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[jfont]

For those that think it's ok to call it the China or Chinese virus..

 

[tny760]

and here we goooooooooooooo

 

[ibleedkings]

For those that think it's ok to call it the China or Chinese virus..

Go take that nonsense somewhere else. Complete crock of ****.

 

[jfont]

Oh triggered by the truth?

 

[KINGS17]

In 1918, they shut down large activties but they didnt shut down life. If there was a hotspot, they required people to wear masks. I can guarentee you when this is all over even if it ends tomorrow there will be 10s of thousands of small businesses that will never open their doors. I can speak from experience because just because I own an essential business, I am teetering on almost losing it all, automotive repair shop if you must know. The purpose of bending the curve was to not overwhelm the medical infrastructure. Well guess what, congratulations we did it. I have a few friends that are doctors at the local hospital that are being made to take PTO and there are 12 cases in the ICU. The rest of the hospital is only using 20% of its capacity. You have Garcetti asking citizens to snitch on their fellow citizens if non essential businesses are operating. I mean if it isn't clear to you that this is starting to get out of bounds I don't know what else to say. Yes we must obviously care for our fellow citizens, however the only way to achieve herd immunity is to get around other people. We can not wait on an inoculation because one may never come. Anyhow that's my two cents.

Hang in there man. Hope you make it.

Take heart almost all states are allowing stay-at-home orders to expire by the end of April or early May. Some states such as Iowa, Kentucky, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming never issued such an order.

Texas has indicated the state will resume elective surgeries in their hospitals on April 22, if certain conditions are met.

California, New Jersey, Oregon, Alaska, Maryland, and West Virginia are the only states which have indefinite stay-at-home orders. Given the number of cases in California and the specific locations of most of those cases, the pressure will be on Governor Newsom to act soon to lift the stay-at-home order for many counties in California.

There will continue to be "social distancing", but work is going to resume sooner rather than later in my opinion.

US states with tentative re-opening dates | Daily Mail Online

 

[Bandit]

I guess my question regarding the whole “Chinese virus” thing is regardless of how you feel about it, if you know it upsets people and especially if you know that it’s emblazoning certain whackos to commit hate crimes against Asians, why keep saying it? It has two other names that are widely understood, why not use one of those and be done with it?

You wouldn’t go around blowing cigarette smoke into the faces of non smokers just to piss them off would you? If your woman told you she really hates when you call her tits “chesticles” you wouldn’t keep doing it would you? Just seems like we’ve lost the ability to just be cool with each other without blowing it out into some civil rights problem.

 

[KINGS17]

I guess my question regarding the whole “Chinese virus” thing is regardless of how you feel about it, if you know it upsets people and especially if you know that it’s emblazoning certain whackos to commit hate crimes against Asians, why keep saying it? It has two other names that are widely understood, why not use one of those and be done with it?

You wouldn’t go around blowing cigarette smoke into the faces of non smokers just to piss them off would you? If your woman told you she really hates when you call her tits “chesticles” you wouldn’t keep doing it would you? Just seems like we’ve lost the ability to just be cool with each other without blowing it out into some civil rights problem.

As Saul Alinsky noted in his writing language matters. Alinsky believed he who controlled the language and defined the vocabulary controlled the debate. I have no problem calling the virus by any of the names it goes by as I know what it is and where it originated. If the media wants to call it COVID-19 or coronavirus, but they are diligent and accurately reporting the origin of the virus, and some of the questions surrounding the lab in Wuhan then fine. It's when members of the media call someone a racist or label a term as racist where I have a problem. Their remarks regarding terminology not involving a racial slur is nothing more than their opinion.

It is the media's responsibility to inform the American public regarding the facts, so they can make up their own minds. Don't tell us what to think, just give us the facts, because supposedly we should have already learned how to think during our time in the educational system.

Your right to free speech does not end when someone gets offended.

 

[HookKing]

Oh triggered by the truth?

Here's some more truth:

West Nile Virus
Guinea Worm
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Lyme Disease
Ross River Fever
Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever
Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever
Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)
Valley Fever
Marburg Virus Disease
Norovirus
Zika Fever
Japanese Encephalitis
German Measles
Spanish Flu
Lassa Fever
Legionnaire’s Disease.

See how that works?

I actually prefer Wuhan so all the people out there on ventilators or have lost jobs and businesses will know exactly where it came from and should have been stopped in its tracks.

 

[KINGS17]

Things are going to get heated, but I hope every American can agree on a few points:

• Patient zero must be identified.
• How patient zero contracted COVID-19 must be understood
• If the lab in Wuhan is involved, and even if it isn't, the research practices in that lab must be understood.
• The response of WHO to this virus must be examined, including whether on not they used all information available to them (Taiwan indicating person-to-person transmission is possible)

 

[KINGS17]

Some NHL related economics here. Oil is under $10/barrel, and the Canadian dollar is roughly at a 5-year low. Oil futures going out 3-years or so are only at $30/barrel. You can be sure large consumers of oil are filling their reserves and gobbling up the futures. There will probably be a glut of low cost oil on the market for quite some time going forward. This is not good news for a number of industries, including the NHLPA as it impacts the salary cap.

