Post-Game Talk: Hoppy St. Pootricks Day Sharks @ Rangers - 3/16/14

[TheDirtyH]

Agree. Think AV is about to as well. Those lines we had posted here earlier might be the only thing that makes sense.

Nash-MSL together, Kreider-Brass-Zuc.

I'd keep Brass with MSL. He's a good skilled player, fast, and can get to the puck quicker than Step. That, and the Kreider, Stepan, Zuccarello has been great the stretches they've played together.

 

[RiceCooker]

When is Haggerty playing....maybe he can finish !!

 

[Thirty One]

If they continue playing like this they'll most likely miss the playoffs.

You think they played poorly today?

 

[Oak]

The elephant graveyard continues….

Big game hunter Sather keeps bringing them in to die.

 

[AHB*]

And how to do you propose we get these good centers?
The top ranked centers in points this year and their draft position:
1. Crosby (1st)
2. Getzlaf (19th in super stacked draft)
3. Giroux (22nd)
4. Seguin (2nd)
5. Pavelski (205th)
6. Tavares (1st)
7. Malkin (2nd)
8. Backstrom (4th)
9. Thornton (1st)
10. Benn (129th)
11. Toews (3rd)
12. Duchene (3rd)
13. Krejci (63rd)
14. Kopitar (11th)
15. O'Reilly (33rd)
16. Spezza (2nd)
17. Little (12th)
18. Staal (2nd)
19. MacKinnon (1st)
20. Johansen (4th)

So overall:
Top 5: 12 (6 who were 1 or 2)
First round(not top 5):4
Second round: 2
Late pick: 2

So either you get a real top pick or you get lucky late pretty much. And we're never going to be bad enough to get that top 5 pick.
Stepan has the 10th most points this year among centers not taken in the first round.

You make a ballsy trade and package Kreider or Stepan and start offering it around for a young guy like Girgensons. If they say no, you add. You go around and you keep asking.

You ask for guys like Huberdeau. You ask for guys like Grigorenko. You ask for guys that fall out of favor. You do your due diligence.

But no, instead of doing that, Sather will always take the easy way out. He will throw cash at Richards, Stastny or whoever. He will trade for overpaid, glorified floaters like Nash who only are willing to come here. He'll mortgage the future for geezers like MSL.

Basically, you take a calculated risk. You don't trade for MSL. You instead, try to package Callahan, one of Stepan/Kreider, the 1st and 2nd and maybe another prospect for a young centermen.

You do your best to make a GM not say no to your offer. Whoever it may be. Galchenyuk, Barkov, etc. You try not to take no for an answer. Your only untouchable is Hank and McD.

You grow a pair. Look at San Jose. They did it for Thornton and it has set them up for a decade. Dallas did it too, looking pretty good with Seguin in their slot for the next decade+.

Teams do it. They're forced by great packages. Doesn't hurt to call. Stepan will never be "that" guy.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

Watching Nash try to dangle lately has been depressing. Yet every time he moves into the zone with speed I get excited like an idiot. And every time the defense closes in on him and he falls down.

 

[eco's bones]

The Hagelin non-goal should have counted. This league is not on the up and up--never really has been. Didn't see any evidence that it was in. The evidence was its being pushed back over the line but the league can make up any excuse it wants when it wants to. In this case it was **** physics. Let's see--Maple Leafs in a dogfight for the playoffs too--War room is in Toronto. Just another one of the really ****ed up rulings by the War Room against the Rangers this year.

 

[aufheben]

You think they played poorly today?

No, I just mean if they put up a mediocre record down the stretch.

 

[TheDirtyH]

You think they played poorly today?

I was not impressed with our top six. Thought the bottom guys got more zone time. If that continues, we're ****ed.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

You make a ballsy trade and package Kreider or Stepan and start offering it around for a young guy like Girgensons. If they say no, you add. You go around and you keep asking.

You ask for guys like Huberdeau. You ask for guys like Grigorenko. You ask for guys that fall out of favor. You do your due diligence.

