Post-Game Talk: Hoppy St. Pootricks Day Sharks @ Rangers - 3/16/14

[AHB*]

Saying "it's been 6 months already" is ridiculous IMO. We don't know much about concussions as a society, other than that it is a serious brain injury that can lead to dementia, Parkinson's etc. My dad is in his early 50's and he's had at minimum 6 concussions. He went to the store the other day and when he got there he forgot why he was there.

But I'm not making excuses - if this is mentally affecting him, making him gun shy, or if he is not fully healthy, then he needs not to be playing. It's that simple. So to me, he needs to sit and get his head straight or pick up his intensity.

So you get mad that I say one thing, then all but agree...ok bud.

Look, I know concussions are serious. But I'm not about to sit here and watch a slug who we pay more then anyone glide around the ice because he's either

A) Scared of getting another
or
B) Still not fully recovered from the first two.

I feel bad for him. It sucks, but it comes with the territory. He's also making 8 million dollars a year. While i certainly hope he remains in his best health for the rest of his life, he's being highly compensated and provided with the best medical care for the risk he is taking.

Regardless, that's besides the point. This comes down to on-ice play. He looks like ****. And has for the majority of the year, outside of a 12 game stretch which inflated his stats. If that's due to concussions, so be it. But how long should we wait, it's been 6 months since he's been cleared.

Do we wait a year? Two years? Then what.... we still have a compliance we can use on his albatross. Or maybe, god willing, someone will trade us something of value for him.

The longer we wait, the less chance we have of that happening.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Meh I still give Nash a break...but MSL...I mean c'mon you were scoring goals left and right then you get traded and BAM! Pyatt

 

[AHB*]

Meh I still give Nash a break...but MSL...I mean c'mon you were scoring goals left and right then you get traded and BAM! Pyatt

I gave Nash a break for most of this season, due to his great play during the regular season last year.

But we are almost done with the season, and that dominant force he was last year is completely missing.

MSL we should have never traded for. But i still have faith he'll get his **** together.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I gave Nash a break for most of this season, due to his great play during the regular season last year.

But we are almost done with the season, and that dominant force he was last year is completely missing.

MSL we should have never traded for. But i still have faith he'll get his **** together.

Or we're cursed

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Buying out Nash instead of Richards wouldn't really phase me much. It kills me to say that, and maybe I'm not being patient enough with Nash, but sometimes I feel like he's more replaceable than Richards. I'm sure I'll catch **** for saying that, but right now that's how I feel.

I was actually talking about buying out both and eating one of the buyout penalties. But that's probably my irrational anger talking.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

if there wasn't a cap we wouldn't be complaining about this

 

[Todd Harvey]

Seriously. What the hell happened

One thing that happened is Nash took a kevlar-clad elbow right on the button from Brad Stuart, who was going about 30 mph. He's lucky he's even in the lineup.

Another thing that happened is the Olympics, which I think has caused a lot of players and teams to lose their mojo.

I mean, seriously, people are trading Rick Nash already? The guy's had one-half season and this disjointed one.

I didnt see many complaining when he scored in something like 11 or 12 games straight pre-Sochi.
The hysterics here are a bit much.
Is the guy playing like a bull in a china shop? Certainly not.
But if you look around the league at many of the top players, I think you'll find - for whatever reason - these prolonged scoring slumps have become more prevalent. Even Crosby went something like 10 games without a point, and I couldnt believe it when I read that one. I cant even begin to explain it, except teams are keying on the guys who can hurt them.

But, I may be in the minority here; if Nash has shortened up his game in the hopes of arriving at the playoffs healthy so he can then let loose, I'm on board with it 100%.

This was very dangerous injury for him, his career really hanging in the balance. The NYR made a huge investment in him, and for the most part he's carried his weight. It's frustrating to watch I know, but the big picture here is.... well..... big.

If he's healthy and going in the playoffs, Rangers have a chance.
And spare me how they wont make the playoffs if this keeps up. This team is making the playoffs.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

if there wasn't a cap we wouldn't be complaining about this

If there wasn't a cap we'd have Paul Stastny centering Thomas Vanek on our first line next season.

 

[Riverdale]

Meh I still give Nash a break...but MSL...I mean c'mon you were scoring goals left and right then you get traded and BAM! Pyatt

Why give Nash a break though?

MSL, I can somewhat understand an adjustment period. Nash doesn't have a good excuse. He is simply playing LAZY

 

[Unpredictable1]

Why give Nash a break though?

MSL, I can somewhat understand an adjustment period. Nash doesn't have a good excuse. He is simply playing LAZY

I'm not about making excuses, and I think he needs to man up, but he's way more tentative since getting tagged in the head twice in the last 2 season. First Lucic, then Stuart.

Stuarts' head shot was ridiculous and he didn't serve enough time. Still mad.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I'm not about making excuses, and I think he needs to man up, but he's way more tentative since getting tagged in the head twice in the last 2 season. First Lucic, then Stuart.

Stuarts' head shot was ridiculous and he didn't serve enough time. Still mad.

I'm pretty sure he's hurt pretty bad now...hockey gods got em

 

[Todd Harvey]

I've heard players that've suffered concussions say their anticipation takes a hit. Now, if you're not getting to where you'd normally be, it can throw your whole game off. And the result can be a player looking lost, which Nash appears to be some nights.

Even the experts who study this stuff every day aren't sure, as its case-by-case basis. The one thing everyone seems to agree on is it takes time.

That's why it gets me crazy when I see people inferring a guy isnt trying. Really unfair to the player.

 

[RothmanHockey]

NEW YORK – A dispute involving logic and physics was all that kept the Rangers (36-29-4) from at least one crucial point – and perhaps two -- in their frantic playoff push Sunday afternoon at Madison Square Garden.