 

[King'sPawn]

As Saul Alinsky noted in his writing language matters. Alinsky believed he who controlled the language and defined the vocabulary controlled the debate. I have no problem calling the virus by any of the names it goes by as I know what it is and where it originated. If the media wants to call it COVID-19 or coronavirus, but they are diligent and accurately reporting the origin of the virus, and some of the questions surrounding the lab in Wuhan then fine. It's when members of the media call someone a racist or label a term as racist where I have a problem. Their remarks regarding terminology not involving a racial slur is nothing more than their opinion.

It is the media's responsibility to inform the American public regarding the facts, so they can make up their own minds. Don't tell us what to think, just give us the facts, because supposedly we should have already learned how to think during our time in the educational system.

Your right to free speech does not end when someone gets offended.

I think what Bandit is alluding to, though, is that there's a difference in saying "COVID-19, which originated in China" is vastly different than saying "Chinese virus" which by default alienates/blames a subset of people.

Like it or not, there are many people who call it the Chinese virus with xenophobic intentions. You may not be racist, but why are you opting to use the term with a racial subtext instead of an equally accurate and more specific name?

 

[KINGS17]

I think what Bandit is alluding to, though, is that there's a difference in saying "COVID-19, which originated in China" is vastly different than saying "Chinese virus" which by default alienates/blames a subset of people.

Like it or not, there are many people who call it the Chinese virus with xenophobic intentions. You may not be racist, but why are you opting to use the term with a racial subtext instead of an equally accurate and more specific name?

When I think of Chinese virus, I think of the Chinese government, but that's just me. Like it or not, there are people who call the use of "Chinese Virus" racism who do so with political overtones. I trust my own judgment to determine how it is being used and the context. Free speech has no bounds. If certain types of speech are not used frequently, then the terminology will eventually settle down to a common phrase.

 

[kingsboy11]

I have an idea. Why don't we call the virus by its official names like Coronavirus or Covid-19? It crazy, but it just might work.

 

[tny760]

Some NHL related economics here. Oil is under $10/barrel, and the Canadian dollar is roughly at a 5-year low. Oil futures going out 3-years or so are only at $30/barrel. You can be sure large consumers of oil are filling their reserves and gobbling up the futures. There will probably be a glut of low cost oil on the market for quite some time going forward. This is not good news for a number of industries, including the NHLPA as it impacts the salary cap.

not necessarily sure that's a good thing overall but it's tough to complain about lower gas prices given how artificially high they're been for so long. oil industry is gonna slow to a crawl and that's a lot of people out of jobs

i think we're close enough to resolving this coronavirus crap that it might not be too painful long term but may-june is gonna be painful for the oil industry in NA

 

[Fatass]

not necessarily sure that's a good thing overall but it's tough to complain about lower gas prices given how artificially high they're been for so long. oil industry is gonna slow to a crawl and that's a lot of people out of jobs

i think we're close enough to resolving this coronavirus crap that it might not be too painful long term but may-june is gonna be painful for the oil industry in NA

When the league gets playing again, I wonder which cities will be the locations for games?

 

[Reaper45]

Chinese
Originated
Virus
Identified
December of
19

Calling it the Chinese Virus is like saying the German Measles. Any reasonable human being is going to acknowledge that it originated in China or Germany and has nothing to do with the actual group of people. Is it racist to identify the group of diseases that have recently originated in China (SARS, H1N1 and Covid-19) as Chinese in origin?

 

[Reaper45]

Chinese
Originated
Virus
Identified
December of
19

Calling it the Chinese Virus is like saying the German Measles. Any reasonable human being is going to acknowledge that it originated in China or Germany and has nothing to do with the actual group of people. Is it racist to identify the group of diseases that have recently originated in China (SARS, H1N1 and Covid-19) as Chinese in origin?

 

[KingsFan7824]

For those that think it's ok to call it the China or Chinese virus..

I get what she's saying, but those are terrible analogies. Talking about a global virus that has shut down multiple economies across the world and how the Chinese people shouldn't be blamed, and then you bring in Nickelback, t-shirts, and a lone US Senator. It's not even funny. We're still doing Nickelback jokes?

There's a reason they've increasingly tried to go to more general names for these medical situations, but it seems like you could compare it to something better than a horrible line of t-shirts.