But no, instead of doing that, Sather will always take the easy way out. He will throw cash at Richards, Stastny or whoever. He will trade for overpaid, glorified floaters like Nash who only are willing to come here. He'll mortgage the future for geezers like MSL.

Basically, you take a calculated risk. You don't trade for MSL. You instead, try to package Callahan, one of Stepan/Kreider, the 1st and 2nd and maybe another prospect for a young centermen.

You do your best to make a GM not say no to your offer. Whoever it may be. Galchenyuk, Barkov, etc. You try not to take no for an answer. Your only untouchable is Hank and McD.

You grow a pair. Look at San Jose. They did it for Thornton and it has set them up for a decade. Dallas did it too, looking pretty good with Seguin in their slot for the next decade+.

Teams do it. They're forced by great packages. Doesn't hurt to call. Stepan will never be "that" guy.

I somewhat agree with this. Callahan, Kreider, Hrivik, 2nd for Seguin would have been similar to Eriksson, Smith, Morrow, Fraser. That's the kind of trade that could have instantly changed our trajectory a bit. Seguin/Stepan/Richards down the middle with Miller taking Richards spot next year. Package Brassard for a winger. It's still only a step, and by no means a cure all, but with how badly we've struggled to get a young, elite offensive talent, a trade like Seguin is exactly what we would have needed.

 

[Kakko]

I can't take posters who weren't even here when Prucha was calling people out for getting excited about a Rangers rookie scoring the way he did seriously.

If you want to respond to me, feel free to use the 'reply' button

People judged Prucha after one year... and were completely wrong

People judged Stepan after half a year... and are now singing a different tune

People judged Brassard after 20 games... and now want him gone


I can only laugh at those same people judging St. Louis after 6 ****ing games.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

We do need a top center. But we also need our good freaking players to score goals.

 

[RangersFan]

LOL, MSL asked for this...He begged and pleaded for it. HAHA...

 

[Todd Harvey]

Even I can't blame the league for that non-goal, though it's obviously in; the question is, was it all the way across the line? the puck is obscured by Niemi's pad. So without conclusive visual evidence, they had no choice.

I would have liked to have seen the angle from inside the net at least once; but for some reason it was never shown.

 

[Thirty One]

If you want to respond to me, feel free to use the 'reply' button

People judged Prucha after one year... and were completely wrong

People judged Stepan after half a year... and are now singing a different tune

People judged Brassard after 20 games... and now want him gone


I can only laugh at those same people judging St. Louis after 6 ****ing games.

So much this.

 

[Kakko]

Here's the PGT from this exact same game, against a worse team, where our goal counts, and Hank stops the SHG

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1583885

Crazy how different everyone's thoughts are

 

[AHB*]

If you want to respond to me, feel free to use the 'reply' button

People judged Prucha after one year... and were completely wrong

People judged Stepan after half a year... and are now singing a different tune

People judged Brassard after 20 games... and now want him gone


I can only laugh at those same people judging St. Louis after 6 ****ing games.

I don't care if MSL puts up 100 points this year. If we don't win a cup, this trade is a fail. It's a massive risk.

I do believe MSL will get his **** together, for the time being. But he's old and will inevitably wear down.

No 40 year old has EVER kept it up for that long. Look at Selanne, sure his numbers are ok, but the guy doesn't even play back to backs anymore. He's 43.

It's just not realistic to ask a player to perform at a 75-100 point level that far into his 40's.

In this salary cap league, it's important to use your picks. You can't have a team built around paid veterans. You need guys like Kreider on an ELC to produce. You need guys like Stepan on an RFA deal to produce.

If we don't buyout Richards, we are so ****ed for the long-term, it's not even funny.

Even if we do, we have aging stars. You're right about the fact that people shouldn't be so quick to judge. But where I think you may be off, is that any long-term Ranger fan saw this type of roster construction nearly two decades ago. It ended in extreme disaster.

Slowly but surely, we are heading down that path again.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Guys, you all know I'm always a Debbie downer, but I just can't take this anymore. I can't take another year wasted, another year of stress and frustration. I'm beginning to question my loyalty to this organization. I'm really tempted to give up my "fan hood" and pick another team to follow; preferably a bad team so I don't front run. I can't do this anymore cheering for this mediocre organization.

