How can the culture be changed with Dubas still in charge?

[realgoodleafs]

This team won't win anything. Too much baggage now. Need to blow it up along with Shanahan and Dubas.

 

[Dave92]

Even though it's too harsh Dubas' will likely go down as one of the worst GMs in NHL history because it's fun to rag on the Leafs.

 

[Superstar]

Sounds like a broken record, but like an idiot, I keep buying in every year and believing:

Also sounds like a parting speech...like the captain and the Titanic.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Even the team that hasn't played a single game already taking shots at us.

Here's what others truly feel about your "better, smarter fans", how embarrassing.

Fowler is a clown who should stick to college football and tennis.
Also throughout the broadcast he took shots at a lot of teams.

 

[Dave92]

Steve yzerman, joe Sakic, Alex ovechkin all say hello

The teams around Sakic and Yzerman are what changed.

 

[Havoc]

Sounds like a broken record, but like an idiot, I keep buying in every year and believing:

I don't see what's wrong with this. Keeping the morale high for your current roster is management 101. What do people want him to say? This group sucks, I don't believe in them?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Mike Babcock " I always bet on Mike babcock"

Kyle Dubas "I'm ready to bet my career on these losers"

Idk who was more delusional with their bets

Or who is more narrow-minded and narcissistic

 

[Dekes For Days]

I know you don't, it's not on the spreadsheet......sorry.

Huh? I'm not looking for "effort" on a spreadsheet. That seems to be what you were doing by trying to equate shot totals and effort. Then when it was pointed out that the Leafs outshot Montreal, effort was 1st period shots only, for some reason. Then when it was pointed out that the Leafs and Montreal outshot each other in the 1st period the same amount of times, you ignored the discussion entirely and are now talking about spreadsheets...

 

[TDotMassive]

That's fine to say, but this team deserves to be questioned with 5 straight first round losses, the last 2 being upsets given the talent gap even with JT's injury.

Some are over the top, but I understand why people are outraged.

Advancing deep in the playoffs before this season I would argue was an unrealistic expectation by fans. This year is the first we can be legit disappointed. I do think the freak accident that took out JT was the difference. When I saw the injury happen, after concern for his health, I quickly realized any hope of a cup died with that hit. We weren't winning with that gaping 2C hole and the moral loss of our captain.

 

[showtime8]

This team won't win anything. Too much baggage now. Need to blow it up along with Shanahan and Dubas.

What exactly should the Leafs "blow up"? Are you suggesting trading 23, 24 and 25 year olds for 20 year olds or are you making lateral trades for equivalent aged players?

 

[Twine Tickler]

Kyle dubas will never work as a GM again at the NHL level if fired from the leafs.

His legacy is on the line next year. Either the team figures it out and he has a long tenure here. Or we shit the bed again and it's the end of Kyle Dubas NHL managerial career.

I would bet my life on the fact that this will not be true. Kyle is a progressive hockey mind that has shown that he can put together a good roster. The mental fragility of his star players will be his demise. Does TB win if Kucherov and Point tuck their dick in between their legs all playoffs? not a chance in hell. Does STL win in 2019 if ROR doesn't play the way he did?? nope. We need to stop making excuses for these players. Even if they were sign for less lucrative deals, and we combine all of the money that they were overpaid, we MIGHT have 5 million extra. Do we get to R2 with an extra 5 million dollar player? that 5 million would have likely been spread over retaining Johnsson and Kappy. I've seen that script before, it didn't work either. Until our star players play like star players we will not win. Period. I'm not sure that's Kyle's fault, hard to cut the cord on those players at any other point in their careers. This offseason was legitimately the first rational opportunity to move on from this core. If they fail once again, then I'd say there is room to be critical for AUston and Mitch's shortcomings next post season. But I do find it hilarious how this whole fanbase wanted to ship Willy out of town for his previous no shows, only to see him be the only one to show up this last postseason. Yet no one will mention any praise for KD on that one to stick with his guys....

 

[Havoc]

Even though it's too harsh Dubas' will likely go down as one of the worst GMs in NHL history because it's fun to rag on the Leafs.

I don't think he will.

Anyone not immature can understand these contracts were made when nobody could have predicted a virus was coming to lockdown the whole world.

The cap should be closer to 88 mil today. Instead it got locked at 81.

If Leafs management could predict the future, Marner and Matthews salaries would be less than it is today. Economics were different. If anyone claims they should have factored in a pandemic keeping the cap where it is.........lol get lost.

It's a sad time for Leafs cap. Covid coming and putting a dagger in us pretty much sums up life as a Leafs fan. We can never be happy lol

 

[ShaneFalco]

Anyone not immature can understand these contracts were made when nobody could have predicted a virus was coming to lockdown the whole world.

The cap should be closer to 88 mil today. Instead it got locked at 81

But it isn't. So acknowledge it and adapt

 

[TDotMassive]

What exactly should the Leafs "blow up"? Are you suggesting trading 23, 24 and 25 year olds for 20 year olds or are you making lateral trades for equivalent aged players?

LMAO... trade Matthews and Marner for picks

 

[hamzarocks]

I would bet my life on the fact that this will not be true. Kyle is a progressive hockey mind that has shown that he can put together a good roster. The mental fragility of his star players will be his demise. Does TB win if Kucherov and Point tuck their dick in between their legs all playoffs? not a chance in hell. Does STL win in 2019 if ROR doesn't play the way he did?? nope. We need to stop making excuses for these players. Even if they were sign for less lucrative deals, and we combine all of the money that they were overpaid, we MIGHT have 5 million extra. Do we get to R2 with an extra 5 million dollar player? that 5 million would have likely been spread over retaining Johnsson and Kappy. I've seen that script before, it didn't work either. Until our star players play like star players we will not win. Period. I'm not sure that's Kyle's fault, hard to cut the cord on those players at any other point in their careers. This offseason was legitimately the first rational opportunity to move on from this core. If they fail once again, then I'd say there is room to be critical for AUston and Mitch's shortcomings next post season. But I do find it hilarious how this whole fanbase wanted to ship Willy out of town for his previous no shows, only to see him be the only one to show up this last postseason. Yet no one will mention any praise for KD on that one to stick with his guys....

