How can the culture be changed with Dubas still in charge?

[axlrose87]

results =/= effort.

they didn't execute, that is a fact, but the questioning of effort is strange since you have no clue.

Hahahaha gotta love the Dubas boys.
Yes. I will continue to call out their lack of effort and desire….. just like the vast majority of hockey fans.
Anyone can see it….. except a few of you…. But people who don’t think like you have no clue lol.

 

[egd27]

results =/= effort.

they didn't execute, that is a fact, but the questioning of effort is strange since you have no clue.

Outshot 14-8 in the 1st period of Game 5 and went down 3-0
Outshot 15-9 in the 1st period of Game 6 and went down 2-0
Outshot 12-8 in the 1st period of Game 7 and went down 3-0

Not 100% of the time, but more often than not, effort = results

That said, Dubas has never had a bad offseason as the Leafs GM

2019 was no great shakes

 

[notbias]

Outshot 14-8 in the 1st period of Game 5 and went down 3-0
Outshot 15-9 in the 1st period of Game 6 and went down 2-0
Outshot 12-8 in the 1st period of Game 7 and went down 3-0

Not 100% of the time, but more often than not, effort = results



2019 was no great shakes

If only Montreal tried hard enough to beat Tampa

 

[Dekes For Days]

That's fine to say, but this team deserves to be questioned with 5 straight first round losses

It's not 5 first round losses by the same team though - just the same logo. People are using losses (majority of which were to elite teams better than us) by the slimmest of margins by very different teams to suggest that the type of team we have built now, that we've never actually been able to see in the playoffs, doesn't work.

The majority of those losses came with a bad defense. The majority of those losses came with a completely different goalie. The majority of those losses came without Tavares - a massive part of our current forward group. They've never had the 3 positions, as currently constructed, in the playoffs.

 

[Trapper]

We have no identity.
We have a President and GM who can’t decide if we just need to be focused from season puck drop or lacking killer instinct.

We pay 4 guys who have proved nothing postseason half the cap and can’t decide how to surround them.
First it’s skilled players, then it’s grit.

We trade away all our depth to pay them and then trade quality picks to find them depth.

This is seriously trying to patch something that doesn’t work.

 

[ShaneFalco]

It's not 5 first round losses by the same team though - just the same logo. People are using losses (majority of which were to elite teams better than us) by the slimmest of margins by very different teams to suggest that the type of team we have built now, that we've never actually been able to see in the playoffs, doesn't work.

The majority of those losses came with a bad defense. The majority of those losses came with a completely different goalie. The majority of those losses came without Tavares - a massive part of our current forward group. They've never had the 3 positions, as currently constructed, in the playoffs, and yet people seem so sure that something is broken.

Oh man just stop with the excuses.. So the team that lost this year - that should be counted as one playoff loss because players changed? The 5 year skid means nothing?! TB didn't win the cup 2 years in a row because players changed - it wasn't the same team!?!?

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

looks like we're gonna run it back with the same group with no changes.

looks like another year wasted.

 

[axlrose87]

looks like we're gonna run it back with the same group with no changes.

looks like another year wasted.

Looks like we will have a new gm in 2022

 

[kb]

Whoa. A lot of darkness here.

I think 1 major difference is that the pressure on Shanny/Dubas to win now must be at an all time high.

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I must say though. I feel like Burke got fired for a lot less.

Burke sealed his fate with his first move.

 

[notbias]

looks like we're gonna run it back with the same group with no changes.

looks like another year wasted.

We are adding Tavares for the playoffs.
We got rid of Hyman who was the worst playoff performer. "but his hard work!", Matthews and Marner both beat him in the "hard work" stats in the playoffs.
We are freeing up the 5 million from our backup goalie to be spent elsewhere.
We are not bringing back Thornton.
All our young players are a year older.

Same team!

 

[ShaneFalco]

We have no identity.
We have a President and GM who can’t decide if we just need to be focused from season puck drop or lacking killer instinct.

We pay 4 guys who have proved nothing postseason half the cap and can’t decide how to surround them.
First it’s skilled players, then it’s grit.

We trade away all our depth to pay them and then trade quality picks to find them depth.

This is seriously trying to patch something that doesn’t work.

