low.
Fact: Trump stated "I don't take any responsibility". Great leadership there buddy.

Edit:

Fact: He misstated his own administrations policies on closing the borders in his address to the nation further heightening panic.

Now I dunno what it takes for someone to qualify as incompetent and self serving, but that's a pretty piss poor list of facts if you're trying to claim otherwise. Is he to blame for this whole thing? Of course not, but he's had PLENTY of bad looks on this one.

This..

You got to be either blind or too partisan to see the difference

 

[BallPointHammer]

This is actually the best thing that could have happened to the Kings seeing how if we finished the season we would have won like 20 straight and ended up with like the #15 pick. This keeps them low enough to still get a top 5 pick and we end the season on a winning streak that will bring confidence into next season.

Best of both worlds, hockey wise.

 

[HeadInjury]

Italy with 175 deaths today, down from 250 yesterday. Perhaps starting a downward trend, perhaps not.

There's videos of Italian communities signing together from their windows, while in lock down. Very touching.

 

[BallPointHammer]

“Infections” don’t mean “actively sick.” If there are 100,000 infections currently in Ohio, these 100,000 recently infected people won’t start becoming really ill for another 1-2 weeks. The incubation period is often two weeks or more.

This is exactly why every major health official or virologist is predicting a massive spike in hospitalizations approximately 7-10 days from now.

To be frank, I think anyone focusing on a toilet paper shortage instead of the monumental health crisis right in front of us is still engaging in light denialism. Running low on toiletries is so infinitesimally small of a crisis compared to the looming spike of critical cases and deaths.

And people don't have phone books anymore because of smart phones, internet, etc. Technology giveth and taketh.

 

[ricardfromage]

This is not politicizing.. this is about competence and that is in short supply in the current white house

Wait, Obama isn't in office anymore, is he? I thought orange man bad was in charge. I must be mistaken.

 

[jfont]

*yawn*

 

[redcard]

This would have never happened under Lombardi.

 

[KINGS17]

This would have never happened under Lombardi.

The man had a plan for everything. See what happens when Luc is in charge.

 

[RocketKing]

China didn’t hide shit about this from us, that’s a cop out. I knew about this virus in November through a guy on my team who is Chinese, and I work for a private sector ad tech company. Certainly the government has better intelligence contacts than I do.

China hid more shit than anyone knows. We still do not have any clue about the real facts and data to be able to understand the Wuhan Flu, real hard data not Propaganda bullshit. Yeah we know there was something going on but the completely made secret the facts. Medical facts that Drs can use to make decisions about. We don't know where it really started or how because they are not sharing any of that. They wouldn't even let their own Drs discuss it or tell their own citizens about it. They threatened the Dr who began talking about it and made him retract his statements to shut up until he finally died from it. Reporta that in Wuhan crematorium alone they were running their ovens 24/7 with 1200 per day being cremated - so we have zero actual clue about the real number of deaths there. IMO its not out of the realm of possibility that's its a bio-weapon that got out of their lab somehow.

If you don't believe this then you aren't reviewing the real facts.

China hid the severity of its coronavirus outbreak and muzzled whistleblowers — because it can

Coronavirus Death Smog: Is China Burning Thousands of Infected Bodies?

As of January 28 we still hadn't been allowed to have a US Expert Medical Team inside their country to get facts and help. Out top Government Medical Leaders had to operate blind from any facts as they worked thru what to do based on what we could tell from the little we had as far as facts & data. Fvck China to hell, they could have helped up prevent it here and they didn't.

The U.S. is trying to get front-line public health experts into China so the new, fast-moving pathogen can be better understood. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said he has repeatedly raised that possibility with Chinese officials for weeks and is hopeful a U.S. team will be let in.

U.S. Widens Virus Travel Scans, Seeks Entry to Outbreak Zone

 

[KingLB]

Dude who calls it the Wuhan flu educating others on propaganda lolololol!

Any other lines Rush/Hannity want you to push?

 

[ricardfromage]

China hid more shit than anyone knows. We still do not have any clue about the real facts and data to be able to understand the Wuhan Flu, real hard data not Propaganda bullshit. Yeah we know there was something going on but the completely made secret the facts. Medical facts that Drs can use to make decisions about. We don't know where it really started or how because they are not sharing any of that. They wouldn't even let their own Drs discuss it or tell their own citizens about it. They threatened the Dr who began talking about it and made him retract his statements to shut up until he finally died from it. Reporta that in Wuhan crematorium alone they were running their ovens 24/7 with 1200 per day being cremated - so we have zero actual clue about the real number of deaths there. IMO its not out of the realm of possibility that's its a bio-weapon that got out of their lab somehow.

If you don't believe this then you aren't reviewing the real facts.

China hid the severity of its coronavirus outbreak and muzzled whistleblowers — because it can

Coronavirus Death Smog: Is China Burning Thousands of Infected Bodies?

As of January 28 we still hadn't been allowed to have a US Expert Medical Team inside their country to get facts and help. Out top Government Medical Leaders had to operate blind from any facts as they worked thru what to do based on what we could tell from the little we had as far as facts & data. Fvck China to hell, they could have helped up prevent it here and they didn't.

The U.S. is trying to get front-line public health experts into China so the new, fast-moving pathogen can be better understood. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said he has repeatedly raised that possibility with Chinese officials for weeks and is hopeful a U.S. team will be let in.

U.S. Widens Virus Travel Scans, Seeks Entry to Outbreak Zone

Quoted for speaking the truth.

Starting with me I think the political aspects of this thread will only end up in tears so it is time to stop.

(too soon again?)

 

[RocketKing]

This is not politicizing.. this is about competence and that is in short supply in the current white house

Competence eh, how about answering this question:

Was Obama incompetent when he waited 4 moths to formally act with H1N1 from when the WHO Pandemic issued no June 11 2009 -
after 1000 Americans had already died?

While you say that Trump is incompetent after he enacted a National Emergency within weeks acted within weeks of the WHO issuing an Emergency Notice on March 12 after 40 American had died?

I never heard any of that back then and this Administration moved within days not months.

You're being politically motivated and you can't or wont admit it.

 

[HeadInjury]

Can't we just agree that all politicians suck?

Trying to find some common ground here.

 

[Herby]

Dude who calls it the Wuhan flu educating others on propaganda lolololol!

Any other lines Rush/Hannity want you to push?

This makes absolutely zero sense. You realize that diseases are commonly referred to by where they came from or were suspected of coming from? If Ebola hits next year will Chris Hayes say its racist to call it that? Even though it’s called that because it was discovered near the Ebola river

This is just such an insane and typical lame reach to just make literally everything and everyone racist. MSNBC and CNN regularly called it the Wuhan virus until the pundits on those networks like Hayes decided to add it to the “That’s Racist” lineup.