Post-Game Talk: Hoppy St. Pootricks Day Sharks @ Rangers - 3/16/14

[Paulie Walnutz]

I say boo Nash whenever he has the puck. Maybe that will wake him up.

At this rate he's gonna be booed. He's like a lazy lifeless robot out there. No fire, no drive. Seems content with losing, I wonder why

 

[Ail]

I do have the same idea

trade MSL for a 1st, flip that 1st and then some for Evander Kane, upgrade Pouliot in FA (callahan?)

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Kane - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Callahan?

If we re-sign Stralman, moving Klein is also an option

That's both realistic and likely. Great job Nils.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I do have the same idea

trade MSL for a 1st, flip that 1st and then some for Evander Kane, upgrade Pouliot in FA (callahan?)

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Kane - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Callahan?

If we re-sign Stralman, moving Klein is also an option

You said to trade the 1st and then some for Kane, but you still have Kreider, Stepan, Brassard, Hagelin, Zuccarello and Miller in the lineup. So...what are we trading for Kane? I love Kane, I would love to pry him from Winnipeg, but I don't see it happening.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

At this rate he's gonna be booed. He's like a lazy lifeless robot out there. No fire, no drive. Seems content with losing, I wonder why

Easily the most frustrating player I ever watched, although Kovalev is pretty close.

 

[aufheben]

That's both realistic and likely. Great job Nils.

rofl

I don't know who's avilable, I'm not a GM.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

That's both realistic and likely. Great job Nils.

I'd rather trade Nash to Jets for Kane.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Watching Nash try to dangle lately has been depressing. Yet every time he moves into the zone with speed I get excited like an idiot. And every time the defense closes in on him and he falls down.

Is Nash falling down more than usual? I almost feel bad for the guy. He goes down and doesn't bounce up so quick.

 

[Riverdale]

I'd rather trade Nash to Jets for Kane.

I'd like to see any team willing to trade for Nash.

I doubt we'd get any package worthwhile. He's here to stay

 

[Mr Atoz*]

I honestly just don't get it. I hate Glen Sather. That said, moves to acquire players like Nash, Richards, St. Louis kind of make sense. Why do they continually work out so badly?

If I could figure that out I'd tell you what happened to that Malaysian plane.

 

[Machinehead]

I'd rather trade Nash to Jets for Kane.

What I really wanna do is trade Dorsett for Crosby but thats not happening either.

 

[aufheben]

What I really wanna do is trade Dorsett for Crosby but thats not happening either.

Crosby doesn't have enough sandpaper.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

Is Nash falling down more than usual? I almost feel bad for the guy. He goes down and doesn't bounce up so quick.

I'm a big fan of Nash, but there are just games where he looks worse than an NHLer. We watch him on the 1st line because his name is Rick Nash, but honestly, he's mostly useless and can get knocked off the puck by a 3 year old.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Easily the most frustrating player I ever watched, although Kovalev is pretty close.

I think it could be the concussions, he seems to have really softened his game since the concussions

 

[Thirty One]

I don't know who was available.

I heard a lot of names rumoured but none were a controllable, under 28, top line offensive player.

 

[5 4 Fighting]

As soon as I saw Malkin beat down Nash like a pre schooler and cut his eye like butter, I knew all there is to know about Ricky.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I don't care if Nash is tough - I don't care if he hits or if he fights. I just want him to utilize his talents. Get the puck, drive to the net, shoot the puck. That's all I'm asking for.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I don't care if Nash is tough - I don't care if he hits or if he fights. I just want him to utilize his talents. Get the puck, drive to the net, shoot the puck. That's all I'm asking for.

Toughness isn't all about fighting and hitting. It goes way beyond that. It's about compete, it's about desire, overcoming adversity, doing what it takes to get the job done no matter what. Nash has done none of that. And he's not the only one on this team I'm just singling him out because he's supposed to be the go to guy. It's a rare few that compete every game for this team, combine that with the lack of skill and you get what you currently see.

