How can the culture be changed with Dubas still in charge?

[Bomber0104]

Sounds like a broken record, but like an idiot, I keep buying in every year and believing:

Comparing the perennial opening-round loser Leafs to a Last Dance Bulls team that just won two straight Championships.

Amazing reporting.

 

[notbias]

Try watching the games, including non Leafs games and you'll see the difference.

The Isles didn't get within a game of the Finals because they are more skilled than the Leafs. They got there because everyone on the team from top to bottom works and works and works. Try watching an Isles playoff game and then watch a tape of a Leafs game and tell me you think each group is putting out similar effort.

I assume you never played, or at least fall into the group of bad skaters that make it look like they are trying way harder, but looking like you're working hard =/= working hard. Some people are more skilled and it looks like they are using less effort. McDavid is a good example of effortless skater, Kucherov looks disinterested a lot too.

 

[The CyNick]

That’s a joke. AS it stands now, they are not better than TB or Boston and there is nothing that can be done to make us better.

I'm not convinced they are better than Florida. I'm not even convinced they could beat Montreal in a playoff series. Montreal still has room to improve their team significantly.

There isn't one team in the East, who I expect to make the playoffs that I would favor the Leafs over in a seven game series. Not one.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Kyle called all the media members together to announce that he still believes.

That should make everyone feel much better.

LMAO so true

 

[The CyNick]

I assume you never played, or at least fall into the group of bad skaters that make it look like they are trying way harder, but looking like you're working hard =/= working hard. Some people are more skilled and it looks like they are using less effort. McDavid is a good example of effortless skater, Kucherov looks disinterested a lot too.

What? McDavid always looks like he cares. And Kuch is a beast in the playoffs. These examples are whack.

 

[egd27]

So Tampa does not try hard enough? I am finding it really hard to follow your logic.

You can't follow that? I don't think I can make it much simpler. Sorry

 

[ShaneFalco]

Sounds like a broken record, but like an idiot, I keep buying in every year and believing:

I was there too, but I've seen enough of this circus. We deserve and should expect more. Losing is ok in Leaf-land , just try again

 

[notbias]

You can't follow that? I don't think I can make it much simpler. Sorry

You said outshooting your opponent = more effort.
Leafs outshot Montreal in the series aka put in more effort.
Right?

 

[The CyNick]

Comparing the perennial opening-round loser Leafs to a Last Dance Bulls team that just won two straight Championships.

Amazing reporting.

I prefer this. Sounds like he knows he's finished.

I don't understand why ownership hasn't stepped in already. But sure, give him another year to fail and then fire him. I don't want him at the helm trading away key pieces. I want the next manager doing that.

 

[DarkKnight]

 

[hamzarocks]

Comparing the perennial opening-round loser Leafs to a Last Dance Bulls team that just won two straight Championships.

Amazing reporting.

Those bulls were looking to complete their 2nd 3 peat. They had already won 3 in a row from 91 to 93. Heck if MJ didn't leave to play baseball they'd be possibly 8 peating

Comparing The dynasty and one of the best NBA teams ever to the current version of the leafs should result in CJ getting fined 5000$

 

[notbias]

What? McDavid always looks like he cares. And Kuch is a beast in the playoffs. These examples are whack.

Sorry you can't follow. Hyman looks like he puts in far more effort than either player, and it is because he isn't fluid. Islanders are built as a system team with a bunch of middling players, aka they aren't super skilled, their winning ability comes from structure, not effort, they just look like they are trying harder because they aren't the best skaters/good with the puck/their system is to clog things up.

 

[Jozay]

Betting your job on a team thats lost in the first round 5 years in a row. Good bet bro.

 

[DarkKnight]

Betting your job on a team thats lost in the first round 5 years in a row. Good bet bro.

And he cited all the loses too.

 

[Twine Tickler]

You are saying Dubas addresses need, but clearly he doesn't, otherwise the team would win. You can say "the players let him down", but he invested half his cap in those four players. If they fail to produce, it's his failure in assembling a team. If the team has massive success, it's not Dubas winning the games, the results on the ice will always ultimately be dictated by the players. The GM puts them in the room. If those players don't produce, then maybe they shouldn't be making top 5 money in the league.

We have not been let down by any players in the bottom 6 in our playoff runs. We get Bottom 6 level performances from the core 4, its really that simple. That is why we have not won a single round. Explain to me how exactly you would have handled Willy, Mitch and Auston 3 years ago? contracts aside, would you have resigned those 3 players? if the answer is yes (which I suspect it would be), then your results would be the same. You cannot win when your best players no show when it matters the most. Good, bad or indifferent this is the core he was dealt. A very good one yes, but they have yet to show that they can get over the hump. Not the bottom 6, defense, or goaltending... the core 4.

He inherited a terrible defense, and has since made it a top 10 defense in the league (not easy to do). He inherited an egomaniac as a coach, he addressed that. He inherited some tough "untradeable" contracts (Zaitzev, Marleau) and addressed that.

I will not fault Kyle for putting faith in Mitch, Auston, Willy, and JT. Any f***ing GM on the planet would do the same. If you think the contrary, I am really not sure how.

