Post-Game Talk: Hoppy St. Pootricks Day Sharks @ Rangers - 3/16/14

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seriously this franchise is cursed, ****ed, etc whatever you want to call it....I thought Lundqvist had a shot of winning a cup here and every year that passes it seems more unlikely....all you young guys will have to wait until your middle aged to see this team win a cup....that's about the average for the rangers...one every 50 years
 
No, they're not remotely close to a cup.

They will NEVER win with these centers as well. That is a fact.

This team is built horribly, as I was adamant about prior to the trade.

They're going nowhere this year even if they miraculously do make it. And now their future is even more up in the air with 2nd this year and no 1st next year. Also, it looks like Callahan will certainly test UFA, so I highly doubt we're getting back a 2nd from TBL.

Sather continues to **** this team. Even if he dies tomorrow, we are still ****ed by the trade for a while. Not to mention the constant disregard for second round picks he has shown over the past few years, Clowe, Antropov, etc. And now his constant disregard for FIRST ROUNDERS!!!!!!

What the ****.

Honestly, I'm one of those people that has become far to emotionally involved with this team. I was to young to remember 94', and have dedicated my life around this team for the past 10 years or so (I've been a fan forever, but since I REALLY understood what it means to be a fan).

I've missed parties, events, career possibilities. ****ed up on tests, missed family get togethers, etc. I'm at my limit and am giving this team another year or two to get it together. Then I might high tail it to california or carolina or something. Get season tickest for the cost of 3 games to the Rangers and live in a place where I"m not ****ed for every dollar I spend.

Exactly which is mind boggling why so many ranger fans including my friends who are in their 30's and 40's like the trade. When will we stop repeating history and trying to find shortcuts. Sather doesn't give a crap about the long term health of this franchise. Anyone who thought msl would make this team a cup contender is demented
 
I don't, however, think this is a good team. Fundamentally. In it's makeup. In it's execution. In it's drive. At all. I don't think this is a playoff caliber team and I don't see the point in being a borderline playoff caliber team if the only positive that come from it is 2-3 home playoff game revenues. I think this team has required serious changes for far too long. It's pointless to discuss because we know they won't come under the current regime.
 
Why do we keep Richards at the point on PPs? He's the slowest ****ing skater in the league. And he's not even magic at the point. He's just passing to the sides. Its dangerous to have a PP with that slow sack of potatoes on the ice.
 
Exactly which is mind boggling why so many ranger fans including my friends who are in their 30's and 40's like the trade. When will we stop repeating history and trying to find shortcuts. Sather doesn't give a crap about the long term health of this franchise. Anyone who thought msl would make this team a cup contender is demented

I'm in my 30s and I don't know any of my friends in the same age group who liked the trade.
 
No, they're not remotely close to a cup.

They will NEVER win with these centers as well. That is a fact.

This team is built horribly, as I was adamant about prior to the trade.

They're going nowhere this year even if they miraculously do make it. And now their future is even more up in the air with 2nd this year and no 1st next year. Also, it looks like Callahan will certainly test UFA, so I highly doubt we're getting back a 2nd from TBL.

Sather continues to **** this team. Even if he dies tomorrow, we are still ****ed by the trade for a while. Not to mention the constant disregard for second round picks he has shown over the past few years, Clowe, Antropov, etc. And now his constant disregard for FIRST ROUNDERS!!!!!!

What the ****.

Honestly, I'm one of those people that has become far to emotionally involved with this team. I was to young to remember 94', and have dedicated my life around this team for the past 10 years or so (I've been a fan forever, but since I REALLY understood what it means to be a fan).

I've missed parties, events, career possibilities. ****ed up on tests, missed family get togethers, etc. I'm at my limit and am giving this team another year or two to get it together. Then I might high tail it to california or carolina or something. Get season tickest for the cost of 3 games to the Rangers and live in a place where I"m not ****ed for every dollar I spend.

I feel exactly the same way.

It is hard to accept the failures of this season's team when you know the future looks either the exact same, or worse.
 
I'm not writing off Marty yet. He absolutely needs to produce but he has only been here a few games.

Rick Nash is another story. I've never soured on a player so quickly. I found myself defending Gaborik a lot last year. I got nothing for Nash.
 
I don't, however, think this is a good team. Fundamentally. In it's makeup. In it's execution. In it's drive. At all. I don't think this is a playoff caliber team and I don't see the point in being a borderline playoff caliber team if the only positive that come from it is 2-3 home playoff game revenues. I think this team has required serious changes for far too long. It's pointless to discuss because we know they won't come under the current regime.