And vets who are "hungry", and out-spoken guys b/c the bench was so quiet according to Keefe before Simmonds and Joe.
To Shanny they need to stand up for eachother, add some grit, develop a killer instinct, and be more consistent. Basically they need to change their DNA. Just sad

 

[ToneDog]

looks like we're gonna run it back with the same group with no changes.

looks like another year wasted.

Won't be wasted if Dubas loses his bet. Seriously this guy is dilutional.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

The Leafs need a culture change desperately. How can the culture be improved with Dubas still here? Or do we just have to wait his tenure out?

The bloated contracts, the buddy-buddy relationships, allowing Marner's camp to call the shots, not switching the PP up, keeping Thornton on PP1, not breaking Marner-Matthews up during the playoffs (put Marner on the 3rd line like Pittsburgh did with Kessel), etc. etc.

The culture is so rotten here. The blue and white disease is so bad.

So tell me, how can this culture be changed to a winning culture while Dubas is still here? It might very well be too late.

It can't. Once again he's proven it's all about him and "his" players he'll keep at all costs. He's gotta go.

 

[ShaneFalco]

We are adding Tavares for the playoffs.
We got rid of Hyman who was the worst playoff performer. "but his hard work!", Matthews and Marner both beat him in the "hard work" stats in the playoffs.
We are freeing up the 5 million from our backup goalie to be spent elsewhere.
We are not bringing back Thornton.
All our young players are a year older.

Same team!

Same core and fill-ins on the cheap. We may be able to afford one quality forward or a goalie as things stand. Hyman wasn't by far the worst playoff performer. That dubious distinction belongs to MM

 

[MakeTheIronSing]

Trade for Phil and JvR. Back when the culture was rock solid.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Dubas is going to go down as one of the worst GMs in history in any sport. How can one come into a climate that is perfect (cap space, picks, prospects, team on the rise) and with in 2 to 3 years you change to (no cap space, no picks, no prospects, team on decline).

Dubas has royally screwed the pooch. There will be text books written where dubas would be shown as a cautionary tale and what not to do in professional sports.

No hyperbole.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Outshot 14-8 in the 1st period of Game 5 and went down 3-0
Outshot 15-9 in the 1st period of Game 6 and went down 2-0
Outshot 12-8 in the 1st period of Game 7 and went down 3-0

You seem to be equating shots to effort, which is weird, but you should know that Leafs outshot Montreal 236-198.

 

[kb]

You seem to be equating shots to effort, which is weird, but you should know that Leafs outshot Montreal 236-198.

Shhhh.....facts.

It'a 2021, we only do hot takes and "feelings"

 

[The CyNick]

A bunch of people who have never been in the Leafs' dressing room talking about culture. These players don't act the same in front of the cameras as they do off-camera, you guys need to realize you have no clue how much someone cares, or how hard they try and you are all just writing fan fiction as fact.

You can see it on the ice too.

Guys who care don't laugh when getting ragdolled in a playoff game.

 

[notbias]

Same core and fill-ins on the cheap. We may be able to afford one quality forward or a goalie as things stand. Hyman wasn't by far the worst playoff performer. That dubious distinction belongs to MM

I don't think it is even debatable that Hyman was way worse than Marner, every statistic possible says Marner > Hyman, compared to expectations, sure.

I am assuming you're also thinking Edmonton should get rid of at least one of McDavid/Draisatl/RNH/Nurse since they are not having playoff success.

 

[notbias]

You can see it on the ice too.

Guys who care don't laugh when getting ragdolled in a playoff game.

No facts were given here.

 

[ItsFineImFine]

looks like we're gonna run it back with the same group with no changes.

looks like another year wasted.

We Can And We Will Part 2: Matthews is a UFA in 3 years Boogaloo

 

[Trapper]

Trade for Phil and JvR. Back when the culture was rock solid.

Maybe we just didn’t wait long enough for them to get it?

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don't think it is even debatable that Hyman was way worse than Marner, every statistic possible says Marner > Hyman, compared to expectations, sure.

I am assuming you're also thinking Edmonton should get rid of at least one of McDavid/Draisatl/RNH/Nurse since they are not having playoff success.

I don't give a crap about Edmonton and what they do
And really, whatever, Hyman was worse than MM. Who bloody cares, Mitch gets 11 mill

The excuses and bizarre comparisons to other teams just never stop

 

[57 Years No Cup]

He's certifiably insane.