 

[NYR Viper]

I have mentioned this countless times before, Nash no longer bends his knees like he used to which means he doesn't create the push off he needs. Watch him skate and the. Watch someone like Hossa skate. Both big guys. What's the difference? Nash doesn't bend, he skates like a robot.

This isn't something he used to do in his younger years. What's the issue? Does he have bad knees? Hips? In order to get the proper push with the blades a player has to bend and drive, he does neither which makes him a more stationary player. You see it with the moves he pulls on his one on ones. He backs in because he no linger has the speed. His reach makes him dangerous but that's it.

It's sad, he's not old. Lots of miles on that body though.

 

[NYR Viper]

I heard a lot of names rumoured but none were a controllable, under 28, top line offensive player.

There were rumors Pacioretty was available. He would fit well.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I have mentioned this countless times before, Nash no longer bends his knees like he used to which means he doesn't create the push off he needs. Watch him skate and the. Watch someone like Hossa skate. Both big guys. What's the difference? Nash doesn't bend, he skates like a robot.

This isn't something he used to do in his younger years. What's the issue? Does he have bad knees? Hips? In order to get the proper push with the blades a player has to bend and drive, he does neither which makes him a more stationary player. You see it with the moves he pulls on his one on ones. He backs in because he no linger has the speed. His reach makes him dangerous but that's it.

It's sad, he's not old. Lots of miles on that body though.

I don't know, you could be right. I just don't think he has the drive. I was never a fan of Gaborik, I actually can say I disliked him, despite his goal scoring. But Nash to me is worse - he's a 6'4 225 pound Gaborik, who scores less. He doesn't get dirty - he doesn't play finesse. He pretty much goes out there and glides around for 45 seconds and gets off. Maybe we should put him with St. Louis and see if they both click. I really don't understand it.

There's players with more miles than Nash, that don't deteriorate like this. He never even played playoff games before. He never had those long seasons. I'm just so at a loss - Richards I've given up on, he is what he is. I don't expect more. St. Louis and Nash - I'm utterly disappointed, it's sad as a fan to be so disappointed when you can see there is more to give, and you question the player's compete level (Nash, not Marty).

 

[Thirty One]

There were rumors Pacioretty was available. He would fit well.

Surely would have cost a lot more than St. Louis, and he's not a top-line center or a PP D-man, so I'm not sure how he'd be a better fit.

 

[Unpredictable1]

I really like Nash. Always did.

I'll give him this playoffs if we even make it for him to make another statement like he did around the Olympic announcement - if that doesn't happen, I would like Dubi and Anisimov back.

 

[AHB*]

I don't disagree. Actually, I completely agree.

I didn't like the trade. I wanted a pick or prospect. Heck, I still hope we can trade MSL again.

I just don't like people ripping on a guy because of 6 games.

Ok, I think we're on the same page then. Haha.

Guys, you all know I'm always a Debbie downer, but I just can't take this anymore. I can't take another year wasted, another year of stress and frustration. I'm beginning to question my loyalty to this organization. I'm really tempted to give up my "fan hood" and pick another team to follow; preferably a bad team so I don't front run. I can't do this anymore cheering for this mediocre organization.

Yup. I was born into this Ranger "family" but I am just becoming sickened by it. I love hockey, more then anything on this planet. I love the game. I love watching KHL games, minor league games, random NHL games, Olympics, WJC, etc. But above all, I love my Rangers and it's effecting my love for this game.

I truly have been considering moving on from this team. Not in full, but in my passion. In my scheduling around games. In my refusal to move away from NYC so i can attend games. I literally stayed home for college because if this team won a cup, I knew how much I'd regret it. And, with that ECF run, they actually almost did.

Anyways, I've been thinking about moving now that I have a career moving forward. Maybe down south, maybe the Hurricanes. I'll always love the Rangers and will always follow them. I'll have GCL and remain an avid fan. But I hate feeling sickened and depressed by the constant letdowns of this team.