You're right unfortunately things won't change either way. If we miss playoffs sather goes nowhere. We lost our first round pick. Mind as well try to make playoffs and settle for inevitable first or second round exit
 
I posted this elsewhere a few days ago and stand by it:


I wouldn't say it's getting worried over nothing. There are very legitimate reasons for concern. The thing, for me, is that this is what I have expected since November. I'm not as upset as I normally would be and I'm not in the sky is falling, panic mode I probably have been in in years past because I've learned my lessons. This is the NY Rangers we're talking about. I'm not surprised we're in danger of missing the playoffs; I'm surprised how many of you let them fool you again after what they showed us to start this season. So what, Nash got hot and padded his personal stats. Of course Lundqvist's game normalized, earning us wins by default, because that's what happens when Hank is in net. So what, we looked good during the most meaningless stretch of the season? We never addressed any of the problems or issues though. Did everyone think they just magically went away? Or did you actually start to believe that maybe we actually did have enough scoring? Maybe we didn't actually need to fill that offensive hole on the blue line? Maybe the gaping holes in our roster were just lies that jaded fans made up and didn't need to be addressed? Did you really let the biggest, softest, most heartless mercenary of a Ranger I can remember trick you into thinking he was actually a big game player when he ramped his game up just in time for the Olympics, only to promptly disappear again once he had his gold medal around his neck? I mean, does anyone REALLY think this is a competitive roster?

Don't get me wrong, I've watched 90% of the games this season, but I have never once thought "maybe we can actually make a run". I watch the games because I love hockey, and for the time being, I scout the players we've got, assess the things we need to change and the holes we need to fill and I dream about the future. I've never had hope for this season. I just don't see how you could without completely kidding yourself. This team is poorly assembled. We add pieces that do not make sense and there is no semblance of a plan or a destination. I honestly don't even know if I believe Sather cares about winning a Cup; you could easily sell me on the notion that he gets a percentage of playoff revenue in his contract and all he cares about is two guaranteed home games in the post season. It's all but certain that's all Dolan wants.

Let's take the Callahan/St. Louis scenario. I haven't complained about the trade for a couple of reasons. First, I like Marty St. Louis and second, I really, really did not want us to give Callahan the contract that was being discussed. By moving Callahan for MSL we dodged that bullet, but if you had asked me if I had any interest in trading our 1st and 2nd for a 38 year old, win now pick up I'd have had no hesitation in answering "**** no". Add in the fact that we could have dealt Callahan himself for a 1st, a young player or, at least, a 2nd and you're basically choosing a 38 year old who indicates we're in a win now mind state that we CLEARLY shouldn't be in over our 1st, our 2nd and an additional 1st or young player. To me, there is no clearer proof in the world that this organization has no clue what they're doing and no plan at all. We simply can't compete with the top teams in the league. Adding MSL doesn't change that. Now, I would have been furious had they done this but, for arguments sake, had they added MSL and then followed it up with a couple more win now moves to really bolster the roster and try to make a run (which still would have been futile and a waste of assets), at least it would indicate that they have a plan to actually go for it. But they didn't load up to go for it AND they didn't use Callahan to add a pick/young player and try to set up our future. They just added one 38 year old player, who came at a premium we had no business paying, but didn't make the team any more competitive this year, or any better equipped for the future. No plan. No direction. Nothing.

The kind of process that led to the above is the same process that led us to where we are right now. An identity-less, patch work, unlikable, difficult to invest in roster that doesn't have a particular style or strength, doesn't play for one another, doesn't bring a respectable effort and doesn't have a chance at winning, nor a very bright future. Our prospect pool is not good. Our drafting is not great. Our current roster is a mish mosh of no heart players, only some of whom can contribute. Why would you let this team fool you into thinking they were legit at any point during this season? Going in with guys like Pouliot (who has actually surprised me and been much better than he usually is, everywhere else he's been) and Pyatt to start this season, I knew our roster wasn't competitive. The previous 4 or 5 years were as good as it's going to get any time soon for us Rangers fans, I fear. We've been trending downward since our peak in the ECF and I don't see any prospect in the system who can make an impact to change that, any free agent that would actually right this ship, any draft picks that we can use to get help or any plan from management to address any of it. I like MSL just fine - I've always been a fan - but bringing him in at the expense of our 1st and 2nd when we could have turned Cally into additiional young assets just tells me that I shouldn't get my hopes up any time soon. Turning Cally into a late 1st and then packaging our 1st, the other 1st, a player like Brassard and a prospect like Miller to acquire a genuine impact player under 25 (like Seguin) is the only kind of trade we should be making where first rounders are even considered available. Trading Cally, our 1st and a 2nd for a 38 year old tells you everything you ever needed to know. This team is hopeless. Being a Rangers fan is a self inflicted torture and the less you get your hopes up and let them trick you, the less disappointing the experience.
 
