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How many 60 goal seasons will Auston Matthews put up in his career?

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60 goals while playing for the Leafs has never been done in the 100+ year history of the NHL. I think it's safe to say that this is the moment Matthews made the Hall of fame! :nod:
 
Crazy that it's been done 40 times yet this is only the 14th time that didn't fall between 1980-1993:

76 - Phil Esposito, Boston, 1970-71

69 - Mario Lemieux, Pittsburgh, 1995-96

69 - Mike Bossy, N.Y. Islanders, 1978-79

68 - Phil Esposito, Boston, 1973-74

66 - Phil Esposito, Boston, 1971-72

65 - Alex Ovechkin, Washington, 2007-08

62 - Jaromir Jagr, Pittsburgh, 1995-96

61 - Phil Esposito, Boston, 1974-75

61 - Reggie Leach, Philadelphia, 1975-76

60 - Auston Matthews, Toronto, 2021-22

60 - Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay, 2011-2012

60 - Pavel Bure, Vancouver, 1993-94

60 - Guy Lafleur, Montreal, 1977-78

60 - Steve Shutt, Montreal, 1976-77
 
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Rants Mulliniks said:
Crazy that it's been done 40 times yet this is only the 14th time that didn't fall between 1980-1993:

76 - Phil Esposito, Boston, 1970-71

69 - Mario Lemieux, Pittsburgh, 1995-96

69 - Mike Bossy, N.Y. Islanders, 1978-79

68 - Phil Esposito, Boston, 1973-74

66 - Phil Esposito, Boston, 1971-72

65 - Alex Ovechkin, Washington, 2007-08

62 - Jaromir Jagr, Pittsburgh, 1995-96

61 - Phil Esposito, Boston, 1974-75

61 - Reggie Leach, Philadelphia, 1975-76

60 - Auston Matthews, Toronto, 2021-22

60 - Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay, 2011-2012

60 - Pavel Bure, Vancouver, 1993-94

60 - Guy Lafleur, Montreal, 1977-78

60 - Steve Shutt, Montreal, 1976-77
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That really puts things into context. For comparison’s sake, 90 players have scored 120 points.

Historically, it’s been much harder to score 60 goals than 120 points, and we all see 120 points as impressive.
 
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That really puts things into context. For comparison’s sake, 90 players have scored 120 points.

Historically, it’s been much harder to score 60 goals than 120 points, and we all see 120 points as impressive.
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Any time you look at big offense numbers, it is remarkable how much the field shrinks when you remove that era.

Not to take away from guys like Gretz who are great in any era, it's just that it really stands out from a data perspective.

Interesting point too on goals versus points.
 
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I am going to say just this one. We just saw how hard it is to get 60. You need great health, and no prolonged scoring slumps. He just got it in game 81 for his team. Could have easily fell just short.
 
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Tremendous season from Matthews. Probably wins the Hart. I don't know if I would trade him one-for-one with McDavid. His trajectory seems to be on the up-and-up, while McDavid has lost a step. One thing is bothering me though and that is that what he has achieved is being punished by factors out of his control, ie minutes played on the power play. For that reason, I want to set the record straight: if we take in to account games missed, power play usage, pace over a 82 game schedule, imaginary goals aka expected goals per 60, then I think we can safely say that the following is true: For all intents and purposes we can call Matthews a 70 goal scorer over 82 games. It is just how the world would be if those factors out of his control ,power play usage and minute played, where in line with other super star players. Now I know what traditionalists will say: he never actually scored 70 goals so therefore he isn't a 70 goal scorer. I think this view is wrong because it ignores the nuance and context mentioned above. What do you think? Are you a simple traditionalist or are you competent enough to see the subtle complexities in context around goals and tracking goals of players?
 
Mr Bill Waters said:
Tremendous season from Matthews. Probably wins the Hart. I don't know if I would trade him one-for-one with McDavid. His trajectory seems to be on the up-and-up, while McDavid has lost a step. One thing is bothering me though and that is that what he has achieved is being punished by factors out of his control, ie minutes played on the power play. For that reason, I want to set the record straight: if we take in to account games missed, power play usage, pace over a 82 game schedule, imaginary goals aka expected goals per 60, then I think we can safely say that the following is true: For all intents and purposes we can call Matthews a 70 goal scorer over 82 games. It is just how the world would be if those factors out of his control ,power play usage and minute played, where in line with other super star players. Now I know what traditionalists will say: he never actually scored 70 goals so therefore he isn't a 70 goal scorer. I think this view is wrong because it ignores the nuance and context mentioned above. What do you think? Are you a simple traditionalist or are you competent enough to see the subtle complexities in context around goals and tracking goals of players?
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LOL.
 
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Busher said:
That really puts things into context. For comparison’s sake, 90 players have scored 120 points.

