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Post-Game Talk: Hoppy St. Pootricks Day Sharks @ Rangers - 3/16/14

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chosen said:
Why would they want the Rangers to lose? If people in Toronto were to root against any team, it would be Montreal.

The incessant whining against officials here only confirms that too many fans can't accept the simple fact that the personnel of NYR forwards is inferior.

Some fans always look for excuses, when the truth is staring them in the face.
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The fact that we have been screwed by Toronto i think would be indisputable if we had a tape with all the calls they made in our games. You can argue over the "why" but this is what has happened and some of them did not impact the game; today it had an impact.
 
Well...haha... I still see some hysterics here. The trade deadline is past, this is the only team we'll have the next few months.

Pretty sure I just watched Rangers have a decided edge in play versus the No. 3 overall seed - and have a clear goal disallowed, and still only lost a one-goal game. They just didn't finish today.
Could've & Id say shouldve won this game 3-1 rather easily.

So I for one am not panicking.
They're a bit out of sync since the Olympics, and they need to get MSL settled onto a line. But St Louis alone isnt the issue. Nash, Zuc on his off-side where he's far less effective, his bread & butter is curling off the RW, Brassard is ice cold, Step still refusing to shoot.

These things go in cycles. They'll get hot soon and look pretty solid.
 
Todd Harvey said:
Well...haha... I still see some hysterics here. The trade deadline is past, this is the only team we'll have the next few months.

Pretty sure I just watched Rangers have a decided edge in play versus the No. 3 overall seed - and have a clear goal disallowed, and still only lost a one-goal game. They just didn't finish today.
Could've & Id say shouldve won this game 3-1 rather easily.

So I for one am not panicking.
They're a bit out of sync since the Olympics, and they need to get MSL settled onto a line. But St Louis alone isnt the issue. Nash, Zuc on his off-side where he's far less effective, his bread & butter is curling off the RW, Brassard is ice cold, Step still refusing to shoot.

These things go in cycles. They'll get hot soon and look pretty solid.
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Well I hope that: a) this actually happens, and b) that it's not too late when/if it does.
 
aufheben said:
Actually, I listed trades for young, high-calibre players last week. I only went back like 3 years, but it happens more than you think. Anyway, the fact that they're hard to come by doesn't change the fact that we need one.

Jordan Staal, Jeff Carter, Cody Hodgson (?), James Neal, Tyler Seguin, Ilya Kovalchuk, Brent Burns, just off the top of my head.
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Bolded are literally what the Nash trade was
 
aufheben said:
Actually, I listed trades for young, high-calibre players last week. I only went back like 3 years, but it happens more than you think. Anyway, the fact that they're hard to come by doesn't change the fact that we need one.

Jordan Staal, Jeff Carter, Cody Hodgson (?), James Neal, Tyler Seguin, Ilya Kovalchuk, Brent Burns, just off the top of my head.
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How does it happen more than I think? Maybe young players get traded but looking at that list it's clearly not high caliber centers as of that top 20 list the only young high caliber center who was traded was Seguin (Thornton older at the time). So either the players who get traded then are not centers or they are simply not as good. As I mentioned, Stepan is number 10 in points scored by centers not taken in round 1. And Miller is looking great in the AHL. Based on that I'd say we've done a pretty good job of drafting these guys. It's tough if you don't have a top pick. Other than Benn/Pavelski (supposed we should add Datsyuk/Zetterberg since they are only not top 20 due to injury) there are very few top centers that are found late. It can be done of course but it's extremely unlikely. While the num pick has a near 100% success rate some random 5th round pick is much much much lower.
 
aufheben said:
How so? And why does that matter?
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26-28 year old on the market
Those guys aren't available that often. You say we should have traded for one. One of the few times there was one, we did trade for him.

We can't expect to trade for all those guys.


And everyone hates Nash
 
AHB said:
I don't care if MSL puts up 100 points this year. If we don't win a cup, this trade is a fail. It's a massive risk.

I do believe MSL will get his **** together, for the time being. But he's old and will inevitably wear down.

No 40 year old has EVER kept it up for that long. Look at Selanne, sure his numbers are ok, but the guy doesn't even play back to backs anymore. He's 43.

It's just not realistic to ask a player to perform at a 75-100 point level that far into his 40's.

In this salary cap league, it's important to use your picks. You can't have a team built around paid veterans. You need guys like Kreider on an ELC to produce. You need guys like Stepan on an RFA deal to produce.

If we don't buyout Richards, we are so ****ed for the long-term, it's not even funny.

Even if we do, we have aging stars. You're right about the fact that people shouldn't be so quick to judge. But where I think you may be off, is that any long-term Ranger fan saw this type of roster construction nearly two decades ago. It ended in extreme disaster.

Slowly but surely, we are heading down that path again.
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Exactly. Doesnt matter if st louis scores In every game until season is over. This team is not an eastern conf champion or stanley cup champ w him and bottom line is we gave up too much!!
 
SA16 said:
How does it happen more than I think? Maybe young players get traded but looking at that list it's clearly not high caliber centers as of that top 20 list the only young high caliber center who was traded was Seguin (Thornton older at the time). So either the players who get traded then are not centers or they are simply not as good. As I mentioned, Stepan is number 10 in points scored by centers not taken in round 1. And Miller is looking great in the AHL. Based on that I'd say we've done a pretty good job of drafting these guys. It's tough if you don't have a top pick. Other than Benn/Pavelski (supposed we should add Datsyuk/Zetterberg since they are only not top 20 due to injury) there are very few top centers that are found late. It can be done of course but it's extremely unlikely. While the num pick has a near 100% success rate some random 5th round pick is much much much lower.
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Jeff Carter?
 
Kreider said:
26-28 year old on the market
Those guys aren't available that often. You say we should have traded for one. One of the few times there was one, we did trade for him.

We can't expect to trade for all those guys.


And everyone hates Nash
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I still don't see your point. Of course they're not available often. You have to draft them or trade for them, or you could try to fill it through free agency and get guys like Brad Richards.
 
Hey next year we should trade a 2016 1st rounder for Iginla, since we are a win now team.
 
Kreider said:
26-28 year old on the market
Those guys aren't available that often. You say we should have traded for one. One of the few times there was one, we did trade for him.

We can't expect to trade for all those guys.


And everyone hates Nash
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I say boo Nash whenever he has the puck. Maybe that will wake him up.
 
aufheben said:
I still don't see your point. Of course they're not available often. You have to draft them or trade for them, or you could try to fill it through free agency and get guys like Brad Richards.
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My point is, we did get one of those few guys. It's pretty unreasonable to expect to get a second or third, imo
 
aufheben said:
Oh, I see. Well, if anyone has a better idea, I'd love to hear it.
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I do have the same idea :laugh:

trade MSL for a 1st, flip that 1st and then some for Evander Kane, upgrade Pouliot in FA (callahan?)

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Kane - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Callahan?

If we re-sign Stralman, moving Klein is also an option
 
Yeah but the reason this is being brought up is because of our center weakness. Especially with the Beav (hopefully) gone over the summer.
 
aufheben said:
Yeah but the reason this is being brought up is because of our center weakness. Especially with the Beav (hopefully) gone over the summer.
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I don't see any center that would be availiable

You were pointing at Seguin, but he was actually a pretty proven player. Put up 67 point in his second season. Just had a meh year before he got traded
 
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