I'm not writing off Marty yet. He absolutely needs to produce but he has only been here a few games.

Rick Nash is another story. I've never soured on a player so quickly. I found myself defending Gaborik a lot last year. I got nothing for Nash.

I think I am one of the few who really has nothing bad to say about Gaborik other than the injuries.

Nothing but good memories of watching him play as a Ranger.
 
No, they're not remotely close to a cup.

They will NEVER win with these centers as well. That is a fact.

This team is built horribly, as I was adamant about prior to the trade.

They're going nowhere this year even if they miraculously do make it. And now their future is even more up in the air with 2nd this year and no 1st next year. Also, it looks like Callahan will certainly test UFA, so I highly doubt we're getting back a 2nd from TBL.

Sather continues to **** this team. Even if he dies tomorrow, we are still ****ed by the trade for a while. Not to mention the constant disregard for second round picks he has shown over the past few years, Clowe, Antropov, etc. And now his constant disregard for FIRST ROUNDERS!!!!!!

What the ****.

Honestly, I'm one of those people that has become far to emotionally involved with this team. I was to young to remember 94', and have dedicated my life around this team for the past 10 years or so (I've been a fan forever, but since I REALLY understood what it means to be a fan).

I've missed parties, events, career possibilities. ****ed up on tests, missed family get togethers, etc. I'm at my limit and am giving this team another year or two to get it together. Then I might high tail it to california or carolina or something. Get season tickest for the cost of 3 games to the Rangers and live in a place where I"m not ****ed for every dollar I spend.


as die hard of a fan as you seem you should never allow a team you root for to affect these aspects of your life
 
Exactly which is mind boggling why so many ranger fans including my friends who are in their 30's and 40's like the trade. When will we stop repeating history and trying to find shortcuts. Sather doesn't give a crap about the long term health of this franchise. Anyone who thought msl would make this team a cup contender is demented

We need centers. We need young studs. We have very few. I've seen this play over and over again and again.

Theo Fleury
Wade Redden
Scott Gomez
Brad Richards
Chris Drury
Eric Lindros
Bobby Holik
Messier Part II
John Maclean
Luc Robataille
Jari Kurri
Kevin Stevens
Pavel Bure
Darius Kasparaitus

MSL
Nash

When will this organization get a clue. Buying a team doesn't buy you a ****ing championship. I'm so tired of it. It's exhausting.

I'm sick of watching old ass players come here and **** the bed and collect paychecks. No one cares about us fans moaning and groaning. All they care is about going to Cabo and St. Lucia in the off-season with their ***** or their wives and kids.
 
I found picture of MSL's Ranger career.

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And how to do you propose we get these good centers?
The top ranked centers in points this year and their draft position:
1. Crosby (1st)
2. Getzlaf (19th in super stacked draft)
3. Giroux (22nd)
4. Seguin (2nd)
5. Pavelski (205th)
6. Tavares (1st)
7. Malkin (2nd)
8. Backstrom (4th)
9. Thornton (1st)
10. Benn (129th)
11. Toews (3rd)
12. Duchene (3rd)
13. Krejci (63rd)
14. Kopitar (11th)
15. O'Reilly (33rd)
16. Spezza (2nd)
17. Little (12th)
18. Staal (2nd)
19. MacKinnon (1st)
20. Johansen (4th)

So overall:
Top 5: 12 (6 who were 1 or 2)
First round(not top 5):4
Second round: 2
Late pick: 2

So either you get a real top pick or you get lucky late pretty much. And we're never going to be bad enough to get that top 5 pick.
Stepan has the 10th most points this year among centers not taken in the first round.
 
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I don't, however, think this is a good team. Fundamentally. In it's makeup. In it's execution. In it's drive. At all. I don't think this is a playoff caliber team and I don't see the point in being a borderline playoff caliber team if the only positive that come from it is 2-3 home playoff game revenues. I think this team has required serious changes for far too long. It's pointless to discuss because we know they won't come under the current regime.

It's a fair argument. They haven't shown me much to indicate they can win 4 straight playoff series, that's for sure. But the team is built for the next 3 years so we kind of have to ride the wave and hope for a miracle, the angry lamentations of the others do us no good.
 
Why is it impossible for Nash to have a bounce back year?

He most likely will have a bounce back year. I have no illusions about Nash somehow having turned into some kind of 50 point shell of himself for ever and ever. I just don't like Nash even if he does bounce back. Nash will be a 65-80 point player for several more seasons in his career. He'll still be a heartless, frustrating floater with little spine who pads his stats in blowouts and goes missing from the scoresheet for long stretches and contributes little else, if anything, while carrying a hefty price tag.
 

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