We had a good thing going a few years ago and we threw it all away. We could have built off that but we didn't. We could have supplemented around that ECF core, but we didn't.

I don't see any center that would be availiable

You were pointing at Seguin, but he was actually a pretty proven player. Put up 67 point in his second season. Just had a meh year before he got traded

I'm not even talking about an established players. We need to take flyers on guys that haven't popped yet. Sure, it's a risk, but we don't have anyone even remotely close to our system that can project to be a real #1. Also, you're just looking at points, there are other players that are significantly better then Stepan, that don't have the points as him this year.

Regardless, I'm talking about guys like Grigorenko and Huberdeau, that might be had in the right deal. Will they be future #1 studs, maybe not, but get one of them in our system. Bite the pill and pay the price. We need to be taking risks like that. There aren't any surefire bets, but the way we've been doing it is a mistake.

All I hear you say is "well, we don't get top 5 picks, so what we've done is pretty good." You know what, pretty good isn't good enough. This teams "plan" if you can call it that, hasn't worked for 20 ****ing years. Round and round we go with mediocre player development and high end free agent signings to fill those major voids we can't internally fix.

Well, I'm suggesting something different. It might hurt to package Stepan or Kreider or Hagelin. Sure. But at least it's a chance. I would literally be calling on EVERY SINGLE CENTER PROSPECT that could develop into a number 1.

Scheifle
Galchenyuk
Barkov
Girgensons
Grigorenko
Huberdeau
Kuznetsov
Strome
Zibanejad
Lindholm
Monahan
Granlund
Etc.

I'm not saying any of these guys is a guaranteed #1. I'm not saying any of them are potentially available for what we could offer.

But start saying Stepan+Hagelin+Prospect+Pick for X prospect. Maybe they'll even take Nash for one of them if we eat some salary.

Maybe, JUST MAYBE we can get a team to listen. Offer anyone as a starting point and add to it, outside of McD or Hank. Literally ANYONE.

Again, not saying we could pry these guys away. But I'm SURE, with our young, decent, talent, we could get some teams listening.

It's possible and it's different. But it's ballsy moves this team never makes.

I would have much preferred to see a move like this, then another, predictable move, for a pushing 40 player, that we will gladly watch deteriorate in front of our eyes, while being dragged into the playoffs, by what may be the 2nd best player in this franchises history.

At this point, I feel so bad for Henrik, more so then us fans. The guy loves New York, for whatever reason and is wasting his career on a team that is just pathetic. A team with no direction. A team grasping at the same straws that it has been grasping at since before we won the cup in 94'.

I will tell you one thing though, at least Hank has many fans who respect him. Because no one respects us fans. Not Sather, not management and sure as **** not Dolan.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't know, you could be right. I just don't think he has the drive. I was never a fan of Gaborik, I actually can say I disliked him, despite his goal scoring. But Nash to me is worse - he's a 6'4 225 pound Gaborik, who scores less. He doesn't get dirty - he doesn't play finesse. He pretty much goes out there and glides around for 45 seconds and gets off. Maybe we should put him with St. Louis and see if they both click. I really don't understand it.

There's players with more miles than Nash, that don't deteriorate like this. He never even played playoff games before. He never had those long seasons. I'm just so at a loss - Richards I've given up on, he is what he is. I don't expect more. St. Louis and Nash - I'm utterly disappointed, it's sad as a fan to be so disappointed when you can see there is more to give, and you question the player's compete level (Nash, not Marty).

Nash has played a lot of NHL hockey against the best defenders in the league. He plays a power forward game as well. He's played almost every year for Canada after the season was over. He has played lots of hockey.

I don't think it's laziness.

 

[NYR Viper]

Surely would have cost a lot more than St. Louis, and he's not a top-line center or a PP D-man, so I'm not sure how he'd be a better fit.

I don't think he'd be a better fit at all, I was just throwing out another name.