Saying he's a progressive hockey mind and ranting about why he's so good despite zero results just shows your desperate and have a personal bias towards him

He hasn't progressed our organization in terms of on ice strategy. Hiring different minded people does not make a successful manager.

Sticking with his guys hasn't led us to anywhere. Sticking with Nylander despite the strong production hasn't improved the team. We've sacrificed our offensive depth for a better top 4. Losing Kk, AJ, brown, Hyman, Kadri in favor of building the defense and adding JT hasn't proven to be a strong strategy

Kyle dubas hasn't demonstrated the ability to adapt and change directions and strategies. He's just as stubborn as any old-minded former GMs we had. He's repeatedly supported the core players who he bet on and they haven't delivered. He's going to be doing that again in the Atlantic and it isn't likely we are as dominant in that division as we were in the North.

Kyle dubas is all hypothetical and ifs and maybes. In our peak contention years we shouldn't have been betting on him to come and build a winner

 

[TiMo15]

One more year for him to prove about the believing. If the team gets the same reuslt next year, he will be taking all the blame to keep the big 4 with their overpaid salary (excpet Nylander). No way there's more believing when they cannot perform or carry the team in the playoff at ALL.

 

[The CyNick]

I’ll give him credit for live or die mentality for sure.
As long as this is the last dance.

If it's not, Leafs either won the Cup or ownership just really doesn't give a damn. The latter seems more likely in this market.

 

[showtime8]

I would bet my life on the fact that this will not be true. Kyle is a progressive hockey mind that has shown that he can put together a good roster. The mental fragility of his star players will be his demise. Does TB win if Kucherov and Point tuck their dick in between their legs all playoffs? not a chance in hell. Does STL win in 2019 if ROR doesn't play the way he did?? nope. We need to stop making excuses for these players. Even if they were sign for less lucrative deals, and we combine all of the money that they were overpaid, we MIGHT have 5 million extra. Do we get to R2 with an extra 5 million dollar player? that 5 million would have likely been spread over retaining Johnsson and Kappy. I've seen that script before, it didn't work either. Until our star players play like star players we will not win. Period. I'm not sure that's Kyle's fault, hard to cut the cord on those players at any other point in their careers. This offseason was legitimately the first rational opportunity to move on from this core. If they fail once again, then I'd say there is room to be critical for AUston and Mitch's shortcomings next post season. But I do find it hilarious how this whole fanbase wanted to ship Willy out of town for his previous no shows, only to see him be the only one to show up this last postseason. Yet no one will mention any praise for KD on that one to stick with his guys....

Really good post.

Hard to say when he would get another opportunity, but I don't think the door would be shut. I also don't think you're firing a GM to make room for him like other places would do if Brisebois/Yzerman/Sakic would come available.

 

[egd27]

Huh? I'm not looking for "effort" on a spreadsheet. That seems to be what you were doing by trying to equate shot totals and effort. Then when it was pointed out that the Leafs outshot Montreal, effort was 1st period shots only, for some reason. Then when it was pointed out that the Leafs and Montreal outshot each other in the 1st period the same amount of times, you ignored the discussion entirely and are now talking about spreadsheets...

It's ok, you don't understand the intent of what the posts were trying to convey. I can see a number of others who seem to have a better grasp on the game got it, so I'm content that the point was made.

 

[Dekes For Days]

But it isn't. So acknowledge it and adapt

That's exactly what he's done. "Adapting" just doesn't mean trading away the most important core pieces on your team.

 

[All Mod Cons]

looks like we're gonna run it back with the same group with no changes.

looks like another year wasted.

"For better orworse, I believe in this group"

What an unbelievable way to start a sentence as a GM. For better or worse.

 

[ShaneFalco]

That's exactly what he's done. "Adapting" just doesn't mean trading away the most important core pieces on your team.

Not even considering trading away ONE of the core 4 because the landscape has changed and you're too top heavy - that's not adapting. That's insisting you're right and being to arrogant to acknowledge change is needed after 5 years of sub-par results

 

[Dreakmur]

I don't think he will.

Anyone not immature can understand these contracts were made when nobody could have predicted a virus was coming to lockdown the whole world.

The cap should be closer to 88 mil today. Instead it got locked at 81.

If Leafs management could predict the future, Marner and Matthews salaries would be less than it is today. Economics were different. If anyone claims they should have factored in a pandemic keeping the cap where it is.........lol get lost.

It's a sad time for Leafs cap. Covid coming and putting a dagger in us pretty much sums up life as a Leafs fan. We can never be happy lol

Dubas should have got those contracts as low as possible, regardless of any future cap circumstances.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I don't see what's wrong with this. Keeping the morale high for your current roster is management 101. What do people want him to say? This group sucks, I don't believe in them?

He should be signaling that changes are planned. He doesn't need to go into specifics.

Going into next season with the same roster sans Hyman is a recipe for a first round sweep.

 

[Dreakmur]

"For better orworse, I believe in this group"

What an unbelievable way to start a sentence as a GM. For better or worse.

It’s like starting a sentence with “no offence, but…”