Late in the second period, with the Rangers trailing the Sharks 1-0, Carl Hagelin tried a wraparound on stalwart Sharks goaltender Antti Niemi (41 saves). He appeared to stop the puck, and referee Dennis LaRue waived no goal. The NHL’s war room in Toronto quickly called down to LaRue and referee Dan O’Halloran to take another look.

“I just saw his pad was pretty deep in the net, Pouliot saw the puck from above, and he saw the puck was in,” Hagelin said. “I just saw the video review – it’s pretty obvious that it was in.”

http://insidehockey.com/rangers-lose-review-game-to-sharks

 

[Wolfy*]

When our goalie is voted the best player in almost every game, you know we got a problem. He doesn't score goals...

 

[Callagraves]

When our goalie is voted the best player in almost every game, you know we got a problem. He doesn't score goals...

Seriously, **** that guy. He only has like, what, 3 points on the season?

Lazy bum.

 

[Zuuuuc]

GA - Montreal. Kicked in, was ruled a goal
GF - Against Philly - rebound off of Millers skate, called a kick, lost 2-1
GA - Toronto. Talbot had it under his pads for so long that Clarkson gave up, then Kadri comes in and takes 5 whacks at it and finally dislodges it and it goes in. Goal counts.
GF - Against Carolina - Zucc storms the net, gets tripped and puck slides in, ref said he was planning on blowing the whistle
GF - Against Philly - Pouliot redirects it and they called it back for high stick.
GF - Against Tampa - Moore kicked it, the right call
GF - Against SJ - Puck was pulled out of the net, logically it had to have been in the net.

Just off the top of my head...6 calls that were negative outcomes to the Rangers, only one of them was clearly the right call, even that there was grey area as Moore never kicked it into the net. He kicked it towards the net and the puck hit the goalies pad before going in lol

 

[jacko23]

i can't stand when the refs review a call. i pretty much always expect it to be our goal disallowed, or the other teams goal allowed. never fails.

 

[Zucc36]

Terrible game to watch.
Unnaccaptable mistake by Zucc that costs the game.
Unacceptable by the Refs not too see Hag´s goal.
Unacceptable by Toronto to close their eyes.
Unaccaptable by the whole team not to be able to score a ****ing goal!

 

[Rangers ftw]

At this point, I rather buy out Nash than Richards, at least Richards contribute in some aspects of the game.

Kreider was good last game, back to stealth mode this game...Zuccarello&Brass&MSL is not good together, swap Zucc with Nash.

POG is 4th line, Carcillo>>>>>>Dorsett. Moore is a real good 4C, gotten better second half of season. That line was our best.

Hagelin/Richards/Pouliat was ok, good chemistry in that line, solid game by them.

 

[Leonardo87]

Don't know why people are complaining about that Hag goal. The refs and Toronto made the right call. There was no evidence it went in from their angles, they have to see it cross the red line. Also, ref had the intention to blow the whistle so the play was dead, very hard to overturn that without evidence.

 

[Ail]

Don't know why people are complaining about that Hag goal. The refs and Toronto made the right call. There was no evidence it went in from their angles, they have to see it cross the red line. Also, ref had the intention to blow the whistle so the play was dead, very hard to overturn that without evidence.

Intent to blow is non-reviewable.

 

[Leonardo87]

Intent to blow is non-reviewable.

My point was there was no goal called on the ice, so it would of been tough to overturn it without seeing the puck actually cross the line.

 

[Ola]

Hehe, I was fully prepared to see Kreider lead the POG voting (he had a hit) and was pissed about it before voting, nice to see him get zero votes. He stunk and killed our PP twice (one with maybe the stupidest play of the season). I mean, we all like this kids future, but when he sucks this much he should be called out for it.

Pouliot, Hags and McD played well last night.

Its important to point out that Poo was one of our better players. Because he was. Hence it seems likely that Slats will dump him in the off-season and try to replace him with a bigger name...

A lot of people crap on Nash. Who was better last night, Nash or MSL? I think Nash was more valuble for us. He occupied SJs Ds a couple of times and pushed them back. Just for the record, neither Nash nor MSL had good games. Thats not my point. But I think Nash was a bit better than MSL.

What can we learn from this? Nash is the worst player in the league according to many. MSL still don't get the attention from a certain group of players, but he will soon be called the worst player in the NHL ever for sure by a certain crowd.

Makes me think that some should reconsider what they expect and think a "star" is in this league, what hockey is a about etc. But what do I know. I think this is the bggest problem with NYR. From a big portion of its fans, the guys around it, all the way up to the front office...

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I still cant understand, with todays technology how the goal calls are still subjective.

In Tennis, they can tell if a round ball going 110+ mph lands in, on or out of a 50 mm line. In the Olympics there is technology that tells us if competitors win or lose by less then a 10th of a second. In the NFL they can overlay digital down markers to the inch on the playing field. But Hockey has to have a "War room" where the "Experts" have to be paid to make the decisions.

A simple solution for goal line judgement calls: A chip is installed in every NHL puck that digitally signifies the circumference and shape of the puck, and a similar digital "strip" is laid down inside the ice underneath the goal line. Then you can watch on a display if the puck crosses the line completely or not. Even the stupid goal judge behind the net is eliminated because the light would go on automatically. This is 2014 right? Why is something that important to the game left to subjectivity?

No doubt the Rangers should have buried some other chances throughout the night, but theyve been burned - what - 4 or 5 times this season with bad review calls? How many points is that? And Detroit scores a goal that comes off the netting. Inexcusable if that last playoff spot comes down to that.

 

[Doctyl]

At this point, I rather buy out Nash than Richards, at least Richards contribute in some aspects of the game

Nash kills penalties and is our leading goal scorer, but yea you're right he doesn't contribute anything near what Richards does