How Much Better Than Nylander Is Marner?

[Trapper]

How does an 11 million dollar player not score a PP goal all year? Like one at the very least?

 

[Gabriel426]

How does an 11 million dollar player not score a PP goal all year? Like one at the very least?

Bc his team had not been scoring PP goals, lol.

 

[Trapper]

Bc his team had not been scoring PP goals, lol.

He’s not allowed to score them?

 

[Gabriel426]

He’s not allowed to score them?

Pretty sure he is allowed but he just can’t bc his shot sucks

 

[yubbers]

Wow you’d figure 5 goals in 7 games would silence even the harshest critics

He should feast on weaker teams. So it against done team teams andv we'll talk. He was also useless in game 7. I don't see why any of them deserve any praise.

 

[yubbers]

Who would win in a hockey fight Marner or Nylander?

actual footage of this in the locker room

 

[All Mod Cons]

Not at all. But he's Canadian.

 

[Dreakmur]

Not at all. But he's Canadian.

They're both Canadian.

 

[Racer88]

How does an 11 million dollar player not score a PP goal all year? Like one at the very least?

The short answer is he is not an 11 million dollar player in any of the know universe
Because he is all regular season razzle dazzle and has no onions for the playoffs when the going gets tough

 

[Its not your fault]

I made a reply to a post about Nylander.

Marner did do the same thing twice. Marner’s play in the series should not be the measurement. Matthews was marginally better than Marner, and people using that a measurement are giving Matthews a pass instead of measuring Matthews bs himself, to which he didn’t come anywhere near playing to his standards and abilities himself.

If Marner was the measurement, everyone gets a pass.

Leaving them out for 3 to 4 minutes was mind blowing. Marner doesn't have an NHL shot Mathews got double teamed because of it.

 

[Its not your fault]

actual footage of this in the locker room

And this post misses its mark like you have. Nylander has Drive.

 

[ZEBROA]

He should feast on weaker teams. So it against done team teams andv we'll talk. He was also useless in game 7. I don't see why any of them deserve any praise.

Didnt he score the only goal? If Nylander score 5g a serie i expect at least 7-8 goals from Matthews and 10p from Marner (9 assist 1G). Nylander should never be the highest scorer, not paid for that. And he should damn well be appreciated for scoring goals when nobody else do. He cant win games all on his own. The 11mil masterminds can. Are at least paid to be able to.

With a great salary comes a great... Car? House? Golf resort?

 

[Craig Button]

Man are fans Pejorative Slured

 

[Mitch Matthews]

One of Marner's biggest problem is that he's weak on his skates. During the non contact regular season it's not much of a problem. Come playoff time it becomes a big problem

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Marner will have a rough time these days during these types of discussions because of the expectations that come with his cap hit. He's expected to be a top 5 winger out on the ice every second of icetime that he gets, and so a performance during the post season where he was fine to decent even ends up as a perceived negative due to the expectations set by that contract. He was fantastic defensively against the Habs, but that's not why he makes almost 11 mil aav (he makes that because he's expected to find a way to produce offense at a rate that's much higher than the other skaters on the ice).

Nylander on the other hand is paid to produce like a 1st liner, and so the on ice expectations vs salary/contract are lower (as they should be).

Marner has been taking a lot of criticism lately, and some of it is probably unfair, but ultimately he's got to find a way to perform at the level that's expected of him when it counts.

Well that's the whole point. I don't see Sebastian Aho or Brayden Point or Mikko Rantanen disappearing when the going gets tough. These are the players who have been compared to Marner and have been ranked decidedly lower by TML fans. Yet I would take any of them over Mitch at this point. September 13, 2019: we all knew how this could end up. Maybe, just maybe, the people who said Marner's stats are inflated, he is not as good as he is made out to be, and is closer to Nylander than he is to Matthews had a point.

As for him being defensively good - he was matched against the least potent top line in the playoffs. For a guy that's expected to go head to head with the best of them, it shouldn't be a big achievement.

 

[socko]

He's expected to be a top 5 winger out on the ice every second of icetime that he gets

Not by me, he's not. Which is why I would have never paid him anywhere close to $11 million. That is Dubas's evaluation of him, yes I agree. I think pigs will fly before Marner will be worth that contract.

 

[redgrant]

Chicago has been a bottom dweller ever since giving a winger over $10 million

The problem is they gave a certain centre 10m. Their winger has earned his 10m.

 

[axlrose87]

Why on earth are you hating against Nylander? He was our best player
He looked completely poised vs the habs .. had 8p in 7 games and is a 65 point winger making 6.9 mill a year. He's doing what he gets paid to do and is 100% worth his cap.

I expect nobody else but Matthews and JT to lead this team.

I don’t hate the guy. I just don’t think he will be a guy we can rely on when the chips are down either. I really don’t think we have many of those guys.
We act as if Nylander was some kind of revelation but, deep down, we know he is the king of the flybys and is rarely willing to physically engage.
We have just gotten use to completely soulless players on this team. Because he is slightly better, we think he is a “playoff performer” now.
I appreciate his talents but I would gladly see him traded for the tkachuck, Wilson, kadri types. At least those players play with passion..... but we have 4th liners for that

 

[Clark4Ever]

He's not better. He's a better playmaker perhaps, but Nylander is better in every other facet of the game, period.

 

[Nylanderthal]

And Matthews should be signed to 8 years. Not sure who’s idea it was to let a rookie GM handle negotiations

Only mcdavid and eichel signed 8 year deals. The industry standard for elite elc players is 5/6 years. Tired of this lazy narrative

 

[Nylanderthal]

Should have been:

Nylander - $6m x 8 years
Marner - $8m x 8 years
Matthews - $10m x 8 years

No NMC / NTC etc when eligible

No signing bonuses

Why would any of them of signed those deals? Those are all under value

 

[sparxx87]

Only mcdavid and eichel signed 8 year deals. The industry standard for elite elc players is 5/6 years. Tired of this lazy narrative

Who cares about industry standard? If you want to be top of your industry, you need to be better than the standard.

I don’t think Tampa Bay is concerned about industry standard. They have specific parameters that make sense for their group, and are willing to let someone like Stamkos test the open market if he isn’t committed to fitting within. He ultimately decided to stay, but they were prepared to let him walk if he wanted more than what they believe made sense for them.

And he was a UFA. Leafs had 3 RFA’s and all the leverage.

 

[socko]

Only mcdavid and eichel signed 8 year deals. The industry standard for elite elc players is 5/6 years. Tired of this lazy narrative

If you don't sign for the same number of years, then you don't get to use them as a comparable for the average cap hit either. Basically, no matter how you look at it, Dubas's contracts are disgusting. Rantanen purposely waited out Marner and still got nothing like him even though he's a better player. But I'm sure he got more than he otherwise would have, the Dubas bonus if you will. But Colorado wasn't going to go full Dubas and I'm sure they made that clear.

 

[sparxx87]

Why would any of them of signed those deals? Those are all under value

Why would Brayden Point sign his deal after a 40+ goal 90+ point season? And as a Selke caliber centreman?

3 years @ 6.75M per.

 

[socko]

Why would Brayden Point sign his deal after a 40+ goal 90+ point season? And as a Selke caliber centreman?

3 years @ 6.75M per.

A bridge deal is usually when you have something to prove, and Point has nothing to prove, he's an elite player. I think he just caved. That's incredible value for the Lightning.