 

[Kakko]

(old people are bad. youth is good)

I don't disagree. Actually, I completely agree.

I didn't like the trade. I wanted a pick or prospect. Heck, I still hope we can trade MSL again.

I just don't like people ripping on a guy because of 6 games.

 

[aufheben]

It's not about whether or not MSL comes around, it's a matter of when. Judging him after a few games is obviously silly, but if he doesn't get it together sooner rather than later, it's gonna be very hard to hold on to a playoff spot.

 

[SA16]

You make a ballsy trade and package Kreider or Stepan and start offering it around for a young guy like Girgensons. If they say no, you add. You go around and you keep asking.

You ask for guys like Huberdeau. You ask for guys like Grigorenko. You ask for guys that fall out of favor. You do your due diligence.

But no, instead of doing that, Sather will always take the easy way out. He will throw cash at Richards, Stastny or whoever. He will trade for overpaid, glorified floaters like Nash who only are willing to come here. He'll mortgage the future for geezers like MSL.

Basically, you take a calculated risk. You don't trade for MSL. You instead, try to package Callahan, one of Stepan/Kreider, the 1st and 2nd and maybe another prospect for a young centermen.

You do your best to make a GM not say no to your offer. Whoever it may be. Galchenyuk, Barkov, etc. You try not to take no for an answer. Your only untouchable is Hank and McD.

You grow a pair. Look at San Jose. They did it for Thornton and it has set them up for a decade. Dallas did it too, looking pretty good with Seguin in their slot for the next decade+.

Teams do it. They're forced by great packages. Doesn't hurt to call. Stepan will never be "that" guy.

You say you make a trade but look at that list. 20 players who has ever been traded? Seguin and Thornton. That's it. Thornton trade for financial reason and the Seguin one looking like a huge mistake. Those guys don't get traded.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

It's not about whether or not MSL comes around, it's a matter of when. Judging him after a few games is obviously silly, but if he doesn't get it together sooner rather than later, it's gonna be very hard to hold on to a playoff spot.

Right - it needs happen, like 2 games ago.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Guys, you all know I'm always a Debbie downer, but I just can't take this anymore. I can't take another year wasted, another year of stress and frustration. I'm beginning to question my loyalty to this organization. I'm really tempted to give up my "fan hood" and pick another team to follow; preferably a bad team so I don't front run. I can't do this anymore cheering for this mediocre organization.

Just do what I do. Drop your expectations for the next year or two. Expect to be bad and hope for little things, like Miller to grab a full time spot and hold it down admirably next year and one of Fast/Lindberg to make the jump.

I, personally, can't choose a different team because this is simply the team I cheer for and always has been. But I'm not invested in this current incarnation. I don't expect much from it. Any prolonged winning stretches or playoff success is just a bonus this year. I can't get excited going into a season with guys like Pou and Pyatt expected to play significant roles. I'd hoped for a pick in the 10-20 range, earlier the better, some young guys to step up and find consistency, things like that. Biding my time until a brighter Rangers roster takes shape. Watch the guys I appreciate, like McD and G, look for progress from rookies and hope that slow change rolls in over the next couple of seasons.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

You say you make a trade but look at that list. 20 players who has ever been traded? Seguin and Thornton. That's it. Thornton trade for financial reason and the Seguin one looking like a huge mistake. Those guys don't get traded.

Yeah, but - you make 'em an offer they can't refuse! You grow a pair! You don't let the other GM say no!

 

[aufheben]

You say you make a trade but look at that list. 20 players who has ever been traded? Seguin and Thornton. That's it. Thornton trade for financial reason and the Seguin one looking like a huge mistake. Those guys don't get traded.

Actually, I listed trades for young, high-calibre players last week. I only went back like 3 years, but it happens more than you think. Anyway, the fact that they're hard to come by doesn't change the fact that we need one.

Jordan Staal, Jeff Carter, Cody Hodgson (?), James Neal, Tyler Seguin, Ilya Kovalchuk, Brent Burns, just off the top of my head.