How are you feeling about Tavares these days?

[Darcy Tucker]

Yeah it's rough watching our superstars carry around the animated corpse of JT like Weekend at Bernie's 2. You can't keep his usage the same in the playoffs so I wonder what Keefe is going to do about it.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It's really tough to speculate on what a trade return might look like due to the NMC. A team trying to contend should not have the same standards for a trade as a team trying to bottom out though (Phaneuf trade).

A (smart) team trying to contend would have nothing to do with Tavares.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

lol the return?? It would cost at least a 1st and 2nd rounder to dump the final year.

If he’s truly a leafs fan he should go on ltir next season and come back for the playoffs. Train hard and maybe have some legs for 20 or so games before he falls off a cliff again.

 

[arso40]

Yeah it's rough watching our superstars carry around the animated corpse of JT like Weekend at Bernie's 2. You can't keep his usage the same in the playoffs so I wonder what Keefe is going to do about it.

Should give him a game off but then again the break is coming anyway

 

[Buds17]

A (smart) team trying to contend would have nothing to do with Tavares.

Meaning the team he currently plays for and/or the team he'd hypothetically be traded to if willing to waive?

 

[TIGERCOOL]

I've heard a lot of talk of getting Tanev and Hanafin from the Flames, but why not Lindholm? The guy seems like a perfect #2 who can bump Tavares to the wing or third line. I think he'd be a better fit than O'Rielly was last season, who was crafty but just as slow as JT.

Can we target Lindholm and ONE of those two defencemen? Do we have the capital or cap room to make that work? I imagine if people were talking about us snagging both Tanev and Hanafin that there was maneouvering possible there. Another option is Chychrun, who is on a reasonble contract for another season after this one which would take some of the sting out of paying so much for two rentals. I haven't followed the Sens this year but he always looks solid when I watch him and think he still has room to grow.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Meaning the team he currently plays for and/or the team he'd hypothetically be traded to if willing to waive?

Yes.

 

[ZEBROA]

7shots on goal is good, but next game he need to find the net.

Is there a way to follow the shifts of every player? Or du you have to be in the Toronto staff to do so?

 

[studebaker17]

7shots on goal is good, but next game he need to find the net.

Is there a way to follow the shifts of every player? Or du you have to be in the Toronto staff to do so?

ShiftChart - Hockey Shift Data Visualization

input whatever game you want and shows you every player on the ice for any given second.

 

[Nineteen67]

I've heard a lot of talk of getting Tanev and Hanafin from the Flames, but why not Lindholm? The guy seems like a perfect #2 who can bump Tavares to the wing or third line. I think he'd be a better fit than O'Rielly was last season, who was crafty but just as slow as JT.

Can we target Lindholm and ONE of those two defencemen? Do we have the capital or cap room to make that work? I imagine if people were talking about us snagging both Tanev and Hanafin that there was maneouvering possible there. Another option is Chychrun, who is on a reasonble contract for another season after this one which would take some of the sting out of paying so much for two rentals. I haven't followed the Sens this year but he always looks solid when I watch him and think he still has room to grow.

I’ve heard some media say that Lindholm is not interested in signing in Toronto.

 

[thewave]

I’ve heard some media say that Lindholm is not interested in signing in Toronto.

There is no way players believe going to Toronto going forward offers a solid chance to win. We're fighting for a playoff spot at this point.

 

[Nineteen67]

I actually felt bad for Tavares watching him carry the puck through the neutral zone against Winnipeg.

It‘s a reminder that Father Time hits everyone, eventually. Before you know it, Rielly is going to be 30.

 

[Nineteen67]

There is no way players believe going to Toronto going forward offers a solid chance to win. We're fighting for a playoff spot at this point.

I don’t know the reasons, and I don’t know if it’s actually true ( I think it was the cronies that said it), but Toronto is a cushy place to play.

 

[ToneDog]

This guy may never get another point. May have to send him to Robbidas island next year after paying the old, floater Willie Nylander 11.25m for the next 8 years. Seriously, Willie WTF are you thinking?

Robbie does all the heavy lifting on the winning goal, and Willie goes +1 last night.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I've heard a lot of talk of getting Tanev and Hanafin from the Flames, but why not Lindholm? The guy seems like a perfect #2 who can bump Tavares to the wing or third line. I think he'd be a better fit than O'Rielly was last season, who was crafty but just as slow as JT.

Can we target Lindholm and ONE of those two defencemen? Do we have the capital or cap room to make that work? I imagine if people were talking about us snagging both Tanev and Hanafin that there was maneouvering possible there. Another option is Chychrun, who is on a reasonble contract for another season after this one which would take some of the sting out of paying so much for two rentals. I haven't followed the Sens this year but he always looks solid when I watch him and think he still has room to grow.

