How do you fix the Wings?

[izlez]

Idk, I just watched a team win the cup with a bunch of guys they brought in waivers/trades/ufa vs a ton of home-grown talent.

Barkov - 2nd overall in 2013
Ekblad - 1st overall in 2014
Tkachuk - 6th overall in 2016 (acquired with 3rd overall pick in 2011)

To me, Florida looks like a prime example of rebuilds taking time and people needing to relax on Yzerman.

We nailed our top draft pick in 2019
We nailed our top draft pick in 2020
Virtually no one available to the red wings in 2021 and later is contributing at the NHL level because rebuilds take time

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Barkov - 2nd overall in 2013
Ekblad - 1st overall in 2014
Tkachuk - 6th overall in 2016 (acquired with 3rd overall pick in 2011)

To me, Florida looks like a prime example of rebuilds taking time and people needing to relax on Yzerman.

We nailed our top draft pick in 2019
We nailed our top draft pick in 2020
Virtually no one available to the red wings in 2021 and later is contributing at the NHL level because rebuilds take time

100%

That could also suggest you need multiple top 3 picks one way or another

 

[Winger98]

I don't think it has to be a clean slate, we just need to be at a point where more of the kids he picked are moving onto the roster. We start setting a higher baseline for the big club we can start freeing up more picks/prospects to be moved in trades. We've already seen talk along those lines and our D prospects. Our blueline is getting better, we're having more kids move up and solidify spots, so we're way more able to deal guys like Wallinder and Tuomisto.

 

[Snuggs]

100%

That could also suggest you need multiple top 3 picks one way or another

Red Wings aren't trading Edvinson in a package for Draisaitl and paying him a contract extension too. What Florida did there with the Tkachuk trade isn't exactly(home-grown). Made a risky move for a franchise building block.

It'd be as home-grown as the Debrincat trade.(which was much less costly/risky.)

 

[Run the Jewels]

Great post -- and you forgot to include Danielson!

That's the thing - I was just focusing on guys who could legitimately be on the roster next season! Danielson may very well be on the team, but it seems less of a sure thing. I only included Sandin-Pelikka due to his season last year. IMO his trajectory really separates him from any other prospect who isn't a lock to be on the roster in 2024-25.

 

[Snuggs]

Not that I would want to move Walman anyways, but there is no way I'm including Walman in that trade after seeing what defensemen bring back at the deadline. Sean Walker returned a 1st rounder at the deadline and Walman is quite a bit better.

 

[Inspiration]

How do you fix the Wings? I might start by having some difficult conversations about their pro scouting, particularly for defensemen.

 

[jaster]

Fire Yzerman.

At least, I think that’s what that 1+0=2 guy was implying.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Fire Yzerman.

At least, I think that’s what that 1+0=2 guy was implying.

Yeah that was my bad, I was overreacting and not thinking. Trade still sucks tho. Hopefully leads to something larger down the road.

 

[RedWingzz]

that Walman trade is weird...

I can't believe he was a Cap dump...and a 2nd???? I have no f***** idea anymore...

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

that Walman trade is weird...

I can't believe he was a Cap dump...and a 2nd???? I have no f***** idea anymore...

Give it a day or two. There may be more to it. Something tells me more is moving to Detroit before the end of the week.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Some people seem to be Speculating John Gibson is in play, not sure what that does for us. His contract and play is worse than Hussos.

 

[jaster]

Yeah that was my bad, I was overreacting and not thinking. Trade still sucks tho. Hopefully leads to something larger down the road.

Gotta say, you took all those snippy replies pretty well, bud.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Gotta say, you took all those snippy replies pretty well, bud.

It was kinda deserved. I was being cantankerous and was wrong about what we traded. I was just salty at the time cause I liked Walman. I ate a snickers and I’m better now.

 

[RedWingzz]

Give it a day or two. There may be more to it. Something tells me more is moving to Detroit before the end of the week.

yeah, theres gotta be more to it...

Like of course we all understand needing to clear Cap space, and maybe Yzerman is pushing hard for Guentzel or Stammer or Matt Roy, and he likely wants Ghost back...but

I'm just so confused how Walman, who is a pretty good player, has negative value in this market. Maybe there were off-ice issues, which could explain why he was scratched late in the season...?

Wouldn't a buy-out make more sense then dumping a 2nd...?

I dunno..I just don't understand it at all

 

[raymond23]

From playing toughest minutes in a decade to a ridiculously expensive cap dump in 6 months?

I don’t understand

 

[Snuggs]

What do people think it'd cost Red Wings to get Juuse Saros here?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

What do people think it'd cost Red Wings to get Juuse Saros here?

I don't see it

I think Gibson is a pretty safe bet to see playing here next season

 

[Filppula]

yeah, theres gotta be more to it...

Like of course we all understand needing to clear Cap space, and maybe Yzerman is pushing hard for Guentzel or Stammer or Matt Roy, and he likely wants Ghost back...but

I'm just so confused how Walman, who is a pretty good player, has negative value in this market. Maybe there were off-ice issues, which could explain why he was scratched late in the season...?

Wouldn't a buy-out make more sense then dumping a 2nd...?

I dunno..I just don't understand it at all

I agree, legitimately one of the most bizarre trades I’ve ever seen. I had to read it several times for it to sink in. I thought the 2nd was coming our way and was like okay that’s reasonable, then I had a closer look. Weird stuff.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I agree, legitimately one of the most bizarre trades I’ve ever seen. I had to read it several times for it to sink in. I thought the 2nd was coming our way and was like okay that’s reasonable, then I had a closer look. Weird stuff.

Have to believe the "future consideration" is SJ eating a contract from our roster, whether it's Holl, Husso, or maybe even Copp.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Have to believe the "future consideration" is SJ eating a contract from our roster, whether it's Holl, Husso, or maybe even Copp.

Yeah, I'm of the mind that you're right. The only way I can see that 2nd making sense is that it is based on a conditional around IF the Wings secure Gibson, they will take Husso.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Yeah, I'm of the mind that you're right. The only way I can see that 2nd making sense is that it is based on a conditional around IF the Wings secure Gibson, they will take Husso.

Honestly, it could be conditional to the point where they could eat any of our contracts depending on what Yzerman does. It could give him a lot of flexibility.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

I'd start by signing Tyler Bertuzzi. Then, hear me out, we could trade him and a second round pick for future considerations. The league will not see us coming.

 

[DTR]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806026097848631669

Always question the source

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Looks like the "future considerations" might actually be something as a lot of GMs apparently had no idea Walman was being shopped.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806008422346764739