Our prospect depth is phenomenal. And despite being in a flat cap era that was completely unforeseen, which arguably handcuffed the Leafs more than any other NHL franchise, we were still entering last seasons post season with maybe the best NHL caliber depth out of any playoff team. We had Rittich as a number 3, Gally, Nash, Hutton, Lilly, Dermott, and Sandin all fighting for 2 spots.

I will admit I don't agree with the moves he has made this offseason. But Kyle is a very smart GM, and if he "fails" here it will be because Auston and Mitch don't step up and live up to their potential when it counts most. Kyle will be scooped up in 10 seconds if he gets relieved. He has done a lot of good work in his tenure. Other NHL teams don't have the same emotional irrationality that this fanbase has

 

[Dekes For Days]

Even you must realize the importance of being ready to play from the puck drop and not allowing your opponent dictate the pace.

Ah, so only 1st periods matter? What happens in 2nd and 3rd periods are meaningless? We should tell the NHL!
For the record, both Toronto and Montreal outshot the other in a 1st period three times - the exact same amount.
They tied once, and then Toronto came out and outshot Montreal 20-6 in the 2nd period of that game.
Still not really sure what this has to do with effort...

 

[hamzarocks]

Betting your job on a team thats lost in the first round 5 years in a row. Good bet bro.

Mike Babcock " I always bet on Mike babcock"

Kyle Dubas "I'm ready to bet my career on these losers"

Idk who was more delusional with their bets

 

[DarkKnight]

Mike Babcock " I always bet on Mike babcock"

Kyle Dubas "I'm ready to bet my career on these losers"

Idk who was more delusional with their bets

Good one, it’s the same thing.

 

[hamzarocks]

We have not been let down by any players in the bottom 6 in our playoff runs. We get Bottom 6 level performances from the core 4, its really that simple. That is why we have not won a single round. Explain to me how exactly you would have handled Willy, Mitch and Auston 3 years ago? contracts aside, would you have resigned those 3 players? if the answer is yes (which I suspect it would be), then your results would be the same. You cannot win when your best players no show when it matters the most. Good, bad or indifferent this is the core he was dealt. A very good one yes, but they have yet to show that they can get over the hump. Not the bottom 6, defense, or goaltending... the core 4.

He inherited a terrible defense, and has since made it a top 10 defense in the league (not easy to do). He inherited an egomaniac as a coach, he addressed that. He inherited some tough "untradeable" contracts (Zaitzev, Marleau) and addressed that.

I will not fault Kyle for putting faith in Mitch, Auston, Willy, and JT. Any f***ing GM on the planet would do the same. If you think the contrary, I am really not sure how.

Our prospect depth is phenomenal. And despite being in a flat cap era that was completely unforeseen, which arguably handcuffed the Leafs more than any other NHL franchise, we were still entering last seasons post season with maybe the best NHL caliber depth out of any playoff team. We had Rittich as a number 3, Gally, Nash, Hutton, Lilly, Dermott, and Sandin all fighting for 2 spots.

I will admit I don't agree with the moves he has made this offseason. But Kyle is a very smart GM, and if he "fails" here it will be because Auston and Mitch don't step up and live up to their potential when it counts most. Kyle will be scooped up in 10 seconds if he gets relieved. He has done a lot of good work in his tenure. Other NHL teams don't have the same emotional irrationality that this fanbase has

Kyle dubas will never work as a GM again at the NHL level if fired from the leafs.

His legacy is on the line next year. Either the team figures it out and he has a long tenure here. Or we shit the bed again and it's the end of Kyle Dubas NHL managerial career.

 

[Trapper]

I prefer this. Sounds like he knows he's finished.

I don't understand why ownership hasn't stepped in already. But sure, give him another year to fail and then fire him. I don't want him at the helm trading away key pieces. I want the next manager doing that.

I’ll give him credit for live or die mentality for sure.
As long as this is the last dance.

 

[egd27]

You said outshooting your opponent = more effort.
Leafs outshot Montreal in the series aka put in more effort.
Right?

Nope.....try again. Maybe ask a friend?

 

[Anthrax442]

Kyle dubas will never work as a GM again at the NHL level if fired from the leafs.

Funny thing, he'll go to a rival and then win the cup.

 

[hamzarocks]

Funny thing, he'll go to a rival and then win the cup.

Naw no one will hire him after how badly his tenure with the would havr leafs went if we are out again in the 1st round next year

He'll have proven he's not reliable and unable to adapt. Not many teams would hire a young and inexperienced GM like dubas. Shanny had a lot of faith him in and he got the job

Most teams hire in house or older GMs with experience and a track record of success. He'd have to switch into scouting as he's good at identifying talent for the draft

 

[Nylanderthal]

Via a trade.

Players don't change

Steve yzerman, joe Sakic, Alex ovechkin all say hello

 

[egd27]

Ah, so only 1st periods matter? What happens in 2nd and 3rd periods are meaningless? We should tell the NHL!
For the record, both Toronto and Montreal outshot the other in a 1st period three times - the exact same amount.
They tied once, and then Toronto came out and outshot Montreal 20-6 in the 2nd period of that game.
Still not really sure what this has to do with effort...

I know you don't, it's not on the spreadsheet......sorry.