I'd be interested in Chychrun because he could be a long term solution but Lindholm and Tanev/Hanifin would be an all in situation for rentals, this team just isn't good enough to warrant that. Don't think Hanifin would extend and don't really think the other two make sense to extend.

 

[Nineteen67]

I'd be interested in Chychrun because he could be a long term solution but Lindholm and Tanev/Hanifin would be an all in situation for rentals, this team just isn't good enough to warrant that. Don't think Hanifin would extend and don't really think the other two make sense to extend.

I think if they are bringing in a top pair D, ideally he’s a lot younger than Rielly.
Based on where they sit now, if or when they enter the window, Rielly will be 32.

 

[ACC1224]

Really thought he was getting one last night, tons of looks.
It'll come.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I actually felt bad for Tavares watching him carry the puck through the neutral zone against Winnipeg.

It‘s a reminder that Father Time hits everyone, eventually. Before you know it, Rielly is going to be 30.

The difference, and it’s very key, is that the best part of Mo’s game has always been his skating. He’s going to be a beauty throughout his entire contract no doubt in my mind.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

MLSE PR campaign is on with full bells but JT needs to move to 3LWer asap

 

[Nineteen67]

The difference, and it’s very key, is that the best part of Mo’s game has always been his skating. He’s going to be a beauty throughout his entire contract no doubt in my mind.

He’ll be 32 when they are a position to contend. I like him and he’s a great asset, but I wouldn’t rule out moving him now for the right piece. Not the ideal situation, but they should explore everything.

 

[Jozay]

I feel good







That he's only got 1 year left on his deal

 

[RunItBackAgain]

He’ll be 32 when they are a position to contend. I like him and he’s a great asset, but I wouldn’t rule out moving him now for the right piece. Not the ideal situation, but they should explore everything.

We cant move him until 2028, full NMC. If we didn’t ask anyone else to waive we sure as hell ain’t asking him. But really that’s actually the least of our problems and we have a LOT

 

[Nineteen67]

We cant move him until 2028, full NMC. If we didn’t ask anyone else to waive we sure as hell ain’t asking him. But really that’s actually the least of our problems and we have a LOT

Yep. He is the least of their problems, but I keep forgetting they tie their hands behind their back with every contract.
I think trying to sign FAs to fill their needs is risky and expensive.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

If we went back to the summer of 2018 and someone from the future told us "By half way through the 6th year of his contract, here are his career averages as a leaf. 34 goals/82 and 80 points/82. Are we happy with that?"

I believe most of us back then would have said "f*** YEAH!!!!" We'd likely be ecstatic. At the time, how many leafs had even broken 70 points over the past ten years? Kessel twice? Anybody else?

So yeah, we'd be very happy with those numbers. The problem is and always has been that Dubas gave out unprecedented dramatic overpayments to the young core. That IS the problem. That IS the reality for why this team doesn't succeed. And many of us called it out the second those contracts were penned.

I still maintain, Tavares was a HORRIBLE signing and ruined the entire 7 years of his term. But not because of the contract itself. Because of how the agents of the young core were able to use it to leverage the baby rookie infant gm that mlse put in place.

Tavares set the bar at $11 million, and Matthew's certainly wasn't going too sign for less than that.

The other part of the Tavares signing allowed Matthews to become 2nd line centre and face easier completion. Tavares also scored 47 goals, helping Marner pad his stats. This happened the season leading into Marner's and Matthew's contact negotiations. I have to believe that we could have saved at least a million dollars on each of them if we hadn't signed Tavares.

I agree that this signing was the moment they shot themselves in the foot. The calculated Shanaplan went out the window. The 5 years of pain promised by Babcock was no longer in play. The team got too good, too fast.

 

[Buds17]

Tavares set the bar at $11 million, and Matthew's certainly wasn't going too sign for less than that.

The other part of the Tavares signing allowed Matthews to become 2nd line centre and face easier completion. Tavares also scored 47 goals, helping Marner pad his stats. This happened the season leading into Marner's and Matthew's contact negotiations. I have to believe that we could have saved at least a million dollars on each of them if we hadn't signed Tavares.

I agree that this signing was the moment they shot themselves in the foot. The calculated Shanaplan went out the window. The 5 years of pain promised by Babcock was no longer in play. The team got too good, too fast.

RFAs being able to leverage UFAs as comparables sounds like a GM problem more than anything else. I can understand how a UFA becomes highly paid due to what can essentially be a blind bidding process. An RFA lacks the same kind of negotiating power without a signed offer sheet being in play.