 

[tny760]

Chinese
Originated
Virus
Identified
December of
19

Calling it the Chinese Virus is like saying the German Measles. Any reasonable human being is going to acknowledge that it originated in China or Germany and has nothing to do with the actual group of people. Is it racist to identify the group of diseases that have recently originated in China (SARS, H1N1 and Covid-19) as Chinese in origin?

i mean that's not actually what the abbreviation stands for but i'm not disagreeing

personally i wish they would have kept the SARS designation in the name instead of calling it this cutesy covid thing, maybe people would've taken it more seriously with the historical connotation of SARS

 

[Reaper45]

i mean that's not actually what the abbreviation stands for but i'm not disagreeing

personally i wish they would have kept the SARS designation in the name instead of calling it this cutesy covid thing, maybe people would've taken it more seriously with the historical connotation of SARS

Oh I know it's not. But it works.

 

[Herby]

For those that think it's ok to call it the China or Chinese virus..

So do you also object to the naming of MERS and Ebola too? How about Lyme Disease? Funny how no one thought it was racist to call it the Chinese virus until clowns like Chris Hayes and Brian Stelter used it as yet another reason to attack the president as a racist. Check it yourself, their own networks were referring to it as the Wuhan or Chinese virus in January.

Let me guess the Chinese travel ban was also racist, right? Just like the “Muslim” ban which didn’t even include the most populous Muslim country in the world.

Embarrassing.

 

[King'sPawn]

When I think of Chinese virus, I think of the Chinese government, but that's just me. Like it or not, there are people who call the use of "Chinese Virus" racism who do so with political overtones. I trust my own judgment to determine how it is being used and the context. Free speech has no bounds. If certain types of speech are not used frequently, then the terminology will eventually settle down to a common phrase.

The difference is, I'm not complaining about being mistaken for having political overtones. You don't want to be called a racist, yet you use the language hate mongering racists use. You may have other meanings, but at this point, with other accepted and more accurate names (since other viruses have originated out of China in the history of humanity, which Chinese virus are you speaking of?) You know what calling it "Chinese virus" implies.

This isn't sbout free speech, and you know it.

 

[ricardfromage]

For those that think it's ok to call it the China or Chinese virus..

It is the China Virus as it was created in a lab in Wuhan China. Just a simple statement of fact. To imply that ANYONE is racist because of their opinion on where anything originates from is the very definition of racism.

I ride a motorcycle called an Italjet that is made in Italy, is that racist? I watched a movie called "Tokyo Drift", was it racist? I like Lewis Black, is his name racist? I listen to the White Stripes, racist? I eat at a Mexican Restaurant, I owned a British bulldog etc. Now sure there are a bunch of absolute stretches and some very nonsensical bits in what I have just written but the point remains. I not only don't believe in racism I would put my life on the line to prevent it. I would and have fought along side of men and women to defend the rights of everyone to be an American and possess their own understanding of what the phrase "the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" means to them and how they can express those beliefs. Agree with me or not we are all equal under the law and in the eyes of god. Period. The fact that saying that something comes from someplace is racist is about as ignorant a statement as I have ever heard. I don't blame the Chinese people for what their govt is up to and pray that the rest of the world doesn't blame all Americans for what the previous versions of our govt was up to either. It is technically accurate to call the Chinese virus what it is. Simple statement of fact.

Meriweb:
COVID-19

noun
\ ˈkō-vid-nīn-ˈtēn \
Definition of COVID-19
: a mild to severe respiratory illness that is caused by a coronavirus (Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 of the genus Betacoronavirus), is transmitted chiefly by contact with infectious material (such as respiratory droplets), and is characterized especially by fever, cough, and shortness of breath and may progress to pneumonia and respiratory failure.

NOTE: COVID-19 was first identified in Wuhan, China in December 2019.

An infectious and deadly coronavirus that has killed thousands in China has spread to at least 44 countries, stirring fears that COVID-19 may soon become a pandemic.— Darryl CooteAs the number of confirmed global cases of COVID-19 continues to climb, analysts are beginning to forecast that the impact of the epidemic will stretch into the second quarter of 2020, which will likely impact the earnings of companies …— Georgia Williams
— called also coronavirus disease 2019
— see SARS-COV-2

 

[tny760]

WTI crude sub-$5 now

brutal

 

[KINGS17]

The difference is, I'm not complaining about being mistaken for having political overtones. You don't want to be called a racist, yet you use the language hate mongering racists use. You may have other meanings, but at this point, with other accepted and more accurate names (since other viruses have originated out of China in the history of humanity, which Chinese virus are you speaking of?) You know what calling it "Chinese virus" implies.

This isn't sbout free speech, and you know it.

Honestly, I don't believe most people care about being called a racist any longer. The term has been overused and abused in attempts to score political points. Asians in Taiwan and South Korean were calling COVID-19 the Wuhan Flu. Are they racists?

It is about free speech, because even speech which has racist overtones is allowed our country. You allow people to speak freely so you know what they support. You are free to like or dislike their views, but you are not free to restrict their speech.