Historically, it’s been much harder to score 60 goals than 120 points, and we all see 120 points as impressive.
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He also did this in 73 games. Let's not forget about 51 goals in 50 games or 50 in 49 which have only been done by 9 players in NHL history and he's done this in a lower scoring season than any other player.
 
Mr Bill Waters said:
Tremendous season from Matthews. Probably wins the Hart. I don't know if I would trade him one-for-one with McDavid. His trajectory seems to be on the up-and-up, while McDavid has lost a step. One thing is bothering me though and that is that what he has achieved is being punished by factors out of his control, ie minutes played on the power play. For that reason, I want to set the record straight: if we take in to account games missed, power play usage, pace over a 82 game schedule, imaginary goals aka expected goals per 60, then I think we can safely say that the following is true: For all intents and purposes we can call Matthews a 70 goal scorer over 82 games. It is just how the world would be if those factors out of his control ,power play usage and minute played, where in line with other super star players. Now I know what traditionalists will say: he never actually scored 70 goals so therefore he isn't a 70 goal scorer. I think this view is wrong because it ignores the nuance and context mentioned above. What do you think? Are you a simple traditionalist or are you competent enough to see the subtle complexities in context around goals and tracking goals of players?
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Intensive purposes*
 
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Rants Mulliniks said:
Any time you look at big offense numbers, it is remarkable how much the field shrinks when you remove that era.

Not to take away from guys like Gretz who are great in any era, it's just that it really stands out from a data perspective.

Interesting point too on goals versus points.
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Gretzky/lemieux changed the entire league and game.

You don’t adjust for it, you enjoy it and wait for special players like that to come and reinvent the league again and enjoy it when and if it happens.
 
Mr Bill Waters said:
Tremendous season from Matthews. Probably wins the Hart. I don't know if I would trade him one-for-one with McDavid. His trajectory seems to be on the up-and-up, while McDavid has lost a step. One thing is bothering me though and that is that what he has achieved is being punished by factors out of his control, ie minutes played on the power play. For that reason, I want to set the record straight: if we take in to account games missed, power play usage, pace over a 82 game schedule, imaginary goals aka expected goals per 60, then I think we can safely say that the following is true: For all intents and purposes we can call Matthews a 70 goal scorer over 82 games. It is just how the world would be if those factors out of his control ,power play usage and minute played, where in line with other super star players. Now I know what traditionalists will say: he never actually scored 70 goals so therefore he isn't a 70 goal scorer. I think this view is wrong because it ignores the nuance and context mentioned above. What do you think? Are you a simple traditionalist or are you competent enough to see the subtle complexities in context around goals and tracking goals of players?
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It doesn't require any nuance or context, two weeks ago he had literally scored over 70 goals in his last 82 games played so he's definitely capable of it. Doing it in a single season is how you get the title though.
 
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It depends on how many seasons are shortened, he already had two previous years where he was on pace for over 60, but the covid shortened season ruined that. I think he'll probably get 1 more so a total of 4 if you include the covid years.
 
Suntouchable13 said:
I am going to say just this one. We just saw how hard it is to get 60. You need great health, and no prolonged scoring slumps. He just got it in game 81 for his team. Could have easily fell just short.
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He scored 60 in 73. It wasn't hard for him at all. Would push 70 with no games missed
 
Dave92 said:
It doesn't require any nuance or context, two weeks ago he had literally scored over 70 goals in his last 82 games played so he's definitely capable of it. Doing it in a single season is how you get the title though.
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Exactly my point. We know he can do it over an 82 game stretch, so why don't we just, from this point forward, call him a 70 goal scorer?
 
Mr Bill Waters said:
Tremendous season from Matthews. Probably wins the Hart. I don't know if I would trade him one-for-one with McDavid. His trajectory seems to be on the up-and-up, while McDavid has lost a step. One thing is bothering me though and that is that what he has achieved is being punished by factors out of his control, ie minutes played on the power play. For that reason, I want to set the record straight: if we take in to account games missed, power play usage, pace over a 82 game schedule, imaginary goals aka expected goals per 60, then I think we can safely say that the following is true: For all intents and purposes we can call Matthews a 70 goal scorer over 82 games. It is just how the world would be if those factors out of his control ,power play usage and minute played, where in line with other super star players. Now I know what traditionalists will say: he never actually scored 70 goals so therefore he isn't a 70 goal scorer. I think this view is wrong because it ignores the nuance and context mentioned above. What do you think? Are you a simple traditionalist or are you competent enough to see the subtle complexities in context around goals and tracking goals of players?
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He's not a 70 goal scorer until he scores 70 goals. And no it isn't wrong to say that. Hypotheticals are stupid and pointless. Tangible, on ice results are all that matters.

Also, please explain how McDavid has "lost a step" in a season where he just got a career high in points. Also, factor in that at McDavid was OUTSIDE of the top 25 in scoring at one point this year and yet he managed to win the scoring title by 8 points, all with a career low shooting percentage.
 
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